It's probably time to put my hand up. I'm about half way through writing a module which covers some of this ground but it's not a general "content store". It's coming from the assignment direction.
Basically I want an assignment where, as a teacher, I put up a set of "Specimen" pieces of work, get the students to comment on/grade them, add their own pieces of work and then let others comment/grade them. And if that's not enough, all the time the teacher is grading the student comments. It's actually a "relaxed" version of the peer graded assignment module with a few tweaks. I say relaxed as this new assignment has only one deadline (the PG module has two) and the assignment can rumble along for some time, students can, if allowed, resubmit work with hopefully the quality improving over time. The other diference is that the students do NOT get the chance to comment on the comments make by other students (although they can see them). The teacher does the meta-grading, that's their job.
Provisionally I've given this module the title "Gallery". The teacher "shows off" some example pieces of work, they could be all good or all bad or good and bad. The students "get up to speed" by commenting on them. They then have a go themselves and get the "flak" from their classmates. The teacher's there as a guiding light(!) and policeman. By the end the class has created a Gallery of Work where everyone can tell the good from the bad. For some assignments producing would be more important than judging, others may be the other way round.The teacher can weight the final grade accordingly (as in the PG module).
I think the interface will be better than the PG module and will allow the viewing all the pieces of work as an option. As it is at the moment the thing is completely anonymous, both the items and the comments can't be traced back to the originators (that's another difference from the PG module where the file path gives the user's id number away.) That anonymity could be an option but students will probably be more comfortable working anonymously.
I'm hoping the module will see the light of day in a couple of weeks. Any thoughts on the name would be very welcome, and an icon!
Re: Files area for students (for presentations, portfolios etc)
by Ray Kingdon -
Number of replies: 28
In reply to Ray Kingdon
Re: Files area for students (for presentations, portfolios etc)
by Martin Dougiamas -
This is almost exactly what I had in mind for the "presentation" module. 
The main difference is that the presentations were going to be put up by students or groups rather than the teacher.
I actually implemented this in Perl for a course of mine in 1999 - it sat inside WebCT. Students could grade and comment on each presentation - then each group could see the feedback they'd received (anonymised) while the teacher saw all the feedback arranged by author, in a form where they could meta-grade each student.
Obviously, student file areas will not really be an issue in your new module, since I assume you'll just use the teacher files, is that right?
I actually implemented this in Perl for a course of mine in 1999 - it sat inside WebCT. Students could grade and comment on each presentation - then each group could see the feedback they'd received (anonymised) while the teacher saw all the feedback arranged by author, in a form where they could meta-grade each student.
Obviously, student file areas will not really be an issue in your new module, since I assume you'll just use the teacher files, is that right?
In reply to Martin Dougiamas
Re: Files area for students (for presentations, portfolios etc)
by Ray Kingdon -
The module could be used with or without grading. When grading is switched on the teacher creates a grading "sheet" (a la the PG module). At the moment the meta-grading is a simple score.
I've taken my lead from the assignment module and put the files into something like ..moddata(?)/courseid/gallery/galleryid/submissionid/filename. That is, each file is put into its own directory. Looking at this, the galleryid bit is redundant as the submission id will increment over all galleries (and courses but let's not go down that road!). I'll probably drop the galleryid level.The files need to go into individual directories so that the filename can be (easily) preserved. (Someone once said that a filestore is nothing but a database so use it like one.) Putting the file into a submissionid directory (as opposed to a userid directory) makes the file anonymous (although of course the module knows who submitted the file from the submission record) and allows multiple submissions.
I'm still worrying over the name, does "Gallery" sound like an assignment? "Presentation" is something which is more likely to involve some assessment. But have you got something else in mind for Presentations?
I'd like to reserve "presentation" if you don't mind. The module I'm thinking of is more closely analagous to the common class activity of presenting a group project to the class.
I like the name "gallery" but it has potential to be confused with photo galleries (maybe not, though).
"critique"? "examples"? "display"? "comparison"?
I don't suppose it can fit in as a submodule of "assignment"?
(new thread?
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I like the name "gallery" but it has potential to be confused with photo galleries (maybe not, though).
"critique"? "examples"? "display"? "comparison"?
I don't suppose it can fit in as a submodule of "assignment"?
(new thread?
Perhaps Projects?
I'm not keen on the name "presentation" either for this new module. It immediately associates with PowerPoint in my mind as part of my job is teaching MS Office. "Projects" is used for independent work which, although it's normally assessed does not usually involve sharing the process or outcomes with others in the class. The current Assignment module includes Projects (apart from possibly Group Projects). I'll carry on with the working name of Gallery as that's got some of the right connotations of display, critique and judging.
In your WebCT in-add (written in the language we don't mention here
) were the students "staged" in the sense that they had to assess the examples before they could submit before they could assess others before they could see other students comments on their own work? I'm worrying about getting the engagement of the weaker students, (the stronger ones will always "play the game"!) I can imagine the weaker students just waiting for the deadline and submitting a piece of work without doing any of the interesting stuff if they are not forced to interact. Any thoughts on the mechanics involved would be most helpful.
In your WebCT in-add (written in the language we don't mention here
For some reason I'd totally missed the bit about student's submissions where you originally described this module - I understood it to be teacher's examples only. My bad - I must "Read carefully"!
Now Gallery is sounding even more similar to Presentation than I had at first thought, especially if the teacher's examples are optional. I can see a lot of teachers using Powerpoints in here, as well as multi-page web sites, images etc. Your module would definitely benefit from being able to piggy-back on a Student File Area, I would think. Even the teacher examples could re-use examples from past years.
As for dynamics, grades are always a good driver. My old system wasn't really staged, but because the teacher was grading individual students based on the comments they'd MADE there was plenty of incentive to write good comments. Group projects were graded based on comments RECEIVED, so there was incentive to get the projects up early (they were web sites). Plus I hassled the stragglers.
One restriction that would make good sense, I think, would be that you can't see any of the other student submissions until you submit your own.
I'm looking forward to seeing your module!
Do you want me to set up a poll here in 'Using Moodle' to get some feedback on names? (Presentation has the edge over Gallery for me at the moment ).
Now Gallery is sounding even more similar to Presentation than I had at first thought, especially if the teacher's examples are optional. I can see a lot of teachers using Powerpoints in here, as well as multi-page web sites, images etc. Your module would definitely benefit from being able to piggy-back on a Student File Area, I would think. Even the teacher examples could re-use examples from past years.
As for dynamics, grades are always a good driver. My old system wasn't really staged, but because the teacher was grading individual students based on the comments they'd MADE there was plenty of incentive to write good comments. Group projects were graded based on comments RECEIVED, so there was incentive to get the projects up early (they were web sites). Plus I hassled the stragglers.
One restriction that would make good sense, I think, would be that you can't see any of the other student submissions until you submit your own.
I'm looking forward to seeing your module!
Do you want me to set up a poll here in 'Using Moodle' to get some feedback on names? (Presentation has the edge over Gallery for me at the moment
Thanks for this, I've now written an overview of the new module. I've called it Another Assignment Module just to be on the safe side
You'll see a few restrictions tacked on the back of the document. A Student File Area would remove most of these. The assignment I have in my mind's eye is actually Powerpoint presentations and there I'm getting the students to think multimedia - all images, sounds, lights and action! The better ones include a sound track and that usually means an external file. So a multi-file submission mechanism would be great.
A poll on the module name would be interesting, comments on the Overview very welcome too.
You'll see a few restrictions tacked on the back of the document. A Student File Area would remove most of these. The assignment I have in my mind's eye is actually Powerpoint presentations and there I'm getting the students to think multimedia - all images, sounds, lights and action! The better ones include a sound track and that usually means an external file. So a multi-file submission mechanism would be great.
A poll on the module name would be interesting, comments on the Overview very welcome too.
Looks excellent, Ray, sounds quite flexible! (sorry about my delay in replying - big stuff often gets passed over in favour of the quick and easy job!)
I'll set up a poll ASAP. What should the options be? So far we have "Gallery", "Presentation", "Case Study" .. any more? Anyone?
I'll set up a poll ASAP. What should the options be? So far we have "Gallery", "Presentation", "Case Study" .. any more? Anyone?
How's about "Showcase", "Workroom" and "Workshop". Of these I quite like both Workroom and Workshop, both have the correct flavour of dropping in to produce something and also possibly discussing other pieces of work.
How does STUDIO sound... I do like the idea of a production facility in some fashion..
I've posted the poll (please let me know if anything's wrong with it)
In case you're curious ...
Currently (after 71 votes) "workshop" is leading with 35 votes. After that is studio (11), showcase (11), project (6), presentation (4), and gallery (3).
I'll leave it open for another week or so.
Currently (after 71 votes) "workshop" is leading with 35 votes. After that is studio (11), showcase (11), project (6), presentation (4), and gallery (3).
I'll leave it open for another week or so.
It's quite clear from the poll and other comments that the overwhelmingly favourite name is "workshop". It's not what I originally voted for but I must say it's become my favourite too.
Thanks to everyone for their input - I'd like to move the discussion about the new module over to the Activity Modules forum, and I invite Ray to post there as news comes to hand.
Thanks to everyone for their input - I'd like to move the discussion about the new module over to the Activity Modules forum, and I invite Ray to post there as news comes to hand.
Why don't you give this module a French flavor and call it simply ATELIER ?
Why not!
Why not English, in that case?
I think there is enough trouble finding a name already without opening the field this way.
Bear in mind this name is NOT necessarily the name that will appear on the page (even in English). It is just a short module name that can be used for directories, URLs etc. Of course it would be better if the module-name and the displayed English name were the same.
The French translation may very well display "Atelier" if that is the best translation.
I think there is enough trouble finding a name already without opening the field this way.
Bear in mind this name is NOT necessarily the name that will appear on the page (even in English). It is just a short module name that can be used for directories, URLs etc. Of course it would be better if the module-name and the displayed English name were the same.
The French translation may very well display "Atelier" if that is the best translation.
I agree with you Martin, a short handy name, easy to spell and that tells what it is...
Ray! this looks very interesting Good work!
Hi,
I am new to Moodle, but I have already learnt that there are a great bunch of people behind it.
Now, please don't laugh when I tell you that we are setting up moodle to deliver distance education in Beer Tasting.
Ray's new module seems to take a step in the right direction for one of our challenges - beer appreciation is a very practicle skill to try to teach, and is best done by tasting beer and describing the sensations that you perceive - in effect this is a lab or tutorial setting rather than 'research and discuss'.
I intend to overcome this by conducting 'tutored tastings' where a facilitator will fill out a beer evaluation score sheet with their impressions, and then ask the students to taste the same beer and record their impressions. I have attached a draft copy of the tasting score sheet.
I started to look at developing my own quizz module as this sheet is just a jumbo version of the multiple choice quizz, but now I think that Ray's idea may be more appropriate.
We seem to have the same need for the Teacher to demonstrate -> students do their own work -> and the results are compared and discussed.
So, I would see it more as a 'Workshop' or 'Tutorial' activity.
Thanks for a great product,
David
I am new to Moodle, but I have already learnt that there are a great bunch of people behind it.
Now, please don't laugh when I tell you that we are setting up moodle to deliver distance education in Beer Tasting.
Ray's new module seems to take a step in the right direction for one of our challenges - beer appreciation is a very practicle skill to try to teach, and is best done by tasting beer and describing the sensations that you perceive - in effect this is a lab or tutorial setting rather than 'research and discuss'.
I intend to overcome this by conducting 'tutored tastings' where a facilitator will fill out a beer evaluation score sheet with their impressions, and then ask the students to taste the same beer and record their impressions. I have attached a draft copy of the tasting score sheet.
I started to look at developing my own quizz module as this sheet is just a jumbo version of the multiple choice quizz, but now I think that Ray's idea may be more appropriate.
We seem to have the same need for the Teacher to demonstrate -> students do their own work -> and the results are compared and discussed.
So, I would see it more as a 'Workshop' or 'Tutorial' activity.
Thanks for a great product,
David
Portfolio or Case Analysis might confuse matters, I will throw them in anyway.
Peer Review... Peer Analysis...
Jeff Watkins
The module name should capture the idea of 'peer' and 'assessment' somehow, which "gallery', 'showcase' etc. don't really do. Something like Structured Peer Assessment Module which sounded promising to me .... until I saw that the unfortunate acronym would be SPAM
In fact Ray has previously made another module called "Peer Graded Assignment" (pgassignment) which has an even more structured method of assessment. You can try it out in the Demo 103 course if you like.
I'm wondering if there's going to be some confusion here between these two modules - they are similar in many ways.
I'm wondering if there's going to be some confusion here between these two modules - they are similar in many ways.
I second (or third....) the necessity for some indication of the idea of "peer" being implied/included in the name but would also like to see something of the idea of the developing "critical thinking" without sounding too, er, critical...after a digression to search for ideas I can only add (at this moment) :
autocatalysis ( from http://www.bartleby.com/61/35/A0533500.html )
Catalysis of a chemical reaction by one of the products of the reaction.
which gets to the dynamic for me but does not sound too good...
All of the current suggestions in the poll seem misleading or too general ( and therefor likely to cause problems when some other module is developed equally or better suited to the name. e.g. when I saw "presentation" I thought of "slideshows" ).
The module sounds very good though!
autocatalysis ( from http://www.bartleby.com/61/35/A0533500.html )
Catalysis of a chemical reaction by one of the products of the reaction.
which gets to the dynamic for me but does not sound too good...
All of the current suggestions in the poll seem misleading or too general ( and therefor likely to cause problems when some other module is developed equally or better suited to the name. e.g. when I saw "presentation" I thought of "slideshows" ).
The module sounds very good though!
Martin wrote: "I'm wondering if there's going to be some confusion here between these two modules - they are similar in many ways."
I think there could be some confusion between the two peer-graded modules. I'm also wondering whether a new name is needed here. Aren't they both - after all - assignments? Why not have three types of assignment grading systems (teacher-graded, Ray's peer-graded assignment and the other peer-graded assignment) and three types of submission modes (offline, uploaded, and multi-file - if I remember correctly, some kind of mini-website upload type is planned). This I think would be most intuitive for both students and teachers.
I think there could be some confusion between the two peer-graded modules. I'm also wondering whether a new name is needed here. Aren't they both - after all - assignments? Why not have three types of assignment grading systems (teacher-graded, Ray's peer-graded assignment and the other peer-graded assignment) and three types of submission modes (offline, uploaded, and multi-file - if I remember correctly, some kind of mini-website upload type is planned). This I think would be most intuitive for both students and teachers.
I especilally would like the multi-file upload. This feature would really help my classes. Has there been any addition of this in plans?
In reply to Ray Kingdon
Re: Files area for students (for presentations, portfolios etc)
by Tom Murdock -
In reply to Tom Murdock
Re: Files area for students (for presentations, portfolios etc)
by Jeffery Watkins -
I like Peer Workshop. Or, maybe Peer Assessment Workshop... PAW... and have a dog paw...lol.
Jeff
Learning Together : Peer Tutoring in Higher Education
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Peer Assessment - to accent the assesement functionality (PA?) or Peer Workshop - to accent the whole work about the topic (PW?) are my tips for naming. Icon attached.
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