Define roles: internal contradictions

Define roles: internal contradictions

by Velson Horie -
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4.1
I am having a problem that non-editing teachers who received email notifications in 3.9, do not seem to receive them in 4.1 - that is the background.
However.
I went to
  1. Dashboard
  2. Site administration
  3. Users
  4. Permissions
  5. Define roles
  6. Define roles

So I clicked on the edit gear for teacher, and got
Confusion
These are 2 conflicting definitions for "teacher".
It should be normal convention that the term and its concept of an entity is consistent throughout the program, documentation, forums, etc. The term "teacher" should mean the same wherever it appears.

At this point, it is obvious that "teacher" means whatever you want it to be (to quote the Humpty Dumpty).  But having fallen off the Moodle wall, e.g. preparing an upload file for new students, it would be really nice to know what Moodle means "teacher" to be.

Why not have 2 terms consistent throughout Moodle: "Non-editing teacher" and "Editing teacher" that are self defining.
I am pretty sure that, in the past, the term "Teacher" was used for the current  term "Editingteacher", and the term "noneditingteacher" was used for the current term "teacher".

A good example is: the role  "Student" means "student" (short name).  That is not confusing.
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Re: Define roles: internal contradictions

by Mary Cooch (personal account) -
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Hello there. I understand your point, although as far as I recall the shortname for a Non-editing teacher has always been teacher and the shortname for an Editing teacher aka Teacher role has always been editingteacher, as you can see from this Moodle docs screenshot from 2007:

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Re: Define roles: internal contradictions

by Velson Horie -
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You are undoubtedly correct.
But I recall this confusion from years ago, so probably I had never found this page which explains why becoming unconfused has taken so long.

If I may - back to the original difficulty.
In the newly applied 4.1.9,  "teachers" are no longer receiving email notifications of assignment submission. Whereas in 3.9 (up to the mid January upgrade) they did.
I as editingteacher saw no change of behaviour.
I cannot see in the teacher or editingteacher role definitions any control to choose, or not, email notifications of assignment submission.
However, there does seem to be a new control to choose, or not, email notifications of quiz submission.

Is the assignment choice made somewhere else in the Site Admin settings?
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Re: Define roles: internal contradictions

by Mary Cooch (personal account) -
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Well... some things to check:
  • Make sure the capability assign:receivegradernotifications is set to Allow for editing and non-editing teachers - which it should be by default;
  • Check what the default for Notify graders about submissions is from /modsettingassign;
  • Check what the default is for Assignment notifications from Site admin > Messaging > Notification settings;
  • Ask some individual teachers what they have from their own Notification preferences,  eg from user/preferences.php

Oh - also - email notification of quiz submission (and it's not just email) has been around for years. So long in fact I need to update the screenshots sad  Quiz submission email notification

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Re: Define roles: internal contradictions

by Velson Horie -
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Thank you. I carried out various searches about these notifications, below.
The one that looks as though it might fix the problem is 2a. We shall see with the next batch of assignments.

There does appear to be settings inflation, with the same effect being achieved by a number of more or less parallel breadcrumb trails. As the settings pool has increased, the search tool for settings needs to be improved. For most of these below, searching did not work and I had to drill down a number of menus before finding these.

Thank you for your help.





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