How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

nellsson narti -
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Some of my students are not happy that I am using Moodle and not D2L, the college standard that 98% of the professors use.

I see this complaint as a disguise for being lazy, and unwilling to try new things. I want to keep Moodle, which is better than D2L.

However, I am getting some pressure to change to D2L. Has anyone had a similar experience? Any advice for how to handle this matter professionally? 

Help.



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回复nellsson narti

Re: How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

Ian Hunt -


I have the same situation, D2L institution, but I use Moodle. I've fought the battle and won so far because D2L can't run the assignments that I can run in Moodle because the assessment tools in Moodle are far superior. So, I would suggest that you make a list of the pedagogical reasons why you need to use Moodle and use that as your basis. Best of luck!

回复Ian Hunt

Re: How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

nellsson narti -

Excellent advice. I will follow up. Thanks for your advice.

回复nellsson narti

Re: How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

Derek Chirnside -

The first response I'd have is this is to hear from the students:

'What are the reasons you want to use D2L and not Moodle? What is your problem with Moodle?'

-Derek

回复Derek Chirnside

Re: How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

nellsson boijacks -

I don't have a problem with Moodle--I love Moodle.

The school district has a contract with D2L and is happiest when professors D2L (nothing else).

回复nellsson narti

Re: How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

Usman Asar -
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Initialize with Derek's advice, problem analysis, and show them differences like Ian said. You may have to end up making a presentation for that, this work will take effort but eventually you'll have success depending on how you have presented.
回复nellsson narti

Re: How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

Santhosh Samban -

Buddy refer this link "https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=150533". This will help you to list out features and demerits. You can submit a report to the officials. And all the best, Moodle will win!!

回复Santhosh Samban

Re: How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

Derek Chirnside -

Santhosh: I was aware of this Moodle vs D2L post when I replied earlier in this thread, but there is some vagueness in the description and I was not sure about it, I'd have liked to read the inevitable Blog posts, IT department and president's news from the actual institution.  微笑

I think you can compare D2L and Moodle and come up with a preference for either side depending on your values and priorities.  

For instance

  • D2L can save you a lot of time with course creation, deployment of all sorts of content (esp video where Moodle and images is weak), groups (like self sign up) and basic member management (esp some social aspects), all of which need special plugins, hacks or using expensive hosting options with Moodle.  (ie if you value these you will use D2L) - but it costs.
  • Moodle can give you more power in the range of quiz questions - lesson is a plus (but it's clunky) - you can also do your own coding if you want things to look a little better.  And it's OS.  All the fringe things like analytics, plugins etc that are 'nice to have' and maybe not essential, or even if they are - these are easier with Moodle if you have coders.
  • Then there is the issue of hosting, server support etc.

There are other articles 

  1. Comparison of Moodle and D2L at the same place: https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=43277
  2. A little older report from DOODLE (I kid you not): http://www.academia.edu/459487/Learning_Management_Systems_Review
  3. Another possible D2L>Moodle shift (20 November 2014): http://spartandaily.com/66784/d2l-crossover

I refrained from commenting on this quote the other day: "I want to keep Moodle, which is better than D2L".  This is an assertion, that really needs some context.  If that is what you believe nellson, then a careful articulation of this with benefits for the user (student AND tutor) MUST have some sway in a rational environment.

-Derek

回复nellsson narti

Re: How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

Dan Marsden -
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The key for me in your post was that it is the students who are complaining that you are using Moodle - Have you asked your students what they don't like about it? There may be things you can do to improve their experience.

you also mention Moodle is "better" - better for who? - if your students are finding that your Moodle site is difficult to use but the D2L site is easy can you really say that it is better? 

I would usually advise teachers try to use the main organisational LMS rather than splinter off and manage/use a self-installed LMS for a group of students unless you can collaborate with the internal IT department and implement single sign on, automatic enrolment and integration with internal portals and other systems otherwise you can just make it harder for the most important people in the equation - your students!

Think about it in the opposite way... what are you doing wrong that is making it difficult for your students - can you modify or improve your Moodle site to resolve some of those complaints?

回复Dan Marsden

Re: How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

nellsson boijacks -

The key for me in your post was that it is the students who are complaining that you are using Moodle - Have you asked your students what they don't like about it? There may be things you can do to improve their experience.

Over the weekend I posted a survey asking for student input.

you also mention Moodle is "better" - better for who? - if your students are finding that your Moodle site is difficult to use but the D2L site is easy can you really say that it is better? 

I would usually advise teachers try to use the main organisational LMS rather than splinter off and manage/use a self-installed LMS for a group of students unless you can collaborate with the internal IT department

I do collaborate with the internal IT department (my wife is head of the department)

and implement single sign on,

single sign-on is already implemented (done)

automatic enrolment

automatic enrolment is standard

and integration with internal portals and other systems

integration is also standard

otherwise you can just make it harder for the most important people in the equation - your students!

Think about it in the opposite way... what are you doing wrong that is making it difficult for your students

it appears that a few students--failing the course cohorts--are possibly complaining as a get-back-at-the-professor option

- can you modify or improve your Moodle site to resolve some of those complaints?

I work each week to make Moodle the best for both students and professor. 

Thanks for your input.

回复nellsson boijacks

Re: How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

Rick Jerz -
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Nellson, I faced the same issue with one of my courses this semester, one that I do for another university that is using D2L.  I used D2L around 5 years ago but have been using Moodle myself for 5 years, so in a way, I was eager to use D2L and see how it compares.  In my own courses, I use Quizzes, Discussions, and Assignments, so part of an overall comparison might depend upon what other faculty tend to use.  I am now done with my D2L course, and was very disappointed.  I am one who likes to separate the two products by "What the student sees" and "What the instructor see."

From the student perspective, students might not see much of a difference.  However, in D2L, students never see "online users", so getting a sense of knowing if other students are doing work or the instructor, this seems missing in D2L.  Also, the grade book is not as powerful.  I think my students like seeing their grade updated regularly, and this was not possible in D2L following my course's simple grading structure.  Believe me, I tried my best with the school's D2L support team.  Eventually, I ended up using Excel to do the calculations, and importing the status into a D2L grade item.  I never have to do this with my Moodle, so I feel that student's knowledge of their status was limited with D2L.  The Discussions on D2L take on a somewhat clumsy view, not nearly as nice as Moodle.  Having noticed these differences, I must say that probably students do not because they know no difference.  They accept these shortcomings because the never see that a system could be better.

From an instructor perspective, there are lots of differences.  D2L's grade book, probably better than Blackboard's, still doesn't compare with Moodle's.  Being able to read and rate discussions, in context, is a major strength of Moodle over D2l.  And Moodle's quiz engine is much more powerful.  I wanted to give online exams, for example, and really missed Moodle's "Calculated multiple choice" question type.  My exams were much less randomized in D2L (but students would never complain about this, right?).  Also, getting questions into D2L was a mess.  When I probed with the school's D2L support staff about this quizzing inadequacy, they said that many faculty are now using the publisher's website for quizzing, not D2L.  In checking about why other faculty are not bothered by what I was learning, I was told that I am a much more demanding instructor, and that most instructors only post lecture notes (PowerPoints) and post the final course grades.  So they were really not using the other features of D2L.

So, here is what I am going to try next semester.  Since it is okay to link to an external quiz engine, I am going to link to my Moodle's quiz engine.  In my course, I don't use Forums that much, but when I do, I am going to link to a Moodle forum.  Yes, students will need to log in (again), but they can set up their own username and password, so I don't see this a much trouble.  I am also going to use the Moodle garbed, linking to it from D2L.  I am basically going to mirror the course between the two products, using Moodle for the features that are better.  For "content", I always link to webpages on my website, so it is rather simple to do this in any product.  In this manner, I can still tell administrators that I am using D2L, and they should be happy.  I find that most administrators don't really know what an LMS can do, so they just want the simple "I use D2L" being said.  I did keep careful notes about D2L's problems, just in case I ever need to explain this to the administrators.

Since I will be running parallel systems, and students will be able to do everything in Moodle, I will be asking student's opinions about Moodle at the end of the semester.  I the beginning of the semester, I am going to tell students that I am using this external "moodle" product for its better grade book, and for better managing their ability to practice quizzes, so that their learning can be maximized.  Hope this gets them over the hump.  The only "negative" issue might be that students need to do one extra login to Moodle.

Eventually, I plan to document all of the differences that I uncovered between the two products. 微笑  (BTW, D2L apparently does not support emoticon!)

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Re: How do I convince my college to continue allowing me to use Moodle (and not D2L)?

Dan Marsden -
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great to hear that you have worked closely with the IT team, my experience has been that this doesn't occur as much as it should to ensure that the students benefit from internal collaboration! - Shame to hear the negative feedback is in response to students failing grades, you can't always keep everyone happy - hopefully you are able to decipher/obtain some more qualitative feedback that allows you to justify the use of Moodle for your students.

Good luck!