Dealing with problems

Dealing with problems

by Joe Griffin -
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I have had some problems with 1.7.1 and I have been looking for solutions on Moodle.org. I have even submitted some posts to try and get some help. But queries sometimes don't get answered. And sometimes a user doesn't even know if the problem is because they are a newbie, have missed something vital at installation or if there is a bug that needs reporting. And there are gaps in the documentation and faqs.

For example, on the first page of this forum there are about 40 threads and 13 have no replies (will this be number 14 thoughtful), thats about 30%. And I've come across some other cries for help, some marked urgent, with no replies and I wonder what happened to the teacher who was trying to use Moodle in a class and it just wasn't working for them.

Now before everybody starts shouting about this being open source and lots of volunteering, which I fully appreciate, I just wonder if there needs to be some way of resolving this issue. (Perhaps this isn't even the place to raise this issue?)

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Re: Dealing with problems

by Garland Green -
I hear ya bro. Take a look at tracker.moodle.org. This is where all the "real" stuff gets looked at. If there is a bug that is inherent with the code, most folks will look at it. As for as your knowledge level on something and the help from others, it is really comes down to digging into an issue and contributing. In fact, your digging into something, posting a fix may be just what the community is looking for.

Take a look at: tracker.moodle.org. Could be help there for ya'.
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Garland Green -
I also failed to point out moodle.com. That is where you can get your immediate support you want if you would like the ClosedSource support model. Good luck.

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Re: Dealing with problems

by Joe Griffin -
Garland

Thanks for the replies. I have used tracker before but here's the rub. If there is some problem that's because of the way I have installed, set up or am using Moodle, then it mightn't be in tracker. And I still maybe won't get a reply. So I'm just wondering if there is some way of keeping an eye on queries posted here that have had no reply to see if the originator needs a bit of guidance. Even if the reply only says, "Hey you gotta pay for that level of support"

Anyway just off to tracker again to see if I can find any answers to my latest problems smile

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Re: Dealing with problems

by Anthony Borrow -
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Folks who feel that they need paid support can contact a Moodle partner or Moodle.com. The rest of us try to band together and do the best we can. Personally, I find the forums very active and supportive. Peace.
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Deleted user -
Yes, everybody is great, and I really appreciate your responses. Thanks to all!!!
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Joe Griffin -
Anthony and Jeff

I too find Moodle forums very helpful and supportive but sometimes there IS just a silence when somebody asks for help. I am not being critical and I think you might be being a little bit defensive here. There are many brilliant people, supporters and helpers here but there are also some desperate Moodlers out there needing a response to their particular problem. Just look at some of the posts on various forums where there have been no replies. Some of the posters are quite desperate and are just trying to use Moodle with their students. If Moodle doesn't work it is the students who eventually suffer the most.

So I thoroughly agree that Moodle is a brilliant LMS (been using it for 5 years now) and I also totally agree that there are some brilliant people here helping Moodlers with problems. But can we not agree that there is room for making things better thoughtful




Joe
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Michael Penney -
Just look at some of the posts on various forums where there have been no replies. Some of the posters are quite desperate and are just trying to use Moodle with their students. If Moodle doesn't work it is the students who eventually suffer the most.

I see these on Blackboard forums alsosmile. With Blackboard you pay a good deal of money to support yourself, while with Moodle you can support yourself, for freesmile.

However, the points about asking partners are good ones, if teachers are teaching students, presumably someone is paying something for that service, and I think it does follow that someone (and of course it may not be the teacher) should budget some support for helping teachers in their school (who have after all found an inexpensive and powerful system to use) use the system.

Hmm, perhaps there could be a Moodle Helpdesk account somewhere, into which folks could put donations to be used for paying official Moodle support staff answer questions in the forums?

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Re: Dealing with problems

by Joe Griffin -
Michael

I fear this thread could descend into a polarised discussion, something I was at pains to avoid even in my original post.

I acccept that the same situation exists on Blackboard, but Moodle has already prided itself in being better than Blackboard. In fact one reason I switched from BB to Moodle was because of the way queries were answered on the Moodle forums.

As to teachers, well some of us are doing this without funding, sometimes to demonstrate to our employers that Moodle is a perfect solution. I don't get an funding for using Moodle, it is all supported by me and a friendly technician, who also doesn't get funding for this work. And at the same time I don't want to disadvantage my students. Now I may be unique in this situation but I suspect not.

So, I just wonder if there are any workable solutions. So that effort of all of these volunteers is focussed to help those who need most help? I don't have a solution, I just think that amongst all of those who contribute to the development of this LMS there might be some who might contribute to the development of an equally good help system, if only to point newbies in the right direction when they have a query, not necessarily even to answer the query. It can be overwhelming when you first try and find information on this site, there is such an enormous volume of stuff.

Joe

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Re: Dealing with problems

by Gordon Bateson -
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> And there are gaps in the documentation and faqs

Please be more specific. What exactly do you feel is missing? Are you aware that as a member of the Moodle community YOU can add information to a page on docs.moodle.org by clicking the "edit" tab?

> I just wonder if there needs to be some way of resolving this issue

I'm afraid I didn't quite understand clearly the "issue" you are talking about. Is it that "some queries don't get answered", or more particularly that you "have been looking for solutions on Moodle.org" but cannot find, or get, an answer?

I will go and look at some of the posts you have made and see if I can answer them.

regards
Gordon

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Re: Dealing with problems

by Joe Griffin -
Gordon

thanks for replying but please be aware that I am just trying to raise an issue that I have noticed to see if there is a solution. It is certainly not a criticism of Moodle or the Open source approach which I am a big supporter of. Anyway I'll try and answer your specific questions.

Please be more specific. What exactly do you feel is missing? Are you aware that as a member of the Moodle community YOU can add information to a page on docs.moodle.org by clicking the "edit" tab?

The problem for new users is not knowing if they have a bug or if they are doing something wrong. And some users certainly don't seem to know how to resolve an issue so cannot add to the docs. So today I went looking for a solution to a problem with statistics. The docs has only a stub article and there is nothing I can add because I just don't know enough about this feature. But I'm getting an error message and I don't know why.

I'm afraid I didn't quite understand clearly the "issue" you are talking about. Is it that "some queries don't get answered",

Yes this is the issue. I'm just trying to get a conversation going on a possible problem that I think I spotted. That is the number of queries from users, usually new users, that just get no reply at all (it was when I was looking for some answers that I noticed this). I'm just wondering if there was some way of addressing this problem.

Joe
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Gordon Bateson -
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Hi Joe,
thanks for clarifying.

I read your post about statistics and since several people have reported the same phenomena, I would say it was time to file a report on the Moodle Tracker.

Regarding the reasons why queries go unanswered, from a purely personal point of view , I would say that I respond to posts that either (1) I can give a specific answer to a specific problem, or (2) I can show someone a page where their problem has been discussed on Moodle forums in the past, or (3) I think I can help the someone rephrase a post in a way that I think is more likely to get a response from someone who could give a specific answer.

Just my personal view. Hope it helps smile

all the best
Gordon

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Re: Dealing with problems

by Joe Griffin -
Gordon

Thanks again.

I think you have just illutrated one possible approach. If somebody sees a post and knows that the same problem has been reported by others then maybe a suggestion to put it on tracker is needed (and BTW I have searched Moodle to see if others have reported a similar problem, it is ALWAYS the first thing I do before posting a query). At least that way the original query is answered and the process of improving Moodle and how it is used in the learning environment is moved on. It is the non-reply situation that I think causes problemsJoe
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Howard Miller -
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My feeling is that the tracker is generally for bugs and for feature suggestions. Any Moodle user can (and should) add a report if they feel it is appropriate for the tracker. It isn't though particularly for problems that simply come up in the forums a number of times, as they may well be neither bugs nor feature suggestions.

I'd also point out that docs.moodle.org is for anybody to contribute to. In many cases it may be more useful, having identified a repeated problem, to add it to one of the FAQs. If nothing else it removes the effort of having to type the solution to the problem into a forum multiple times when a simple link to the docs gets the job done.
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Re: Dealing with problems

by A. T. Wyatt -
Random observations:

We do have a block called "unanswered discussions" which is located on the lower left side of the "using moodle" course. It used to be easier to see--perhaps it has been moved down a bit?

I would be helping more on the basic user issues (not server issues), but we are still using 1.6. It could possibly be that the newer versions of Moodle are engendering the most questions, but a significant number of us are not answering because we are still using an older version! I know that is true in my case.

I also have to say that because I am stupid, I can't seem to figure out media wiki markup and therefore have been less than helpful with moodle docs. I can't decide how to organize any information I might add, because some things should be general, some should be version specific, and I can't wrap my mind around the best way to structure the information. So I have not had the courage to add much to the documentation!

Maybe none of that helps, but I think we are seeing the problematic effect of a number of converging factors, not just one.

atw

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Re: Dealing with problems

by koen roggemans -
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About adding to the documentation and not knowing what or how ...

I think EVERY addition to the documentation is worth the effort. It's not necessary to be worried about the mark up or whether your documentation is complete or not: it's a wiki. Someone else will come along and change it, improve it, rearrange it etc.

According to problems with statistics where this thread is a little bit about, I wrote a very small note in the at that time empty statistics page. I found it a little bit weird to start a page with how to solve a problem, rather then something about features or use, but I'm sure someone will complete it wink (I noticed Helen fixing the mark up already - thanks for this.)
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Frances Bell -
It's a long thread so maybe someone mentioned it, but honing your forum search skills might pay off. Even if you don't find the answer, you could say I found this and this but they don't answer my question completely which is .................
Evidence of having searched might increase your response rate.
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Joe Griffin -
Hi Frances

if you knew how many hours I spend before I post a query.... And I think I have honed by search skills pretty well after 5 years or so searching and resolving issues. But I think you are also saying that I should also prove my search skills before asking a question? I would hope that others would accept that a query is usually posted as a last resort.

But I think it is now time to end this thread as there seems to be a general reluctance to accept that some people find using Moodle difficult and they DO need help.
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Garland Green -
Joe, thanks for the chance to read these dialogs. If nothing else comes out of this, it has jarred my butt loose and inspired me to write more (SOME) documentation and respond to those who have similar issues as I have had before.

It is a bit of a dance is it not? How much time to dedicate to helping others. I read the forums "religiously" and make them my first stop when I get myself in a jam. However, I have found that at times there is silence. Your point is well taken. Really.

Keep posting bro. even when the return ping stings a bit.

Cheers.
-G
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Peter Campbell -
I think Joe brings up a good point. The interest in Moodle has sky-rocketed of late. So while that is an amazing and wonderful thing, it also brings with it some new issues for this community. Namely, how do we sustain growth and interest in Moodle? I've been in this community for about two years, and in that time I've had 2 or 3 questions that went unanswered by the community. Not bad -- and I'm not complaining! cool But new-comers may not be so forgiving or understanding.

So I think it's something that we need to chew on as a community. How do we -- collectively -- make the self-help experience better so that more people can have more of their questions answered and come away with a more positive experience of Moodle?

Here's a suggestion: has anyone tried searching for help in Google groups? It's pretty amazing. And very efficient. If you are a member of a Google group, you click on "post your question" to send a question to the group. But as you type text into the subject line, an area on the right side of the page dynamically updates with other users' posts that relate directly to what you are entering into the subject line. So your eye goes to this results list of matching posts and you can often see the answer to your question right there. Thus, no need to send your question because it's already been asked and answered. (see attached screen shot)

Is something like this possible in the Moodle forums? I think it would go a long way in helping people help themselves by automatically searching the forums for them and coming up with relevant information. Might there be a way to use the Google search technology inside a Moodle forum?

Peter
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by Gordon Bateson -
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Hi Peter,
what an exciting idea. It sounds like AJAX at work here, so as you type the subject of your new post, there is some javascript sending those words to the server and receiving back posts on a similar theme.

It might require optimizing the search capabilities of the forum tables, for example creating a table of keywords which could be used to locate posts more quickly and with less server load the using lots of LIKE "%keyword%" sql statements, but it definitely sounds doable.

cheers
Gordon
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Michael Penney -
Possible, but we'd probably need alot more servers for Moodle.org (the technology is submitting search strings as you type, very cool, but also very hardware intensivewide eyes).

Now if we could load this thing on some e35Ks...

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Re: Dealing with problems

by Joseph Rézeau -
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Hi Peter,

As Gordon says in his reply, this looks like an exciting idea. However...

> How do we make the self-help experience better so that more people can have more of their questions answered?

or rather ... so that more questions get more relevant answers...

> But as you type text into the subject line, an area on the right side of the page dynamically updates with other users' posts that relate directly to what you are entering into the subject line.

What about those (not so infrequent) message subjects like: "stupid thing", "just learning, and feeling lost", "Help needed desperately", "Really URGENT! Please help", etc. ? They won't bring out much help, will they?

The helpfulness of these Moodle forums can certainly be enhanced by some technical devices, but more importantly, people who ask for help have to learn a) how to help themselves b) how to formulate their problem to get a better chance of getting help c) to be patient d) to take the time to observe the rules and customs of these forums. People giving help have to observe the same rules, plus a) try to elicit from help-askers the information necessary to understand their problem and b) take the time to test their "solutions" before posting them... In other words, no amount of technology (be it Ajax or otherwise) will replace human common sense and a strong sense of community, the latter being a characteristic of the Moodle community (and of many other discussion board communities).

Peace (as Anthony would say),

Joseph

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Re: Dealing with problems

by Peter Campbell -
Joseph - great points. Totally agree with you. But the factors for successfully using the forums that you mention are clearly not used by everyone. As the number of people using the forums grows, this will become more and more of an issue.

So how do we increase users' -- especially new users' -- knowledge of how to use the forums? My concern is that as the commmunity grows, its capacity to respond quickly and effectively -- if at all -- diminishes over time. This is a good problem to have! approve It means we are growing and that what we are doing matters. But we have to plan for continued growth and look for areas where we need to improve. This is food for thought along the lines of healthy, constructive criticism.

Peter
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Howard Miller -
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But I think it is now time to end this thread as there seems to be a general reluctance to accept that some people find using Moodle difficult and they DO need help.

Joe,

I don't think so. I wouldn't even waste so much time searching around for an answer. Please, if you have a problem, just ask in the forums. The *great* thing about the Moodle forums is that it is not populated by Unix nerds whose aim in life is to say stuff like "RTFM" and complain about the way you didn't follow their 200 point posting guidelines.

If you ask a direct question around here I am confident that you get a direct answer, even those along the lines of "I have no idea what I am doing, where do I start?". Moodle is a large, complex application and in reality a reasonable level of system administration knowledge is a prerequisite, so it is far from surprising that it is not plain sailing for many people.

Tip of the day: if you want to search the forums, use the search box on the very front page of moodle.org. It uses Google and works a hell of a lot better than the built-in forum search.
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by Garland Green -
Cheap shot at the Unix nerds. In this case you did not like or understand their response. This post was about no response. Howard, you cheapened your voice. Too bad for you. Thus: Howard Miller > /dev/null
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Howard Miller -
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I still carry the scars from the days when I started supporting a room full of Net/BSD boxes for the first time angry
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by Howard Miller -
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Garland,

It is rare indeed that I make any personal remarks on this site, but people should know that you edited your text *after* I had responded to your comment which I actually took to be light hearted. I think that's the hight of unpoliteness (if there is such a word).

Now I understand it to be a personal dig, I shall revise my response as follows.

It was not particularly meant as a "cheap shot" at Unix Nerds. In fact I am something of a Unix Nerd myself I suppose. It was entirely intended as a celebration of the fact that Moodle almost always follows the simple rule of "let's be nice". In my experience, there are considerable numbers of technical forums and mailing lists where looking "smart" and/or getting in the last work at all costs seems to be the order of the day which is rarely actually helpful. I just don't buy it that requests for help - with sufficient information to actually provide help - go ignored or, indeed, get unhelpful replies.

As I appear to have touched a nerve with you - and I have no clue why - I apologize for any offense that I may have caused you, but if you intended to annoy me (or make me look stupid), your bit of post-editing did the trick quite nicely.
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Garland Green -
Nice hook. smile

OK, in fairness, I did edit my post. I changed "Howard\ Miller > /dev/null to: Howard Miller > /dev/null for reasons that should be obvious.

Now, as for touching a nerve. Not at all. I was not upset or angry. I was just disappointed in your post, and to some degree, you. I read your posts man. Really I do. Your voice has been great in the past.

This dialog, however, has been about people NOT responding to posts asking for help. Miller, Howard dragged out something from a place I did not at all understand. In fact, not in keeping with Howard. Unix Nerds? Really.

You added these "Unix Nerds" because you (or you speaking for others) did not read what they (these Unix Nerds) had taken the time to document or you did not at all understand what was written?

Regardless, this thread got started out of frustrations about members NOT responding. I did not then nor do I now see the need to bring up people who did take the time to write documentation and then told you to read it. Yeah, I know, these folks can cut from time to time. I concede that.

As for me, I am not upset at all nor is there a nerve "touched." In the end this could be a great forum thread if we all understand the following:

If we are going to change the way education is delivered in schools AND we understand that each of us are hanging our necks out trying to "fight" the entrenched, then we need each other. It comes down to responsibility. You to read, others to write, us to talk, and most of all, each to UNDERSTAND. As for me, I happen to like Unix bro.
-G




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by Peter Campbell -

Tip of the day: if you want to search the forums, use the search box on the very front page of moodle.org. It uses Google and works a hell of a lot better than the built-in forum search.

Great suggestion! This alone may solve a lot of problems!
approve
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Joe Griffin -
Howard (and others)

This really must be my last word on this unless there is something specific that I can help with.

I started this as I noticed that about 30% of posts to this forum had no replies. I have noticed this before but not commented. Now that just seems to me like some sort of potential problem and one that will grow as the number of Moodlers increasing and the system gets bigger and more complex.

And yes, some people may post before searching, but I would not know how to prove this. It is also possible that people really only post after exhaustive searching has not answered their query. But in the spirit of Moodle, should we not address this as a problem and try and find a solution instead of denying that there is a problem at all?

All the best.
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Re: Dealing with problems : Yessssssssss !

by Fred Quay -
Hi Joe

Maybe a critical stage between relative number of new users posting extensively before searching or posting after unsuccessful search, and number of relatively informed ones who dedicate part of their time to help.

A new function -Moodle T-Ask Force - could be invented by a group in each forum needing it, dedicating its efforts to :
analyzing the questions trends, identifying tips and tricks, validating methodic messages, creating an intermediate knowledge database so as to inform efficiently and quickly, giving links so as to to spare writing.
For example, as a non english native, I would spare some time to link to well written and validated solutions rather than finding my word, grading risky expressions of my own and delivering even more risky solutions (check by clicking my profil). Sometimes, you would lose some good unvolunteer words of my own. Sorry, I quit, kind of Alices' heir -how do you call that hurry animal with long ears and a clock ? Regards
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Re: Dealing with problems : Yessssssssss !

by Joe Griffin -
Fred

That is such a good idea. How do we progress this? It's not a bug or new feature for Moodle so how to get it discussed and maybe even implemented?

Joe
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by Denny Brown -
I'm relatively new to moodle, and just started using these forums. I do lurk, and sometimes contribute, to what I think is a best-of-its-kind mailing list: mac-mgrs. It's for managers of Macintosh networks. What's unique, and VERY effective, are the rules of the list.

Briefly, they observed that most "help" lists suffer from very low signal-to-noise ratios. (Which is the root of Joe's point, I think.) To improve the ratio, they have a bunch of "how to use the list" pages and they really require that everybody read and follow the rules. It's a mailing list, not a forum, so maybe they have a little more control than we do here. smile

The key distinguishing rule is "no replies to the list". There are only two kinds of posts allowed: Problem description and Solution summary. If you have a suggestion that might help somebody who posted a Problem description, you send that directly to that person, NOT to the entire list. Then, it's the person who posted the Problem who must post the Solution summary. That is, the person who has the problem collects the suggestions, uses them to solve the original problem, and then posts what worked and didn't work in the solution. This way, list members don't have to sort through all of the guesses and suggestions to make sense of them. The owner of the Problem knows best what worked and why. Good Solution summaries then help everybody on the list, and the signal-to-noise is very high.

For more, see the mac-mgrs website. While the culture of mac-mgrs probably doesn't apply without modification, I think there are a bunch of good ideas there that we could import. In particular, they have very useful info describing what to do BEFORE you post, and what to include IN your post.

Finally, I think it's interesting to note that this thread is NOT one with 0 replies. It looks like people want to help, but many don't know how.

-Denny
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by Fred Quay -
Denny,

I do appreciate your analysis and experience, and since I have no power to change Moodle forum engine, would you agree to meet with Joe and I, to give a try to following idea :

Transferring our experience (mine is thin, but my intense Moodle commitment would profit a lot to be more efficient in using the information system) and analysis to try to make some strategic forums more efficient : training ourselves to a better use of Moodle site tools and interactions to help, search the tracker, write to the wiki, answer the unanswered questions, acquire a group experience on optimizing our skills to help : that imply to create a forum on how-to use Moodle site tools, if it does not exist yet, and to report to it any informations and queries we need between ourselves.

So, we would chose say 3 forums at start, analyze signal to noise ratio on significant period, then exchange informations on how to optimize our search strategies, and so on, while answering when we can, most of time by linking information, communicating how-to-find tricks, sharing documentary knowledge rather than providing lone solution. I propose that we would work any of us on three chosen forums, so as to cross our analysis and (growing) knowledge.



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by Howard Miller -
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My only comment is that you should particularly note that the forums are "staffed" by volunteers. Human nature being what it is, if resolving somebody else's problem takes a lot of interpretation or effort then it will probably get bypassed.

I've haven't specifically looked at your posts so this isn't aimed at you. However, please consider if you are providing enough information to make it *easy* for others to understand and resolve your problem. To be extreme, reports like "URGENT: Installation doesn't work, help me now!!!" are probably doomed to being ignored.
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by Owen Grubbs -

I can identify, Joe. Most of my queries concerning installation have heretofore been ignored. I imagine that is because my institution requires that our moodle site run on a MS server, IIS, with a MSSQL db, and the norm is linux, apache, and mysql. So I guess I'm SOL.

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Re: Dealing with problems

by Howard Miller -
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Owen,

If you are going to make statements like that it would be much better if they were actually true tongueout

Anybody can look at your posting history, remember. You have had *one* post with no answer - and for that you specifically asked that information be sent directly to your email address!

I think that you will find that while not the majority, there is a lot of interest in running your configuration. A lot of cold hard cash has been invested recently in getting MSSQL working, but it is still relatively early days so to a certain extent you will be on the bleeding edge which is something you have to bear in mind too.
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Owen Grubbs -
Howard, I stand corrected. Maybe I should have said "somewhat" or "mostly" ignored.
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Re: Dealing with problems

by Howard Miller -
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Owen, sorry if my post was a little terse!

I hope you had your problems resolved, that's the important thing smile