D2L acquires H5P

D2L acquires H5P

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"D2L’s acquisition of H5P Group will enhance the H5P product and services by integrating additional resources and expertise. Our goal is to maintain H5P’s innovative and user-friendly aspects while leveraging D2L’s robust infrastructure to improve performance, reliability, and support." -- From the H5P July 2024 update

So H5P is now embedded in the ecosystem of a competing LMS. Should Moodlers be concerned?

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Re: D2L acquires H5P

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If you are concernen, an alternative way to get embedded interaction is your Moodle site is our plugin https://moodle.org/plugins/filter_embedquestion. (At least, it would be, if I published the latest version which works with recent Moodle versions.)
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

Mary Cooch發表於
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Yes! Please do publish it Tim 😀
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

Przemek Kaszubski發表於
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Me. too, waiting impatiently for the latest filter_embedquestion , as well as the Tiny editor button (equivalent of Atto's atto_embedquestion )

TIA !
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

Tim Hunt發表於
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I was working on that today - or at least trying to beween meetings.
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

Visvanath Ratnaweera發表於
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https://moodle.org/plugins/filter_embedquestion/versions says, "2.2 for Moodle 3.9+ (2022032900) Moodle 3.9, 3.10, 3.11, 4.0". But I have used it on a 4.1 LTS site extensively without issues.

This is the lounge, for socio-politico discussions. I wish there'll be explanations in the H5P forum on the technical site. Right now it is confusing enough with blue and black plug-ins and activities saved externally and internally, and internally in many places, course, content bank, user area?

Was Bob's broken ankle a bad omen?
傷心
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

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I can happily inform you that I am walking again on a newly mended Ankle!
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Quiz related posts

Mary Cooch發表於
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Heads up everyone (and apologies Przemek) I split the discussion as it was veering towards Quiz not H5P - and moved it to the Quiz forum here: Quiz improvements (split from D2l H5P)
but in my haste I  initially made the split in the wrong place and left Prezemek on his own - sorry: Improve Quiz UX (split from D2L H5P)
Anyway, those posts are there, if you were wondering😉
And now I am off to make food...
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

Matthias Giger發表於
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The currently available version works in Moodle 4.4.1+. It is just that the icon in the Atto editor is not displayed any more. But you can still access it, you just have to know where to click. 眨眼

Most teachers will probably still prefer H5P for two reasons:
1) You can easily get students' results in the gradebook.
2) Writing H5P content is easier - until you hit its limits which many teacher never will.
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

Visvanath Ratnaweera發表於
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Dumb question: If the original H5P (mod_hvp) becomes impossible, wouldn't the built-in H5P (h5pactivity) save us? Personally I haven't used H5P in "production" but know and support a lot of teachers who are long time H5P producers, mostly in original H5P.

We are getting technical. This should have run in the H5P forum. In fact there is one, D2L all in on H5P - Breaking news!, less noticed. Pity!
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

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Even if D2L stopped development of the open parts of H5P - which they explicitly ruled out - then the existing solutions would not go away. Both, the plugin and moodle's custom integration, could still be used, but without maintance. That's not something that one wants.

If D2L discontinued the open H5P parts, then moodle HQ could decide to join development of a fork that would likely pop up. But that scenario is mere speculation for now.

The current projection of events feels interesting for moodlers though. Let's ignore the plugin. That's a plugin. Let's think of moodle's custom H5P integration.

So far, H5P was (only) a third party product that was used in moodle's core. The maintainer of that product was not competition. D2L with Brightspace is, however. A direct competitor is now in control over a part of moodle that feels to have become quite relevant despite moodle having its own alternatives to some of the interactions that H5P allows to create. That situation is not necessarily something that you'd want from a business perspective. Not saying they plan to, John Baker in fact said he was going to talk to the maintainers of H5P integrations to clear the air, but D2L could make life for moodle HQ more complicated for sure.

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Re: D2L acquires H5P

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Tim Hunt will love this: Personally, for a number of reasons (e.g. easy editability in situ & Moodle's automated item analyses), I prefer to use the Quiz module & it's various question types rather than H5P. In fact, I regard H5P as a last resort.
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

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Kinda reminds me of 1990s & 2000s Microsoft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish It's FOSS & can be forked, right? Didn't that happen with OpenOffice > LibreOffice a while back?

IMHO, H5P repeats many of the problems with "learning objects" & self-contained packages that SCORM suffers from. I try to use it as little as possible since I don't relish the unenviable task of going through large numbers of H5P packages to edit features that should be doable with a single change in code.
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Matt

On EEE: Yes, it was one of Microsoft's elbow bending tactics. The culmination was the ODF vs OOXML battle. But once it comes to StarOffice > OpenOffice > LibreOffice evolution, I don't think it has much to do with EEE. It was the business decisions which make the fork LibreOffice necessary. (my personal observation)

One can argue about the usefulness of H5P. The fact is, they are used massively, also in the Moodle world.
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

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Using spreadsheets as databases is done even more massively. However, that doesn't make it a good idea.
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

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I am surprised by your rebuke of H5P. Not that I want to argue in its favour. As already mentioned, I personally never used them other than for experimenting. More than one team of teachers I support have started creating H5P a long time ago and I still see them sharing and using the content. And specially one team is very keen - always modernizing, revising the content. Isn't that what we want?
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

Benjamin Waller發表於
hi Matt,
IMHO, from of educational designer of resources and materials, H5P doesn't repeat the same problems as SCORM suffers from and takes a completely different approach to the development and publishing of interactives. The authoring is very accessibly to educators and publishing is just a matter of saving the file/object. I'm a huge fan of tools that enable educators to author their learning experiences and H5P does make that possible. I don't look into the code base and how its structured and I don't doubt the issues or frustrations you face as a developer.
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Re: D2L acquires H5P

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D2L bought H5P. Moodle could have done it before, but anyway, it's too late.

I've always thought it was a bad business decision to rely on H5P. 1) H5P didn't belong to Moodle. It's used in many places, and Moodle had no control over H5P. D2L's purchase proves this well. 2) It may not be very well-known, but the answers to H5P questions are on the user side, not the server side. So, there's a security issue. 3) In my opinion, the decision to rely on H5P was a very lazy decision by Moodle not to improve its own questions. Indeed, H5P questions are very simple, and similar Moodle questions could have easily been developed. Moodle preferred to put its energy into unimportant aspects like the appearance of icons (what a waste of time!) rather than equipping itself with good new or renewed types of questions.

In short, a pitiful situation. And it continues. The ongoing work on managing question banks, etc., is good, but still does not address the urgent need for a renewed arsenal of question types, including simple questions similar to those of H5P.

Can't or won't Moodle develop questions as simple as H5P-type questions?
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Or as pretty?
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I just added some styling to a Moodle core true/false question. Couldn't we create a plugin for nicely formatted T/F questions and other simple question types?

Try the following example at DynamicCourseware.org/ Additional topics/ Quiz settings/ Pretty format➚ .

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That example is awesome !
Would you submit a new 'nice T/F question type' additional plugin for inclusion into Moodle (it would be great inside Moodle 4.6 core).
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A short answer on picture question type would be neat (without having to positioning elements with CSS).
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