Hi all,
Just some general questions/thoughts about the workshop module.
I understand that it can do a number of things, including peer-assessment, self-assessment, rubric assessment, often in combination with each other.
One application we are hoping to use it for is straight rubric marking, without necessarily involving student assessment. However, when I try to simulate this situation, there seems to be a few screens that are expecting the peer assessment to have been turned on (even though I had it unticked).
For instance, there is the 'Override mark' screen, which is really meant to be the teacher overriding the student-assessed mark. However, this shouldn't be visible, as the teacher would only be overriding their own mark in my situation!
Also, if I change the assessment split from 80/20 to 100/0, then go through the motions of assessment as a teacher, the grade doesn't seem to flow through to the gradebook - only zeros are given.
So, I guess I'm just wondering if I'm misunderstanding something. Is the workshop module flexible enough to NOT utilise the peer/self assessment component and still work? I fully understand the benefits of having the peer assessment component (I'm not saying it is not worth using), I'm just wondering about using the workshop to allow rubric marking - as there doesn't appear to be anything else in Moodle that allows this without implementing something like Lightwork.
I hope I've made some sense!
Regards,
Michael
I'll move this to the Workshop forum for David to respond.
Hi Michael,
your request makes perfect sense and using Workshop 2.0 in such situation was one of the use cases I had when designing it. The checkbox "Use peer-assessment" is available as a fresh new feature but it is not taken into account too much yet. I mean - user interface does not depend on it (yet) so some irrelevant features (like the overriding you mentioned or the columns in the workshop grades report) are still visible. The plan is that Workshop without peer-assessment feature would behave similarly to the Assignment module while still offering the advanced grading methods like rubrics. The development was focused on mainstream usage of Workshop though so this will not happen in 2.0, sorry.
But, I am pretty sure you can use Workshop in 2.0 for your situation: * Just set the maximum grade for assessment to zero * Set the course gradebook so that it ignores and hides workshop grade for assessment item from your students completely * Skip submission allocation - you as the teacher can assess all submissions by default and they are allocated to you automatically once you press the "Assess" button, without the need to use allocator. * Do not fill instructions for assessments so they are not displayed to your students
The reason why I want to wait for wider feedback from the community before I start hiding various bits of UI is that your situation is just one of use cases we must count with. Imagine for example there are hundreds of submissions in the workshop and you have some assistants (non-editing teachers, mentors etc) that help you with assessing. In this case it is not clean peer assessment as normal students just submit their work (authors) while the other group of users (reviewers) assess them. The master teacher could want to calculate grades for assessments for the assistants to see how relevant their assessment is. In this case, you still want to see peer-assessment features (for example the master teacher wants to override the grade given by their assistants) even if students do not go through peer-assessment phase.
Sure, you will not probably give feedback to yourself at the bottom of the assessment form. But you may want to use the field for your own notes maybe? And maybe you can run into situation when you do not agree with the grade calculated by the rubric and will want to modify it a bit - for example because the assessed student has some disabilities you as the human can respect while the blindly objective rubric can not.
Summary: workshop should be flexible enough for your need if you can live with the fact you may be offered some options you do not want to use at the given scenario.
Hope this explains the reasons a bit - looking forward for your comments and thoughts!
I just created MDL-23557 to track this issue.
why do not I increase workshop in moodle1.9? I cannot find this module?How to use it?
I'm not very sure but I think that Workshop module is distributed but "HIDE" in 1.9 version (the version used in 1.9 was developed several years ago and was unsupported the last years -it functions well but has several little bugs-.... a new team are developing the new workshop module for 2.0). You can show it to use in:
- Administration
- / ► Modules
- / ► Activities
- / ► Manage activities