yep, had already checked the fs to see if they existed. I did that off the bat since it was the obvious choice. Did a chown / chmod reset on the folders to make sure the apache user had access to moodledata in case that was the problem, checked other things worked etc. In this case the files were missing and since they are still referenced they are causing the process to crash. I'm sure this shouldn't be a problem otherwise google would hand me a "oh yeah, duh" answer, but it hasn't in this case. Any suggestions, however oddball at this point would be appreciated
can't edit text if an image is missing from moodle data, can't fix it either.
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