HotPot: Getting score into Moodle

HotPot: Getting score into Moodle

Gisela Hillenbrand -
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Hi,

I have got a JCross Hot Potatoes Test from a teacher who wants me to integrate it in Moodle.
So I uploaded the *.jcw file to a course, created a Hot Potatoes Test activity with this file. But I cannot see how the grades from the HotPot come into Moodle:
  1. When I finish the test by clicking the check button in the crossword I see my score (but it seems to come directly from the hotpot)
  2. I cannot see the result in Moodle (the scores in the reports are 0%)
  3. I do not come back to the course page.
I am a newbie concerning Hot Potatoes, i.e. I do not know anything about the *.cjw file (but I am willing to learn it 眨眼!) I guess that some settings in that file cause the behaviour described above (score display, no return to course page). I attach the file with this post (sorry, it is in german, but I hope that experts can see the structure anyway).

Thanks in advance for little help!

Gisela
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Re: HotPot: Getting score into Moodle

Gordon Bateson -
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Hi Gisela,
I wonder what version of Moodle you are using?

If you are using Moodle 1.5, then the score is not sent to Moodle until the corssword is finished, i.e. ALL questions have been answered correctly.

If you are using Moodle 1.6 or later, then the score should be recorded even if the quiz is not completed. I will try out the quiz you kindly made available and report back.

regards
Gordon

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Re: HotPot: Getting score into Moodle

Gordon Bateson -
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Hi Gisela,
I uploaded your quiz to my Moodle 1.6 site and the score is reported OK. You can have a look for yourself here:

So at the moment, it looks to me as though the reason the score was not reported for you was that (i) you were using the quiz in Moodle 1.5, and (ii) the quiz was not finished - even though you thought it was wink

However, if you can give some more details, we can analyse the situation further.

best regards
Gordon

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Re: HotPot: Getting score into Moodle

Gisela Hillenbrand -
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Hi Gordon

thank you very much for testing my JCross.

Now I have set up the JCross in my Moodle with the same settings as you to check if the HotPot in my Moodle behaves the same way as in yours.

So some further questions occured:

  1. When is the attempt completed?
    I completely filled out the crosswors (no empty field left) and then clicked the Check button below the crossword. Then I got my score and after clicking OK I got displayed the fields which were correct the wrong fields got blank. Now looking at the report (Overview type) I see my attempt but status "In progress" - same as your attempt. Why? Does the "In progress" status disappear only if I fill out the crossword correctly? I would expect that once the Check-Button in the crossword is clicked, the attempt is completed. To get this behaviour shall I change something in the Crossword source file (maybe there is something like a submit button?) or shall I change something in the hotpot settings in Moodle (e.g. only 1 attempt)?
  2. Report view: Simple statistics
    All questions get 0 points. I guess that is that for JCross there is no "score per question" - is that correct? What type of HotPot would get points in single questions?
  3. Report view: Detailed statistics
    Analysis table: E.g. attempt no. 3, field of Q-1 What do the values mean?
    (No response)
    YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY,YYYYAYYYYYYYYYYYYY
    0% (0,0,2)
    In the help file analysistable.html it is explained what the colors mean. What is meant with "frequencies of ignored answers" and "frequencies of numeric data"?


Actually, the reportcontent.html help file states that in the Overview report abandoned are shown but the attempts in progress are not - is that an error in the help file.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Gisela
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Re: HotPot: Getting score into Moodle

Gordon Bateson -
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> 1. When is the attempt complete?

The attempt is complete when all the questions have been answered correctly. If any questions are not answered, or are answered wrongly, then the attempt is not complete, and it's status is "in progress".

This is a special feature of Hot Potatoes exercises and it makes them different from ordinary tests or quizzes. Hot Potatoes exercises are not intended as tests. They are more like "toys", for the students to experiment with and find out for themselves what they know and what they don't know. If the teacher designs the questions well and supplies meaningful feedback, the Hot Potatoes exercises can be excellent self-study materials.

Here's some information about writing effective questions for Hot Potatoes exercises:
http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/mcquestion.htm

> 2. Report view: Simple statistics

Someone asked a similar question recently on this forum in the thread called "Score % in quiz report always 0"

> 3. Report view: Detailed statistics
Analysis table: E.g. attempt no. 3, field of Q-1 What do the values mean?
(No response)
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY,YYYYAYYYYYYYYYYYYY
0% (0,0,2)

The red text is the correct response, if any. At the moment, no correct response has been received from this user.

The blue text strings are the two incorrect responses that have been given to this question.

As I think you know, the green numbers show the following : score%(hints, clues checks). In this case, you have not asked for any hints or clues to this question, and you have checked two different answers. As explained in the post "Score % in quiz report always 0" thread, the score for questions in JCross activities is always zero, because of the way Hot Potatoes scoring works.

Finally, thanks for pointing out the error in the reportcontent.html file. I have improved that file and you can view it at the following URL:
http://bateson.kanazawa-gu.ac.jp/moodle/16/ms/help.php?module=hotpot&file=reportcontent.html

In due course, the modified help files will be incorporated into the official Moodle downloads, and will be translated into all the languages that Moodle uses.

best regards
Gordon


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