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Moodle documentation: How to subscribe to multiple categories
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I am completing an article which is valid for Moodle versions 1.6 to 2.3 throughout http://docs.moodle.org/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions.

With Category:Installation I get it added to http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Category:Installation only, but is missing in /19/, /20/ and /21/. How do I get that article subscribed to those versions too?
 
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Mary Cooch
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I think you'd have to copy the page to the 2.1 and 2.0 and 1.9 docs - which have separate logins. If you change the URL in your page from 22 to 21 for instance then log in you can copy it.

 
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Hi Visvanath,

The easiest way to add a new documentation page to other version wikis is to follow the links in the 'more docs' block. For example, for http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions if you follow the link 'Moodle 2.1 docs' it takes you to http://docs.moodle.org/21/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions then you can click the create tab and paste the contents of the page.

As Mary mentions, you'll need to login to each version wiki.

 
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Hi

Now I get it: This is yet another manifestation of our infamous topic http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=193518.
sad

No thanks, I'm not interested.

P.S. In case somebody comes to the rescue by creating multiple copies of the article, please don't! It is not finished (when is a wiki page finished?).
 
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Mary Cooch
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If you want to announce when it is as finished as you wish for the time being, then I don't mind doing some copying and pastingsmile But I will leave it for now!

 
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Hi Helen

I wrote on 11 April 2012:
> In case somebody comes to the rescue by creating multiple copies of the article, please don't!

Exactly that has happened!
sad

The default has become /23/, that means http://docs.moodle.org/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions now jupms to http://docs.moodle.org/23/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions
which is a duplicate of http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions taken on the evening of 20.

As a result the changes to /22/ since 21. May http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/index.php?title=Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions&action=historysubmit&diff=98099&oldid=97914 haven't gone to /23/. You have added those changes to /23/ on the 25. June http://docs.moodle.org/23/en/index.php?title=Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions&action=historysubmit&diff=98825&oldid=97914.

My question:
Do you have a "tool" for this kind editing or do you do it by hand? In the latter case, am I supposed to check the accuracy of the /23/ page too?

Or do we have at least an inter-wiki diff, I mean can one generate a diff between /WX/en/SomePage and /YZ/en/SamePage?
 
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C'est moi :-)
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Hi,

I was just thinking about that : it would be very useful to be able to compare the same page in several wiki versions, to see what changes, and be able to modify things accordingly.

And if possible not only 2 versions, but the whole existing versions : 20/en/PageName, 21/en/PageName, 22/en/PageName and 23/en/PageName (now) !

Séverin

 
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Hi Helen

Any good news?
 
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I just check the page history when comparing the same page in two version wikis. I don't have a special tool and unfortunately I've not yet figured out a better way.

As with everything in the wiki, if anyone notices a mistake has been made when copying recent changes from another wiki, they're welcome to fix it.

 
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Helen, that is bad news!

You wrote:
> I just check the page history when comparing the same page in two version wikis.

But that is not practicable, even for a single pair: They could have follow up changes, if one author thought of syncing. Also they might have differing changes by two different authors.

If we go back to original "one author" document http://docs.moodle.org/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions, can you verify that /23/ is lagging behind /22/ by more than a month?

> As with everything in the wiki, if anyone notices a mistake has been made when copying recent changes from another wiki, they're welcome to fix it.

You expect the visitors to read _two_ wikis at the same time and/or compare their recent changes? The idea is to leave those discrepancies to hang around until visitors of the above kind find them? Might work for a page or two. I believe there are literally thousands of pages in the /en/ wiki, multiplied by 5 (/19/, /20/, /21/, /22/ and /23/) and still growing.
sad
 
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It is not approved yet, because it's quite new ;) The add-on "Compare MoodleDocs" was created and tested with Firefox 14 on Mac OS X, Ubuntu 12.04 and Windows XP. After the installation, visit "view source" of any page within the MoodleDocs, right-click into the textarea containing the source code of the page, select "compare this MoodleDoc with" plus the version to compare with. If the other version exists, the Diff Checker (a free online tool) will open in a new tab and visualize the differences between the two versions. Have fun smile

 
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Wow, Martin, your Firefox add-on is great! approve Thanks a lot - I'll certainly have fun with it!

Visvanath, no I don't expect visitors to read two wikis at the same time, nor compare recent changes. With the help of one or two other people, I try and keep an eye on the recent changes in the different version wikis and copy any significant changes, ensuring that the latest two version wikis (corresponding to the stable builds available on download.moodle.org) are kept as accurate as possible. It doesn't take much time, as there's hardly any activity in the older version wikis these days. Also, quite a few documentation contributors add new content to both of the latest two version wikis at the same time, as it's quick and easy to do so using the links in the more docs block.

 
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You're welcome! It's my first Firefox add-on, so please let me know if there are issues...

 
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Picture of Visvanath Ratnaweera
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Hi Helen

I don't see the manual synchronization nor the tool-assisted synchronization between the various wikis working. As of today http://docs.moodle.org/23/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions is lagging behind http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions by over three months.
sad

I've deleted the content of /23/ version. Could you pl. purge that page?

The future of /22/ version too is uncertain. Don't worry, there is always a Nirwana.
wink
 
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Hi Visvanath,

Apologies for being totally confused about what should or shouldn't be done to the page Installing Moodle on Debian based distributions. I thought you said previously that it should NOT be updated, so I did not copy any of the changes from the 2.2 page. I don't understand what you mean by 'purge that page'.

 
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Hi Mary

I'm sorry too about the misunderstanding. No point in contnuing on that.

By "purge" I mean, http://docs.moodle.org/23/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions
should behave as it any other non-existing page. See attachment.

P.S. Observed just now, http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Category:Installation lists http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions whereas http://docs.moodle.org/23/en/Category:Installation does not list http://docs.moodle.org/23/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions. Any reason?

 
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Hi Visvanath,

I have deleted 'Installing Moodle on Debian based distributions' in the 2.3 wiki. It doesn't look exactly as in your attachment, as Mediawiki keeps a record of all activity, including page deletions.

The reason why 'Installing Moodle on Debian based distributions' was listed in http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Category:Installation but not in http://docs.moodle.org/23/en/Category:Installation was because the text Category:Installation in double brackets was included in the page in the 2.2 wiki but not in the 2.3 wiki.

 
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Hi Helen

The state of the /23/ version with a note to the reason of deletion is OK for me. Only thing the link in "‎(Author request: see http://docs.moodle.org/22/en/Installing_Moodle_on_Debian_based_distributions)" is not exactly the explanation, shouldn't it be http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=200288#p929952 ?

About /23/ not appearing in the /23/...Category:Installation, the tag http://docs.moodle.org/en/MoodleDocs:Style_guide#Categories is neutral of the wiki version. Therefore a /22/ doc cloned to /23/ should appear in the corresp. /23/...category. Or do you say, the Category tag was not there in the /23/ clone? Who has deleted it? Not me. It is too late for the page we are talking about, might need to keep an eye for other pages.
 
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Picture of Helen Foster
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Visvanath, you're right, it would have been better to have given a link to the forum discussion as reason for deletion. I just gave a link to the page in the 2.2 wiki, as I normally use the field for providing a link to the page if it exists elsewhere.

The text Category:Installation in double brackets was previously included in the page in the 2.3 wiki but was deleted when you deleted all other content. As far as I can tell, categories seem to be working correctly in each of the wikis.

 
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Hi Helen

Of course! During the quenching action I removed the Category:Installation label thereby threw the document out of the category! Sorry for that.

That finally prooves that this multiple wiki business is two much for me.
wink
 
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Martin

My compliments! Specially since I know that you posted the add-on in less that 24 h after our chat.
;-D

I'm amazed at how accessible theses technologies are (and your flair for them;). But in this case I have to tell you frankly that you are trying to solve a problem which should not be there.

The cloning of the wikis is a disaster for the Moodle docs. The promised "eye ball" solutions are not working, nobody believed they will work.

<sarcasm>
Still there could be a positive side of your invention: May the vaccine give publicity to the flu!

> Have fun smile
<\sarcasm>
 
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I hacked the builder until the night became the dawn of a new Firefox add-on wink

 
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