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Dear all

Subj. Quiz completion condition is "Any grade", but not granted if not passing grade

I have seen similar discussions here and though it happened to us too. But in our marking scheme this is rare, so somehow went under the radar. Now in a running course faced with this.

Here are the conditions of a quiz:

and the Restrict access setting of the follow-up activity (a Page):

The quiz is further set to:

We can reproduce with dummy students that if no passing mark is reached, in one, two or three attempts, the follow-up page is blocked.

Moodle 4.5.8 (Build: 20251208)

Has this been reported? Or, are we mistaken in someway?

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Hi

You wrote:
> The plugins are of course gone.

Do you really think, Moodle is designed that way? I have done many upgrades. The plug-ins go, only if I removed them.

To investigate what has happened, could you tell us:
1. How did you install Moodle core the first time. What version? You seem to be a CLI person, then give us the exact commands.

2. How did you add the plug-ins? Again with a precise example.

3. Did you upgrade (over versions 4.2 > 4.5 etc) before this? If so, what were the commands? Or did you start with Moodle 4.5 LTS?

4. How did you upgrade this time, 4.5 LTS > 5.1? Following Upgrading to the dot? If so, when did you notice that the plug-ins were gone?
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Hi Juan Carlos

I'm relieved. I thought I won't find the end of the road. Thanks a lot!

In fact, it is simpler than it looks, the same parameters set at three different levels make it look complicated. Will be very useful in our future iterations. Only thing the kind of busy exams like the one https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=469302#p1896095 are rare and not always informed early enough and even then I can't extract much data from the user side, Moodle, I'm just a non-editing teacher there. Whatever, I'll see.
 
I prefer to keep this thread open, in case I get the chance to come with the results of a similar exercise.
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(This is the second part of my "lost post".)

Hi Dominique
You wrote:
> Right now, you could say ChatGPT and the forums complement each other

Why not, if that works for them? Some people prefer machines over humans, as much repulsive as that feels (to me) do we want to change them? Can we?

Where I don't have sympathy are, "I did what ChatGPT asked me to do, now where can I go?" cases, and no tolerance towards questions like, "ChatGPT told me this, what do you think?" type of second opinions. What I would love to write in such cases is unspeakable.

> Are we at the beginning of the end for the Moodle forums, or at the start of their transformation into something different?

We were told by the visionaries that this development is like the invention of printing. I am not a visionary, too petty, to see the world from galaxies, spanning light years.
 
 
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Preliminary: When upgrading from 4.1 LTS and you seem to have the latest system software (PHP, database), why not 4.5 LTS? It is still supported, 4.2 is not, and allow one shot upgrade. See this chart: http://www.syndrega.ch/blog/#php-and-dbms-compatibility-of-major-moodle-releases.

As you see in that, none of them is PHP 8.5 compatible. PHP 8.1 is the only version common to both. The good news is, although Moodle doesn't know a downgrade, if the upgrade was rejected at the beginning, no damage has been done. Switch back to a compatible PHP and you can continue on the GUI.

For the next time, before upgrade visit Site administration > Server > Environment and check (with the drop-down there) about the server's compatibility with future Moodle versions. And read Upgrading (change the version tag in the URL to your target). BTW, v. good that you have the final release in the branch 4.1 LTS, namely 4.1.22.
 
P.S. The topic better suits the Installing and Upgrading help forum.
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