How can teacher deal with student submitted file & then, remove submission

How can teacher deal with student submitted file & then, remove submission

par Hui Veron,
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Hi!

I have students making tricks to submit file(s) & then, remove submission. Then, the assignment will show as the picture. How can we avoid this kind of tricks from students? Please advise. (Please note that the use of "Submission settings --> Require students to click the submit button --> Yes" is quite complicated for students. Is there any simple method to avoid this happening?)

Thank you very much! Submitted for grading, but NO files

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Re: How can teacher deal with student submitted file & then, remove submission

par Brett Dalton,
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under the edit column you can lock the submission, this will prevent students modifying or removing the submission
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Re: How can teacher deal with student submitted file & then, remove submission

par Hui Veron,
Well noted with thanks. But, the students did removing the submission before the deadline (due date or cut-off date). Their intention is to give teacher an impression that they submitted their homework or test, but the file(s) is/are missing. It is very time consuming to ask IT department to trace back the timing records of the students when the students play this kind of tricks.

Thank you very much!
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Re: How can teacher deal with student submitted file & then, remove submission

par Brett Dalton,
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We are currently doing some improvements on the assigment activity, reassessing the functionality of students deleting submissions will be considered as part of that. I really find it hard to see a legitimate use case where it is required.
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Re: How can teacher deal with student submitted file & then, remove submission

par Hui Veron,
Well noted with thanks.
My suggestion #1 is to delete "remove submission" button for assignment if possible. However, this button can be kept for the Submission settings with "Require students to click the submit button --> Yes". It is because with the default setting as "No" here, students can remove submission & Moodle allows NO files with "submitted for grading". If this setting is "Yes", student CANNOT remove submission without replacing file. However, with "NO", students can submit many times before the due or cut-off date. With "Yes", once students confirm the submission, they CANNOT submit anymore even the due or cut-off date is not finished yet.
 
#2 is that Remove button can be kept in this default Submission setting. However, just like the case of "Yes", student CANNOT remove submission files without anything.
 
#3 is that Remove button can be kept in this default Submission setting. However, if student removed submission, the submission status changed to "removed submission without anything" or simply "removed submission". This can make both teachers & students understand that the files had been removed by the students.
 
 
Thank you very much!
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Re: How can teacher deal with student submitted file & then, remove submission

par Ken Task,
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Consider looking into this ...

Duplicate the student role to a 'badstudent' role.   Go through 'badstudent' role for anything related to assignment submission ... look for something that allows submission just one time ... cannot change.

Setup a test course, enroll a test teacher and a test student whose role is really 'badstudent'.

Setup one dummy assignment ... nothing fancy.

Logout ... login as the test student (not loginas ... actually login) ... go to the test course and try the bad behavior.

Fingers crossed!

If that works ... in the course where this student is playing tricks, change that students role to your custom 'badstudent'.    Don't tell them you've done that ... say nothing to them.   If they email teacher, ask the teacher to ignore ... DO NOT REPLY ... kinda like 'positive-negative behavior modification'. :|

'SoS', Ken

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Re: How can teacher deal with student submitted file & then, remove submission

par Hui Veron,
Well noted with many thanks for your good suggestions. Thank you very much!
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Re: How can teacher deal with student submitted file & then, remove submission

par Tim Hunt,
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Do you need to ask your IT department for help with this? You can probably see what happened for yourself if you look in the logs for this Assignment.

And, I would have thought being graded 0 for doing this a few times would soon help these students learn what the right thing to do is.
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Re: How can teacher deal with student submitted file & then, remove submission

par Hui Veron,
Yes, I had asked IT department for help. But, it will take quite some time to trace the logs.

Yes, you are very right. But, I would like to have preventive action (if any) rather than deterrent method.

Thank you very much for your advices.
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Re: How can teacher deal with student submitted file & then, remove submission

par Justin Ible,
A preventative is nice or submission history could work.

Logs are usefully, but they don't always give enough information to know what changes were made.
 
You can filter logs by activity and student. 
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