Hi,
I have become a friend of Zotero - "a free, easy-to-use Firefox extension to help you collect, manage, and cite your research sources. It lives right where you do your work — in the web browser itself."
Its features are very beautiful and practical; and can be fruitful for Moodle, like drag and drop formatted references into the Moodle editor. It is multi-lingual! There are plug-ins and extensions for Word, Openoffice and Neooffice.
In upcoming versions:
1.5 (this summer): "This version of Zotero will offer users the ability to sync their individual collections with the Zotero Server. Through server syncing, users will have another way to access their Zotero library from multiple locations." I believe there will be an RSS-function as well.
2.0 (this fall): "Zotero 2.0 will offer users the ability to share collections with others through the Zotero Server. Users will be able to create collaborative groups and share notes and tags along with their bibliographic metadata. Data will be available at different access levels (e.g. read-only). "
Anyone else acquainted with Zotero? I would like to hear your views and ideas on how to use it in Moodle.
Why not ask the developers at Zotero to make a plug-in like the one for Wordpress - http://dev.zotero.org/wordpress ?
Thanks to the organizations and people behind Zotero for developing a free professional web based reference manager!
Kind regards,
Jonas
Greetings, Jonas!
I love zotero. I am looking forward to the centralized collections, as that is the biggest drawback for me--my collections are held hostage to the computer where I added them! (well, I know you can export and import, but that is a real pain for me when I regularly work on about 4 different computers)
I was unaware of the wordpress plugin, so thanks for sharing! I will go check that out!
atw
I love zotero. I am looking forward to the centralized collections, as that is the biggest drawback for me--my collections are held hostage to the computer where I added them! (well, I know you can export and import, but that is a real pain for me when I regularly work on about 4 different computers)
I was unaware of the wordpress plugin, so thanks for sharing! I will go check that out!
atw
Hi,
Thanks Alexandre and ATW for your feedback and sharing. Referencing is an important ingredient in learning, teaching and researching so I hope there are upcoming complementary modules and solutions to WIKINDX which has a plug-in now. I would really like to see a Zotero plug-in such as the one for WordPress. Let's share our experience further down the road.
Kind regards,
Jonas
Thanks Alexandre and ATW for your feedback and sharing. Referencing is an important ingredient in learning, teaching and researching so I hope there are upcoming complementary modules and solutions to WIKINDX which has a plug-in now. I would really like to see a Zotero plug-in such as the one for WordPress. Let's share our experience further down the road.
Kind regards,
Jonas
You know, one thing which makes a lot of sense with Zotero is that it brings academic references closer to social bookmarking. If students are already doing social bookmarking, it could be easy to get them to do proper academic references. With a rather high proportion of undergraduate students and with a significant number of graduate students, this can be a non-trivial task.
So, the idea here might be to have reference software and social bookmarking all rolled up into one. In fact, Diigo (thanks, A.T., for making it more visible) might be a good basis for this as it already promotes "active reading" (highlight and comment, for instance). RefWorks has a RefShare feature which allows people to share bibliographies in a database format. Sharing links isn't very different from sharing bibliographic references and this type of "sharing" something that is already done by large numbers of people (in my mind, it's a rather large part of what people call "social" in terms of "Web 2.0").
Thinking out loud, here...
In Moodle, along with the "Insert a Web link" button, there could be an "insert a reference" button. Pressing that button would bring up a Zotero database for the class (with participant-specific sub-databases). Click on the right reference(s) (which already include page numbers), and you get context-appropriate citations, say in author-date or in footnotes. Once the text is done, a bibliography is automatically generated. Each citation would have an embedded link to its source and to the user's notes on that reference.
Of course, the same mechanism could be used for quoting. Click on a button, choose a quote, it comes complete with the full citation information and it's already in blockquote format. It's possible to tweak the quote (adding ellipses) but the citation data remains intact.
One way to preventing plagiarism might be to make referencing seamless and straightforward.
Again, thinking out loud.
Yes, I thought some of the same things. Like having Diigo produce drag and drop references (that was one of the most exciting features of zotero for me!). Perhaps I have not figured it out yet, but I still find it daunting to organize and search via tags only. I still like making lists/collections and categorizing bookmarks that way. In diigo, I can make personal lists, but I have not figured out how to make lists for my group. I would also like to be able to tag multiple items at once (making it easier to further tag existing bookmarks when you come up for a new use for them).
I think that students fall victim to poor organization and insufficient skill most of the time. I have few that actually buy a paper and turn it in, but many who "forget" to cite or create text mashups (arrgh!!) as papers. If we had a great reference tool that helped with a) storage and organization, b) sharing with like minded folks, and c) easy citations I believe we could decrease the temptation and commission of plagiarism.
Having a moodle plugin would be great. I, as instructor, could add all the metadata for resources I provide through my moodle course, and students could click a button to export that information straight into their bookmarking tool and then commence with the commenting and sharing. Or something like that!
atw
I think that students fall victim to poor organization and insufficient skill most of the time. I have few that actually buy a paper and turn it in, but many who "forget" to cite or create text mashups (arrgh!!) as papers. If we had a great reference tool that helped with a) storage and organization, b) sharing with like minded folks, and c) easy citations I believe we could decrease the temptation and commission of plagiarism.
Having a moodle plugin would be great. I, as instructor, could add all the metadata for resources I provide through my moodle course, and students could click a button to export that information straight into their bookmarking tool and then commence with the commenting and sharing. Or something like that!
atw
YES!
And there are such clear pedagogical advantages of such a system. Students can collaboratively work on the text, keep the outputs of that collaboration handy, cite sources seamlessly (even with automatic links), etc.
I want this. I wish I could build it.
About text mashups. Couldn't they become useful if, indeed, they were properly referenced? Maybe I'm too much of an insider to mashup culture but I hear value in the kind of "overlapping voices" in a textual collage, even when there's relatively little "content" which is completely new.
My objection to the mashups is mostly the superficiality. I generally find little original thought in the patchwork of content. It appears to be mostly whatever comes up in the first 10 links on google. . .
IMHO, you really need an original thesis (or semi-original) before you commence mashing.
atw
IMHO, you really need an original thesis (or semi-original) before you commence mashing.
atw
Fair enough (obviously).
To think out loud even more, about text mashups...
I just see some value in a kind of "text mashup activity," at some point in the process. Maybe like an annotated bibliography in view of a review article or even as a latter part in a semester-long project which includes a relatively elaborate project plan, and some original work. If the type of source is specified in advance (e.g., blog entries, articles from peer-reviewed journals, clippings from newspaper articles), there might be more motivation to dig deeper. If the sources are in a citation manager like Zotero, it might be a nice way to lead students to use databases. It wouldn't be too hard to require that students add at least something to each reference in the mashup to see what they got from the excerpt.
The reason the text mashup sounds like an interesting exercise is that many students seem theatened by long-form writing and/or were insufficently trained at writing long-form text, a skill they may not use that much at other points in their lives (unless they follow an academic or bureaucratic path). We should, of course, provide adequate training for long-form writing. It's not an either/or situation.
Simply put, a text mashup may be a non-threatening/low-stake way to get students to think textually.
Things are especially difficult, IMHO, when the notion is that they're constantly graded on "writing skills," regardless of the nature of the assignment they do. In some cases, say with music students, it might be appropriate to have text-centric assignments which are creative and original (text collage) and quite elaborate (in number of words) yet seem less demanding in terms of formal writing style than the traditional "term paper."
A major problem which remains, in terms of a text mashup, is improper citation (the lazy form of plagiarism). Integrating a reference tool like Zotero might make this issue moot or, even better, help train students to properly cite and reference. Even when we require the use of a citation/reference/bibliography manager, students may try to follow the path of least resistence. Citing sources doesn't need to be difficult nor time-consuming. It just needs to be done carefully. In some cases (between two blog entries or in a forum while commenting about a newspaper article), providing a web link is quite sufficient. In other cases, more precision may be required (page number, section, anchored text).
No?
Maybe I'm going on too many limbs at the same time.
Doesn't this part of their terms of agreement bother you though:
" By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to Diigo.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services."
" By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to Diigo.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services."
The absolutely WORST example of a sweepingly defined user policy (where the user has no rights and the service has all the rights) that I have ever seen has to be ustream.tv. I agree that you are correct though, this is pretty bad if you were storing any content on their system. The only thing is that with bookmarks, you are not creating any content. Perhaps they have plans for additional services in the future??
atw
atw
I suspect that most users just don't believe that licence terms will ever affect them, and don't read them.
Ustream.tv display these (lengthy) terms in a fixed-size window that is narrower than the text.
Hypothetically, when the technology becomes available, they could construct a 3D holographic simulcrum and make it perform arbitrary acts in an audience-controlled interactive experience...
If I set an assignment for school students to, say, post a spoof ad on Ustream, and one of them later becomes a celebrity... No, I cannot direct students to use this service due to its terms of use.
Ustream.tv display these (lengthy) terms in a fixed-size window that is narrower than the text.
...you hereby grant Ustream.tv a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, sublicensable, perpetual and irrevocable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works based on, perform, display, publish, distribute, transmit, broadcast and otherwise exploit such User Submissions in any form, medium or technology now known or later developed, including without limitation on the Site and third party websites.
Hypothetically, when the technology becomes available, they could construct a 3D holographic simulcrum and make it perform arbitrary acts in an audience-controlled interactive experience...
If I set an assignment for school students to, say, post a spoof ad on Ustream, and one of them later becomes a celebrity... No, I cannot direct students to use this service due to its terms of use.
Diigo is So Cool, but I am troubled by two questions.
1. Does Diigo really want me to pay attention to content permissions? The most prolific members will not have time to find and read the licence on every page they tag and share. (Really: no-one will.) We rely on 'Fair Use' rights, and Diigo relies on 'Safe Harbor' provisions in the DMCA, but these (including the right to cache pages) are subject to future US court decisions in a currently contentious field of law. Diigo content is too impermanent for professional academic work.
2. Diigo is really cool in the collaborative idea-generation stage of a project, but in a higher-education setting, when the project becomes 'commercially sensitive', we may want to remove our work from Diigo (so it doesn't bias the weight given to tags and pages, as seen by outsiders) and bring it into our internal information systems. If I delete my bookmarks/annotations in Diigo, does that extinguish Diigo's licence to use them? Diigo content may be too public for professional academic work.
Am I talking about a real problem, or do I just not get it? Is my thinking about university business 'So Twentieth Century'?
Russell
1. Does Diigo really want me to pay attention to content permissions? The most prolific members will not have time to find and read the licence on every page they tag and share. (Really: no-one will.) We rely on 'Fair Use' rights, and Diigo relies on 'Safe Harbor' provisions in the DMCA, but these (including the right to cache pages) are subject to future US court decisions in a currently contentious field of law. Diigo content is too impermanent for professional academic work.
2. Diigo is really cool in the collaborative idea-generation stage of a project, but in a higher-education setting, when the project becomes 'commercially sensitive', we may want to remove our work from Diigo (so it doesn't bias the weight given to tags and pages, as seen by outsiders) and bring it into our internal information systems. If I delete my bookmarks/annotations in Diigo, does that extinguish Diigo's licence to use them? Diigo content may be too public for professional academic work.
Am I talking about a real problem, or do I just not get it? Is my thinking about university business 'So Twentieth Century'?
Russell
I use Diigo with my students. It is a quick way for us to share and comment, in some small ways like those horrible article abstracts I had to do in every class as an undergraduate! 
I think it is better for "tasting" what it out there, and the transitory state of some of the content doesn't bother us at all. Our focus is mostly on what is new and relevant, not what is seminal in the field. Library databases are still the best for that!
If I were doing anything commercially sensitive, I would certainly NOT be using Diigo. For that kind of thing, I think you would be far and away ahead to use endnote or something else client-based. Read: private and controllable by myself and only myself!
I agree with you that the use policies are troubling in the main. Flickr's is interesting in that it says that if you delete your content then you are also freed of the agreement.
I talked about this very issue with my students the other day. We can be very enamored of all these cool whizbang services out there, but unless you have a contract and a for-pay situation, you might be putting yourself AND YOUR STUDENTS at some risk. I have decided NOT to use certain services over this issue from time to time. Maybe I should not be using Diigo either!
I guess I need to go check the agreements for wikispaces, tiddlyspot, and pbwiki. I could have skimmed over something pertinent!
atw
I think it is better for "tasting" what it out there, and the transitory state of some of the content doesn't bother us at all. Our focus is mostly on what is new and relevant, not what is seminal in the field. Library databases are still the best for that!If I were doing anything commercially sensitive, I would certainly NOT be using Diigo. For that kind of thing, I think you would be far and away ahead to use endnote or something else client-based. Read: private and controllable by myself and only myself!
I agree with you that the use policies are troubling in the main. Flickr's is interesting in that it says that if you delete your content then you are also freed of the agreement.
I talked about this very issue with my students the other day. We can be very enamored of all these cool whizbang services out there, but unless you have a contract and a for-pay situation, you might be putting yourself AND YOUR STUDENTS at some risk. I have decided NOT to use certain services over this issue from time to time. Maybe I should not be using Diigo either!
I guess I need to go check the agreements for wikispaces, tiddlyspot, and pbwiki. I could have skimmed over something pertinent!
atw
Youtube and Facebook have similar terms as well. Basically, all commercial sites are like that.
Did anyone look at the Zotero and RefWorks terms? I haven't but it might be a good idea to do so before getting students too involved. The issue might be less about distributing "content" to third-party commercial entitites and more with privacy in general, given issues librarians have faced in recent years.
These terms on the face of things are quite disturbing- though i like the flickr model- as it puts you in some control. It's not unlike though, the terms of use on something like second life or many others- you really don't have much power if something goes wrong or they choose to abuse you. come to think of it, i have very little power when sprint ( a big cellular carrier in the us) screws me on my bill - it's not so much about enforcing terms, as fighting the fight. They can beat me down by doing what they do (making me pay or reporting me to credit bureaus) much more easily than i can fight them. It's not at all a fair playing field.
I think about what I would do if I had created a really cool video - for which, unlike most, I actually cared about IP issues (bad grammar here, i know). Would I put it on youtube? Other places? What if I lost ALL my rights to it?
In my world (community college teacher, moodle pimp, web 2.0 tools evangelist and trainer, etc..) the money comes not from the content, but from me getting paid to present or train. The rest is more like promo for me. If we take any number of popular videos, from numa numa to chocolate rain to the history of dance... isn't this always the case? How often does it really happen that you regret giving up rights to your work?
I'm going to put out that while it rubs us the wrong way in our gut, it's actually of little consequence. Even if Madonna, or Sting, or Kissinger (rot his soul) had put something out that was in no way protected- it still wouldn't apply to NEW work... so what's the downside? They've lost possible revenue to the old work? Would they have made money anyway?
I think for most of us, the fear of losing some future hypothetical revenue is irrational... how many really will make money from the kind of content we put out there on these sites? I really don't think that's where the money comes from. The recognition however is given to the creator, regardless of who has the rights- so you keep that regardless. If your life is based on that recognition, you're still doing alright, are you not?
d.i.
I think about what I would do if I had created a really cool video - for which, unlike most, I actually cared about IP issues (bad grammar here, i know). Would I put it on youtube? Other places? What if I lost ALL my rights to it?
In my world (community college teacher, moodle pimp, web 2.0 tools evangelist and trainer, etc..) the money comes not from the content, but from me getting paid to present or train. The rest is more like promo for me. If we take any number of popular videos, from numa numa to chocolate rain to the history of dance... isn't this always the case? How often does it really happen that you regret giving up rights to your work?
I'm going to put out that while it rubs us the wrong way in our gut, it's actually of little consequence. Even if Madonna, or Sting, or Kissinger (rot his soul) had put something out that was in no way protected- it still wouldn't apply to NEW work... so what's the downside? They've lost possible revenue to the old work? Would they have made money anyway?
I think for most of us, the fear of losing some future hypothetical revenue is irrational... how many really will make money from the kind of content we put out there on these sites? I really don't think that's where the money comes from. The recognition however is given to the creator, regardless of who has the rights- so you keep that regardless. If your life is based on that recognition, you're still doing alright, are you not?
d.i.
Hi, D. I.!
I do follow the same sort of reasoning for *myself*. If I had anything that was popular, I usually would be pleased to give it away. I can't envision actually making any substantial amount of money on any of my work, outside of my classroom.
But I have actually run into some situations where this could matter. For example, suppose our institution has a well-known alumni. If we invited that person to speak via ustream and had the whole chat thing going on the side, hosted and linked to it for later access by students and faculty, then wouldn't ustream be able to use that content for whatever purpose they wanted? (especially advertising?) If this person was the head of a large multinational company, what could develop? I should think that any person who is at the top of his or her company or field would have a vested interest in control. I can't imagine them agreeing to this sort of arrangement, since they don't necessarily enjoy the same sort of publicity that some celebrities seem to accept. The same goes for students, although in their case the problem is in the future not in the present. The problem isn't so much about me, it is about them. It does influence my choices as an instructor.
atw
I do follow the same sort of reasoning for *myself*. If I had anything that was popular, I usually would be pleased to give it away. I can't envision actually making any substantial amount of money on any of my work, outside of my classroom.
But I have actually run into some situations where this could matter. For example, suppose our institution has a well-known alumni. If we invited that person to speak via ustream and had the whole chat thing going on the side, hosted and linked to it for later access by students and faculty, then wouldn't ustream be able to use that content for whatever purpose they wanted? (especially advertising?) If this person was the head of a large multinational company, what could develop? I should think that any person who is at the top of his or her company or field would have a vested interest in control. I can't imagine them agreeing to this sort of arrangement, since they don't necessarily enjoy the same sort of publicity that some celebrities seem to accept. The same goes for students, although in their case the problem is in the future not in the present. The problem isn't so much about me, it is about them. It does influence my choices as an instructor.
atw
AT-
I agree that in that specific set of circumstances it's trickier. One that is similar is when you pay an expensive keynote speaker (i.e. 5-10k for one speech) and record it as part of your 3-day conference (as is common) and then put that up. On the one hand, I could see them objecting- but would they really turn down the 10k if that were a condition? Certainly none of these are getting exclusive rights -- so in that case perhaps one could even swipe a professionally done copy off the site or link back to it for ones own purposes.
it's tricky, no doubt. I think about all the simpsons sites that got brought down by cease and desist (or for that matter, some moodle support people) when in fact they were arguably PRO whoever was stopping them. I mean, what harm does hosting simpson mp3 voices do to fox or to the show- if anything it's supports the fan base.
However, some folks and companies are all about control- fox wants to control how the simpsons is seen. Many other companies are very protective of their brands - in fact probably every fortune 500. I do wonder what would happen if they let loose though. Would it really hurt them that much?
but that's a big ol digression. I guess at the end of it all we have to stick with the idea that the exception does not make the rule- so until that exception becomes the norm, it shouldn't dictate policy.
For my purposes wikipedia and youtube are great for research (into sustainable building design) and until somebody puts out an article on building your own composting toilet that turns out to blow up my participant, I'm likely as not to believe the vids on youtube are honestly showing decent ideas and ways of doing things.
Ultimately, if I can go commercial (not my goal, but moodle, second life, and web 2.0 consulting have been providing me fairly consistent income, and that was never in the plan) I'd love to have my name all over youtube- and it'll lead to more business, not less. In fact I've even gotten a paid invite to Sweden - based on a meeting in Second Life!
So even the bigtime exec ought to really think the "control" thing thru. Perhaps it's giving up control that's allowing Google to eat Microsoft's lunch...
d.i.
ps- sorry, a bit of a rambling post- two classes in progress, family visiting, good music in my ears....
I agree that in that specific set of circumstances it's trickier. One that is similar is when you pay an expensive keynote speaker (i.e. 5-10k for one speech) and record it as part of your 3-day conference (as is common) and then put that up. On the one hand, I could see them objecting- but would they really turn down the 10k if that were a condition? Certainly none of these are getting exclusive rights -- so in that case perhaps one could even swipe a professionally done copy off the site or link back to it for ones own purposes.
it's tricky, no doubt. I think about all the simpsons sites that got brought down by cease and desist (or for that matter, some moodle support people) when in fact they were arguably PRO whoever was stopping them. I mean, what harm does hosting simpson mp3 voices do to fox or to the show- if anything it's supports the fan base.
However, some folks and companies are all about control- fox wants to control how the simpsons is seen. Many other companies are very protective of their brands - in fact probably every fortune 500. I do wonder what would happen if they let loose though. Would it really hurt them that much?
but that's a big ol digression. I guess at the end of it all we have to stick with the idea that the exception does not make the rule- so until that exception becomes the norm, it shouldn't dictate policy.
For my purposes wikipedia and youtube are great for research (into sustainable building design) and until somebody puts out an article on building your own composting toilet that turns out to blow up my participant, I'm likely as not to believe the vids on youtube are honestly showing decent ideas and ways of doing things.
Ultimately, if I can go commercial (not my goal, but moodle, second life, and web 2.0 consulting have been providing me fairly consistent income, and that was never in the plan) I'd love to have my name all over youtube- and it'll lead to more business, not less. In fact I've even gotten a paid invite to Sweden - based on a meeting in Second Life!
So even the bigtime exec ought to really think the "control" thing thru. Perhaps it's giving up control that's allowing Google to eat Microsoft's lunch...
d.i.
ps- sorry, a bit of a rambling post- two classes in progress, family visiting, good music in my ears....
As I was just correcting one of my students' exercises that they do using the essay question in the quizzes, I was wondering, how hard would it be to incorporate some Diigo functionality into Moodle? I'm thinking in particular of the highlighting and commenting. It would be great to highlight a student's mistakes and then stick a comment explaining what is wrong rather than have to use a separate form for writing this up.
I really want to play more with Zotero. I'm sure you are aware of the online assignment type and the option to have the text the student writes brought in to the teachers comments (inline text). I used that to save time and then simply used underlining and emphasizing (bold) to insert comments. Might that be useful to you? Peace - Anthony
Yes, I really liked your thinking out loud thoughts! This would be useful and stimulating.
Best,
Jonas
Best,
Jonas
Interestingly enough, a friend of mine was at a Zotero workshop just yesterday and she told me about the centralised database. Like A.T., the "hostage content" aspect is one of the main reasons I haven't been using Zotero more. Sending things to "The Cloud" will surely help.
My other issue is browser support. I tend to use a variety of browsers on a variety of platforms, sometimes on computers which don't belong to me.
For these reasons (and because I have access to it), I tend to rely more on RefWorks than on Zotero. Sure, it's very different in concept. Not as geeky. But it's been working very well for me and is easy to integrate with anything Web-based.
I never checked: Is there a RefWorks module in Moodle?
This is a very interesting thread, and clearly Zotero is one to watch. I installed it and tried to import my 2k+ refs database but hit problems and can't find a way for Zotero to replace Endnote in my work. As is often said, data is king.
However, I did find a reference to some people using Zotero to gather references online, then importing them to Endnote. At present, it seems that Zotero has limited styles and the range of styles and the style editor in Endnote is better.
However, I did find a reference to some people using Zotero to gather references online, then importing them to Endnote. At present, it seems that Zotero has limited styles and the range of styles and the style editor in Endnote is better.
My colleague and I have crossed the first of 3 big hurdles in getting release time (significant at half of our teaching load for two semesters, each) in order to build and analyze a sustainable workshop that integrates solar thermal, photovoltaic, greywater, rainwater cachement, composting toilets, etc... We're looking at using a standard 40' cargo container as the basic shell.
One of our tasks now is to get our dog and pony show in order to satisfy our credentials person before she passes it on to the VP that will give it final approval. They're telling us we need a bibliography, which for the first cut just ended up being a long list of categorized links to the web- mostly youtube videos and wikipedia articles, but also many organization sites.
Would zotero help us with this? If anyone is interested, this is what we have - not really even a bibliography, but enough to get a pretty good idea of what we're looking at, if you had time to look at all of it.
As awful as it sounds, I'm just trying to give them something that'll impress them - for my part I'd rather get cracking on the project, and making nicely formatted 3-ring binders is less important to that than actually implementing some of what's in these vide.
Any related ideas welcome- or if you or someone you know is big on the green/sustainable design side and cares to mentor us, we're all ears.
But since i'm on this thread, wondering if zotero would help us organized these bookmarks better, or if any of you have clever ways to make such a list look super spiffy.
d.i.
One of our tasks now is to get our dog and pony show in order to satisfy our credentials person before she passes it on to the VP that will give it final approval. They're telling us we need a bibliography, which for the first cut just ended up being a long list of categorized links to the web- mostly youtube videos and wikipedia articles, but also many organization sites.
Would zotero help us with this? If anyone is interested, this is what we have - not really even a bibliography, but enough to get a pretty good idea of what we're looking at, if you had time to look at all of it.
As awful as it sounds, I'm just trying to give them something that'll impress them - for my part I'd rather get cracking on the project, and making nicely formatted 3-ring binders is less important to that than actually implementing some of what's in these vide.
Any related ideas welcome- or if you or someone you know is big on the green/sustainable design side and cares to mentor us, we're all ears.
But since i'm on this thread, wondering if zotero would help us organized these bookmarks better, or if any of you have clever ways to make such a list look super spiffy.
d.i.