Joseph Rézeau

Hi all,

Further to this discussion in the Lesson forum: "Prerequisite Lesson vs Conditional activities", I would like to share my view of the "Require view" condition in the "Activity completion settings" for some activities.

For resources such as Book, Page or activities such as Forum, Glossary, etc. it can make sense that simply "viewing" the resource or activity can count for completion. On the other hand, for any activity that requires the student to answer questions, e.g. Quiz, Lesson, Survey, Questionnaire, etc. simply viewing the activity without participating can not, in my opinion, count for completion.

Those activities can only be considered "completed" when they have been submitted.

Therefore I suggest removing the case FEATURE_COMPLETION_TRACKS_VIEWS:   return true; from the mod_supports($feature) function for those activities (Quiz, Lesson, etc.) as I have done for my own case from the Questionnaire plugin.

Actually, to push things a little further, it does not make much sense either for those activities to offer the choice for students to mark them manually as completed. And that option could/should be removed from the settings as well.

Joseph

I am opening this new discussion further to the problem described in this discussion: Moving on to next section.

1.- As far as I know, the Lesson activity was the first Moodle activity to have a "prerequisite" feature. See Lesson_settings#Prerequisite_lesson. This features makes access to a Lesson B dependent on another lesson (e.g.) Lesson A, according to 3 criteria:

a. Time spent (in Lesson A) : number of minutes
b. Lesson A completed
c. Minimum Grade obtained in Lesson A (in %).

2.- Starting with Moodle 2, the Conditional activities feature was introduced along with the Activity completion feature. This dual way of making access to a Lesson instance dependant upon completion etc. of another instance makes things unnecessarily complicated and leads to confusion. Therefore I would like to create an issue in the Moodle Tracker to ask for the removal of the Prerequisite feature from the Lesson activity.

3.- However, there is one criteria in the Lesson Prerequisite feature that is not currently available in the Conditional activities feature: time spent on the previous activity (lesson). Is this criteria actually used by Lesson users (teachers)? If so, and if people think it is worth retaining, I see 2 possibilities:

a. Rework the Lesson Prerequisite to contain only the Time spent feature.
b. Add a Time spent in activity conditional access criteria to the existing Conditional activities feature, in a future Moodle version (2.8 or higher).

What to Lesson users think? I'd be especially interested to know if anyone is actually using the Prerequisite "Time spent" feature, and whether they think it is important to them.

Joseph

A Beta 2.7 version of Questionnaire, compliant with the new loggin/report/event system in Moodle 2.7 is available for testing from our github at https://github.com/remotelearner/moodle-mod_questionnaire/tree/MOODLE_27_STABLE.

Please download and test on your test sites and report any problems in this discussion.

Thanks in advance,

Joseph

EDIT.- Please test the new loggin/report system. Log in as teacher. Create a questionnaire. Add questions. Delete some. Log in as student. Answer the questionnaire. View the reports. etc.

Go to your Course Admin block ► Reports ► Logs.

Use combinations of the various options from the All actions and Educational level dropdown lists and check that the loggin information that is displayed is correct. Please note that the Description column displays more information, only in English at the moment and in a "debug" form.

Here is an example (Howard Gardner is a teacher, John Doe a student).

A Beta 2.7 version of Questionnaire, compliant with the new loggin/report/event system in Moodle 2.7 is available for testing from our github at https://github.com/remotelearner/moodle-mod_questionnaire/tree/MOODLE_27_STABLE.

Please download and test on your test sites and report any problems in this discussion.

Merci d'avance !

Joseph

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