Quiz

Rick, as I've already mentioned, I know the history of the versioning. I am not here to discuss its for and against. What I'm asking is whether that feature can be disabled in a site.

Tim, please add this one to your list.

MDL-78590 - Manual Grading Results Incorrect when Questions Are Updated - Version issue

I am going to be curious to see MDL-76757. In another Moodle.org topic (Visvanath's), "Are Calculated and Calculated simple question types multi-part?," we explored some "calculated" question types. Of course, some of these are a bit complex. While trying to develop a "calculated" question, I start simple and then revise the question as I experiment and try things. It took only a short time before I had 10 revisions of this question. The last version was the question that I wanted to keep since it worked. I wanted to delete all my experimental versions.

 

If I haven't said it before, I want you to know I like this "question versioning" feature.  Yep, there are still a few things to figure out, but I think it will become another very powerful Moodle Quizzing Engine feature.

Hi Tim

I know, this is a user level (my) problem. Since you were talking of usability, here is an example, first-hand, all happened this week.

I was called to repeat a course which I gave two years ago. It is an instructor-led, multiple session, on-line workshop. The original one was in Moodle 3.9 LTS, this time it is 4.1 LTS. This time it is also a different institution so I migrated the course content through course backup and restore. I update the text a lot, change images, screen-shots, etc. but these are never a problem.

The critical component is the quiz. Each session has an auto-graded quiz, not high-stake, rather as a teaching tool. Means, unlimited attempts are allowed, the highest grade counts, rather long, 15-25 questions each, and always the same questions, in the same order, no randomization. On the new site all worked straightaway, well, until the pilot students pointed out to me that certain questions need corrections. Basically, the sample user last time was like 03c123456, this time he is user000. Also rather than naming the three text files involved in those exercises knave.txt, queen.txt, etc. I decided to omit the file extension. They are now knave, queen, etc.

That is when the confusion started. When I review the quiz I see "Edit question" at each quesion. So I corrected a question. But the corrections didn't stick. Now I see, you've warned me of MDL-78547. But conducted the 5 session (5 week) course in 5 days as a crash course with my pilot "students" (who are the teaching assistants when the real course will be conducted). What I want to say is that we were moving at crash speed, so little reserves for the unexpected.

Anyway, then I saw the padlock sign next to the quiz in the course index, and thought that the attempts are blocking the editing and deleted all the attempts. That didn't make a difference though. Then went to the question bank and edited the question. No change in the quiz. Then came back to find that the question is in duplicate (version?). One of them is still in the original state. Another one has half the changes (sample user done but not file renaming dropping .txt). What I don't understand further is why all the questions have duplicates.

I know, I didn't get the changes to the quiz behaviour. My mind is frozen somewhere in the ice age. It didn't record the previous round of changes (to the question bank, 3.11?) either. But the good news is that the real course is in three weeks, I will somehow add a new "work-flow" to my collection, which won't melt in to my frozen mind. Which compels me to postpone the corrections, which is not a good thing.

AL

Now you mention it, you'll be surprised: The whole project in which people from different state education institutions country-wide collaborate, run on RPi, a Pi 4 B 4G. We are lucky since the NREN of the country supports us. Until last week we had the production Moodle running 3.9 (LTS) and the staging instance running Moodle 4.1 (LTS). Since Raspberry Pi OS is Debian 11 "Bullseye", both Moodle LTS can run on parallel on the default PHP, which is 7.4. Since the institutions involved are either already in 4.x (LTS) or are on their way to 4.x, we decided to switch our prod. instance to 4.1 (LTS) only last week.

I have plenty of Moodle 3.9 (LTS) instances, or can even create a (reverse) staging Moodle version 3.9 (LTS) on the same server. But that will put too much load on the teachers involved.

Are you referring to browser caches? If so, no, I have not. My colleague experienced the same thing, so I am not sure if that is the cause.

My colleague exported the question bank for the quiz, then imported it as a new question bank with a different name/category. Then created a new quiz and add the question(s) from the new question bank. That corrected the issue in the development course, but when we created a copy of the course on a different server, the issue reappeared. I just followed the same process and it appears that the questions are all displaying in the appropriate language.

Does this make sense to you all?

Thanks Tim, that solves it. We'll mark the submitted attempts for regrade if we update the grader information after they submit their attempt.

The old attempts will be associated to an older version of the question. you need to update that as tim has indicated previously which will require a regrade.