Is this the end of American economic supremacy?

Is this the end of American economic supremacy?

by Max Zúñiga -
Number of replies: 11

This aritcle was written by

John Robson & Andrew Selsby at RH Asset Management Limited, as published in the Onassis Newsletter, a fortnightly newsletter that gives insight into the investment markets.
I do no share their opinions or statements but thought them of interest to share them with you.

American economy: no longer number one

America used to be the world’s biggest exporter but The Economist points out that China’s merchandise exports exceeded America’s in the second half of last year and even more amazingly, China produced more cars than the United States. Very recently it has been reported that Toyota now produce more cars than General Motors, which gives a hollow ring to the old saying “What’s good for General Motors is good for America”.

More surprisingly, but understandable considering its perilous state, the dollar, although preferred by Central Banks as a reserve currency, is no longer the favourite cash for households and firms. There are now more euro notes and coins in circulation than there are dollars.

In the international bond market, the euro, according to the Economist, has displaced the dollar as the main currency.

The Financial Times have separately calculated that the Wall Street stock market capitalisation has now been eclipsed by Europe if you include Russia.

Tongue-in-cheek, the Economist points out that America hasn’t lost first place in everything. By a long way it’s the world’s biggest debtor nation, it uses the most energy and has the biggest prison population!

American economy: losing out to China

It’s fairly evident that the American empire is in inevitable decline, like all empires that have gone before it. As we said in the previous issue, the current rate of China’s economic growth, if maintained, will cause it to double in size about every eight years whereas the developed world is not likely to double in size quicker than every 25 years. Just draw the graph and see the exponential difference if over the next 25 years China doubles, redoubles and redoubles again whilst America doubles only once. Think about the Chindia middle class, growing in size and their standards of living equalising globally as the developed world’s standard of living probably declines to allow the unstoppable developing world’s to improve.

Interestingly, Woody Brock’s most recent published series of essays started with an essay entitled “YEAR 2006 – A GLOBAL TIPPING POINT” – annus horribilis for the USA – we would not wish to steal any of Woody’s thunder by reporting in the newsletter what he may well be addressing in his talk on 25th June, but we can repeat his executive summary on this chapter:

“This past year proved to be a significant tipping point in the global balance of power. More specifically, it is the year in which it became clear that politically, militarily and economically the relative power of the United States has begun significantly to decline. This reverses the 25-year trend towards US ascendancy that emerged from the nadir of post-war US power in 1980. In analyzing the “relative power” of the US, we avoid ambiguity by utilizing the formal definition of relative power based upon the work of Messrs. John Nash and John Harsanyi in game theory.

Among other findings, we note that 2006 was the year when, not only did the US show many signs of weakness – increased risk aversion most notably – but also Russia and China each evidenced far more signs of strength than most observers expected."

Courtesy of Your fellow moodler in Toronto,Canada
Max Zuniga
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Re: Is this the end of American economic supremacy?

by Art Lader -

It’s fairly evident that the American empire is in inevitable decline, like all empires that have gone before it.

Well... Maybe. I guess if things keep going the way they have been lately, we Americans will have to get used to this idea. That might mean a pretty tough future for my 16-year old daughter. Sigh...

I would not count the USA out, though. You never know. Maybe we will bounce right back.

A quarter-century ago, it was "obvious" that the USA was being outstipped by Japan. That seemed like a sure thing, too. I heard it all the time.

Time will tell, I suppose. I am no expert, so I will have to wait and see.

Best regards,
Art

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Post-Empire Living

by Alexandre Enkerli -
Art said:
That might mean a pretty tough future for my 16-year old daughter.
Honest question: why should her future be tough?
A Zimbabwe-born Brit I met in NoHo, MA put it in a very cogent way, in a long discussion about the global scene. As many would agree, life in the UK was pretty difficult when England was a superpower. Nowadays, life is pretty much ok for a number of people all over the UK (despite all sorts of problems that other societies also have). According to him, it's probably nicer living in the UK now than it might have been during the late 19th century. According to my (limited) experience of a few places around the world, I would agree with him.
(Disclaimer: I'm a Québécois of Swiss origins who has lived in a few different parts of Europe, Africa, and North America.)

For those of us who have been born and/or raised in non-Imperial settings, going from a "supremacy" to a welcoming context doesn't sound like so bad a change. All depends on what you want, I guess.

Again, I'm just being honest.
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Re: Post-Empire Living

by Art Lader -

Re: That might mean a pretty tough future for my 16-year old daughter.

I was thinking mostly about economic decline. I sure don't see an upside to that.

Maybe I should think more about the military and political aspects of the article, too. I will take another look.

Thanks,
Art

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Re: Post-Empire Living

by Alexandre Enkerli -
Well, I didn't read the article but, as you note, there has been a lot of talk about "The End of The American Empire" in the last twenty-odd years. Often with explicit connections with other "collapses." Personally, I tend to listen to what these people have to say, keeping my critical thinking fully active. Still, few people seem to think that U.S. domination can be maintained for an extremely long time. And, obviously, many people disagree as to what is meant by "American supremacy."
To be perfectly honest, I don't really understand the economic argument. Yes, the U.S. are economically more powerful than any other institution in today's world. But I'm not really sure what difference it makes in the lives of human beings living in different social and cultural environments. IMHO, ranks in GDP per capita don't seem to correlate very well with how easy life is in regions dominated by those governmental institutions.
Again, it all depends on what you prefer. Personally, these issues have little to do with my decisions to live in one place or another. So far, I've spent the most in numbers 6, 8, 12, and 153 in that same list. In some respects, number 153 was a nicer place to live in than the others.
But that may just be me. wink
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Re: Is this the end of American economic supremacy?

by Max Zúñiga -
I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Mr.Art Lader
for his never ever tiring enthusiasm, and greatest positive atitude
a person with qualities like these, deserves my total respect
and gratitude.
For persons like him,also, I tip my hat,and salute.!!
Hy,: Art
We are lucky to have you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
big grinbig grinbig grin big grin big grin

(If I have any mispelling error ,please forgive me, I wrote this in a hurry )
Thank you,
This is Max Zuniga
from Toronto,Canada
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Re: Is this the end of American economic supremacy?

by Art Lader -
Wow, thanks Max. You seem pretty nice, too. smile

I truly appreciate your kind words and I, too, tip my hat to the many, many Moodlers who have made Moodle.org the special, almost magical creature it is.

-- Art
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Re: Is this the end of American economic supremacy?

by Jan Capek -

I doubt the USA will lose its economic supremacy. There s 4 times less people in the USA than in China. There s democracy in the USA, unlike in pseudo-communist China (come to think of it, this is not a good argumend smile) ). But as someone pointed out above, we ve heard the same about Japan 15 (yes, fifteen) years ago.

What has become reality, however, is that the US lost its moral and philosophical credit in the world. And that s a little sad.

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Re: Is this the end of American economic supremacy?

by Art Lader -
What has become reality, however, is that the US lost its moral and philosophical credit in the world. And that s a little sad.

But we can get it back. I am sure of it. And that is not sad at all.

-- Art
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Re: Is this the end of American economic supremacy?

by Bryan Williams -
What has become reality, however, is that the US lost its moral and philosophical credit in the world. And that s a little sad.

This is not the first time in my life the US has had an image problem, due largely to having mediocre (and self-serving) leadership. During the 1960's we had another President from Texas that lied to the country (and the world) and got us into a war (Vietnam) that had disastrous consequences much like today. He and his successor (Nixon) left office in disgrace, as W certainly will. We did recover from this sad time in our history!

The vast majority of Americans remain hopeful (hopes and dreams are one of our strengths) that when we get a regime change in January 2009 our next group of leaders will reboot the 21st century, and we'll have another go at making things right. Stay tuned.... the best may just be yet to come!
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Re: Is this the end of American economic supremacy?

by Art Lader -
The vast majority of Americans remain hopeful (hopes and dreams are one of our strengths) that when we get a regime change in January 2009 our next group of leaders will reboot the 21st century, and we'll have another go at making things right. Stay tuned.... the best may just be yet to come!

Thanks for posting that, Bryan. Well-said.

I am sure that many Americans will agree with the details of your post and that others will not, but almost everyone will share that optimistic, hopeful vision of the future.

I sure do.

-- Art
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Re: Is this the end of American economic supremacy?

by Josep M. Fontana -
Since I'm now in Africa, I thought this was a relevant, interesting article for this thread:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/13/world/africa/13chinaafrica.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


What the "old" economic/military supremacies have meant for the world is rather well known, what the new ones will mean one can only try to guess.