Wow, "Steve Hyndman",
isn't that true, then, that all we (you included) should fully understand your interested position too (not being able to make money with Moodle by failing to fulfil
one simple rule). Perhaps are you confirming that your interested (monetarily interested) position also invalidates all your thoughts? Nah!
"Steve Hyndman", are you trying to circumvent, dodge, confuse, distortion once more with your stories.... I think so
Once again, you are trying to make your affirmation valid by mixing concepts "Steve Hyndman" on purpose.
Once more, I'll paste here one simple link (I'm infinitely patient, Tim, including all sort of "Steve Hyndman"):
http://docs.moodle.org/en/License
"The Moodle software package is ..... and all of it is provided under the terms of the GPL"
This means and grants, simply (if you read the GPL), that EVERYBODY can use and benefit from the Moodle software package, just as much as the person who had the idea to build it.
Are you able to "distort" that paragraph in any way too? I think it's really simple to understand it's 100% true. Are you saying that the GPL in un-ethical?
Well, that simply throws away your metaphor (a pathetic "Steven Hyndman" to mix terms).
Moodle software is free GPL to use/modify/sell or whatever you want (following GPL rules of course). So, where is the problem? IMO, the problem is that you want to get a COMMERCIAL benefit by using the Moodle software (no problem until here
AFAIK) together with the Moodle name to promote it.
And that's the key concept, the Moodle name. It's a trademark, existing because Moodle (the software) needs some funding in order to continuously be improved while keeping its GPL software spirit (by paying persons like Martin or Nicolas to do the best, everyday, all the time).
I suppose that you, an experienced business "Steven Hyndman" man will know that money doesn't grow in the trees and that, everything has a cost. Well, that's true, for everybody, including yourself.
Else, the life will be really complex, with 99% of a cool Community sharing their efforts about to build one useful piece of software, while others, (1% if I've calculated it correctly) will be making money, all for them, taking advantage of the work and the well-know and well-considered name of the software. Sounds unfair, isn't it?
So, IMO, the Moodle trademark acts, at least, at two levels. First, helping Moodle software funding by fulfilling it (like Partners and/or people that have requested Martin permissions). Second, by preventing people that don't want to fulfil nor request to get an advantage by using one name that is a symbol, not only for the owner of the trademark but for the whole Community.
And you say that such trademark is un-ethical? Uhm... excuse me, just to clarify concepts.. is "un" a synonym of "very"?
Wow, I think it must be something in your name, "Steven Hyndman", that forces me to write long posts once and again since some days ago. I really hope it'll be a occasional virus and will disappear soon.
So, summarising, once more your phrases are another try to distort the reality, "Steven Hyndman", trying to confuse people about some basic and different concepts, Moodle the software (the one that you named in your incorrect methapor, that is used and benefiting to all the Community) and Moodle, the name, that is also used and beneffiting to all the Community (all users, institutions and partners) but you.
So, who is wrong?
And finally, speaking purely in economic terms and not having read too much about that... why are you against to pay royalties for your commercial activity with Moodle?
Out there, in the business world, isn't everything based on percentages of benefits, royalties and commissions. If you are a commercial, why are you trying to make your use of Moodle an exception? If another product you commerce (buy and/or sell) with requires you to pay a % of your incomes, if the product is a commercial one, would you say the same? Really? Nah!
Is the difference for you that Moodle, the software, is GPL to try to avoid such payment? I really hope your answer for this won't be: "Yes, that's the cause", because it would be the final demonstration that you haven't understood one word about the difference between the software and the name.
Uhm... "Steven Hyndman" in the other side, all the rest of answers I can imagine, make me thing about you like a avaricious commercial, trying to get the 100%, skipping some commercial responsibilities that are absolutely common in your world (the business one). Is that ethic?
There are, IMO, two different groups of moodlers:
- Moodlers whose relation with Moodle isn't money-related (poor developers, translators, documenters, helpful people, teachers, students, theorists, evangelists ... all them helping the rest and giving a great added value to the Community continuously ).
- Moodlers whose relation with Moodle is money-related (hired people, some developers and collaborators, partners... all them giving money or work to the Community continuously).
And that's all. That's the strong schema that allows Moodle to be and continue being so cool. Nothing else. So, in what group do you want to sit down? No more groups allowed, sorry.
The trick here, to belong to any group is simple, just "give something to the Community", money or work if you want to be a money-related moodler. Simple rule, perfectly legal, of course, and tremendous ethic, both for the rest of money-related and no-money-related Moodlers (i.e. the whole Community), all them giving something continuosly to the rest. Simple
Waiting to hear your next "Steven Hyndman" unconnected