Grades not visible unless Quiz is visible???

Grades not visible unless Quiz is visible???

by Ken Masters -
Number of replies: 5

Hi

In the past, after my students had completed a quiz, I had always made the quiz invisible, just as an added security measure.  When I had completed my item analysis, I would then make the grades visible.  It was never necessary for me to make the quiz visible in order for students to see their quiz grades.

Now, I have to make the quiz visible to students in order for them to see their quiz grades.  Can anybody explain to me what the rationale of this is?

Thanks

Regards

Ken


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Re: Grades not visible unless Quiz is visible???

by Paula Clough -

Hello Ken,

I don't know what version of Moodle or if you have recently updated or if you are having students look at grades in the quiz or in the grade book, so I can give only general advice.  Check your grade book setting that hidden items will be included. That will allow them to see grades in grade book. If you want them to see their grades etc. in the quiz activity, you will want to check the feedback settings there. Hiding the quiz instead of closing it though would make it invisible to the students. 

Hope that is helpful. If not please give us more information. 

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Re: Grades not visible unless Quiz is visible???

by Ken Masters -

Hi Paula

Thanks for your reply. 

As far as I know, we are using version 3. 


Short Version:

I'm trying to let the students see their quiz scores in the gradebook, while hiding the quiz, but this is not possible.


Long version:

I want my students to be able to see their grades in the gradebook.  In the past, I simply made the gradebook visible to the students, and then, at the top of the column, there was an eye that had to be opened.

Our institutional Moodle support service made some changes at the beginning of the semester.  Now, there is no eye at the top of the column.  After I had made the gradebook visible, the students could see other stuff (e.g. an assignment), but not the quiz score.

So I contacted the IT support in our department, and he didn't know either.  He contacted the main Moodle support at our institution, and they told him that I had to set the Quiz feedback on, and also check the tick boxes in the availability times of the quiz.  I have never needed to do that before, and that didn't seem to have anything to do with the gradebook, but I was desperate, so I did it, but that made no difference.

So I contacted our Moodle support directly, and told them that I had set everything to visible, even the hidden things, but still the grade was not showing in the gradebook.  I also referred to the strange information I had received about the feedback and the availability times, and I had done that even though it made no sense to me. I asked for full and detailed instructions on how to make the quiz grade visible in the grade book.

This is their response:

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Hi
 
We have given the right instructions to [name of IT support in our dept]. However it seems that your quiz is hidden and any hidden activity its associated grades will be automatically hidden as well for students.

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I've been using various LMSs for about 15 years, and have never heard of this, and there seems to be no good reason for making the quiz visible (and plenty of good reasons for not making it visible).  I have asked them for their reason for doing this, but they have yet to reply.

In meantime, I kludged a really messy work-around: I downloaded all my students' quiz scores, stripped unwanted columns, converted to csv, manually created a fake grade book item with the quiz name, and then uploaded the quiz scores into that.  My students can see that perfectly.  Apart from the time wastage of having to do that, I hate kludging stuff like this, but I don't seem to have a choice.

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks





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Re: Grades not visible unless Quiz is visible???

by Marina Glancy -
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1. Close the quiz by setting "Close the quiz" date in the quiz settings, docs

2. Leave the course module available but hide it from the course page. In Moodle 3.3 there will be a special way to do it (see MDL-4782), on earlier versions do one of the following:

- increase number of topics/weeks, move quiz to the last topic/week, decrease number of topics/weeks. Now quiz is in "orphaned" activities

- or create a hidden topic/week, move quiz to it, "unhide" the quiz

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Re: Grades not visible unless Quiz is visible???

by Ken Masters -

Hi Marina

Thanks very much - I'll give that a try on my next quiz.  (I don't want to experiment with the current one, because my students have been messed around too much already, so I'll just leave the current one as it is).

Thanks again.

Ken


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Re: Grades not visible unless Quiz is visible???

by Dominique Bauer -
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[ Quiz not available ]    Author: QuizAnswers, http://www.quizanswers.com License: CC Attribution   
Quiz on subject "A"


You could also keep the quiz 'shown' and 'hide' the quiz icon by covering it with a button. Edit the HTML of the 'Description' in the quiz settings and insert the following code:

<button style="position:absolute;
               z-index:10;
               top:-6px;
               left:22px;
               height:40px;
              ">Quiz not available
</button>

Make sure that 'Display description on course page' (just below the Description's input box) is enabled. Adjust the top and left position as required.

You could also use an image, a 'div' or a 'p' element, etc.:

<a href="url of the quiz" target="_blank" style="cursor:pointer;">
<img style="position:absolute;
            z-index:10;
            top:-6px;
            left:22px;"
  width="70" height="70" class="img-responsive"
  src="https://moodle.org/brokenfile.php#/1984378/user/draft/754464985/Quiz-Games-256.png"
  alt="Author: QuizAnswers, http://www.quizanswers.com License: CC Attribution">
</a>

or

<a href="url of the quiz" target="_blank" style="cursor:pointer;">
<div style="position:absolute;
            z-index:10;
            top:-6px;
            left:22px;
            width:70px;
            background-color:#d9edf7;
            border: 1px solid #93b8e8;
            border-radius:4px;
            padding:3px;
            text-align:center;">Quiz on subject "A"
</div>
</a>

There are other advantages in using this method:

  • Simple to use.
  • When the quiz is to be taken, the cover (button, image or div element) can be linked to the quiz address which allows opening the quiz in a new tab or new window. Simply remove the link when the quiz is finished.
  • In a given course, different icon covers can be used for different subjects.

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