Google is evil

Google is evil

wót Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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a> Google is evil

b> I have a Google home device in almost every room in my house and love Android Auto in my car. I think you just have to realize that all that convenience comes at a cost

_I_ don't have to, since I don't need those conveniences. It is _you_ who has to realize. You have, and made your decision. It is your freedom.

c> hopefully the kids are being taught that

How do you combine a and c? The kids are being _taught_ and sent to the evils? So the "learned" kids don't get harmed? Where is the logic? Don't forget that we are talking of minors who are entrusted to us as teachers.

> here it is Google or Amazon (or Microsoft who is now making a play for the K12 education arena which Google has exploded into.

Here in German speaking Europe it is Microsoft. I think the data privacy laws stopped Google on their tracks. Microsoft existed much longer and have their tentacles deeper in the system and they are making a huge effort to satisfy the privacy laws here.
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Re: Google is evil [OT]

wót Ken Task -
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Hmmm ... who leads in smartphones (mobile) 'across the pond'?   There are no Windows phones of any significance, are there?

So even in German speaking Europe ... can't be part of the 'borg' with those devices?

'SoS', Ken


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Re: Google is evil [OT]

wót Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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Oh, no! Windows phone is dead. People here have lot of iThings. Me thinks they have too much money and the iAm is a way of life which speaks to them.
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Re: Google is evil [OT]

wót Emma Richardson -
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Students should all be taught about the pros and cons of all available tools. You can use whatever you want but you should keep your eyes open to the pitfalls. We need to be informed consumers.
At this point in history, it is tough because technology is exploding so fast that it takes us a while to catch up with all the consequences. I fear it will soon take over despite the EU's attempt to reign it in. Once AI becomes prevalent it will get much worse because the tech will outpace us exponentially.
Having said that, it is also an exciting time for those of us that love technology. I don't have the answers except that we all need to keep learning as much as we can about what is going on around us.
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Re: Google is evil [OT]

wót Ken Task -
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Couldn't agree more!  +20 Emma.

Happen to support a K12 entity that has 'opened the gates' - some view as Pandora's Box!   Moodle installed 6-7 years ago when primary stations were Windows.   Since then ... 'bring your own device' and iPads issued by entity (checked out for on/off campus use).  There are some students using Windows phones!  Androids and iPhones dominate and between the two, iPhones have a lead.

Now a days ... need to begin with the 'end device' in mind or courses might be rendered almost useless.

Entity also has Google For Education domain and they use it ... for sure.

I see 'disconnect' however ... most courses have links to .docx ... and teachers probably need to move that content to Google Drive and relink from the Moodle to get the max from Moodle.

I look every once in a while for it ... but have never found ... doesn't exist ... definitive research that says a students knowledge of how to use XYZ is directly related to student 'success' in life.

'SoS', Ken



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Re: Google is evil [OT]

wót Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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> Students should all be taught about the pros and cons of all available tools. You can use whatever you want but you should keep your eyes open to the pitfalls.

I know, this is something you don't want to hear. What about kids you have no option, because the schools/teachers say so? Here is a scenario, our worst nightmares becoming true:
https://news.slashdot.org/story/19/11/01/2259244/gaggle-knows-everything-about-teens-and-kids-in-school
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Re: Google is evil [OT]

wót Ken Task -
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Article about Gaggle ... not Google.  ISD's in a private Regional Network did use Gaggle.   In USA/Texas filtering is required.  Gaggle tracked Jrs and Srs who were given ISD EMail domain addresses to use for communicating with colleges/universities.   Students were informed their email/surfing the web was not private ... but there are always some youngsters who are still not mature enough ... BTW, the same is true or young teachers!

In one case, Technology Director tracked only one Sr. male for surfing.  Young man just couldn't stay away from porn.  Once a week, searched gaggle/other filtering logs for that user.  Usually collected URL's that were porn and not blocked.  Sr. male often seen in a lab or library with a few buddies all looking at his latest 'finds'.   Day latter, after Tech Directory submitted latest finds to Gaggle, those were blocked.  Sr. male never did figure it out.  Tech Director got rep with filtering companies for being the 'smut lady'! :|

Another case ... ISD just connected to internet ... maybe 1 day prior to a teacher/admin session for 3 neighboring ISD's in which I was asked to 'show them internet'.   No filtering etc.   A young teacher, sitting right beside an Admin level person from a guest ISD at the session also had an interest in 'porn'.

As I was walking around the lab helping beginners with browsers, etc. couldn't help but see the porn on that young man's screen.  Broke for lunch.   Went to that workstation, cleared out history/etc. and ... unplugged the ethernet cable at the drop for that workstation.  When users returned from lunch, short verbal session/reminder on a teachers (and also admins) responsibility to monitor student use of Internet.  In one ear and out the other.  Young man went back to porn surfing and discovered nothing worked.  Asked for assistance ... when I asked him to repeat what he was surfing for ... url ... he tried again (what an idiot!).  It failed of course ... this time a 1 to 2 quite/polite reminder about usage ... admin right next to him said nothing!!!!

Eventually, young man grew angry ... told me what I should be doing and how terrible a presenter I was ... and then left.

The admin from that ISD then apologized for behavior and comments ... then told me they would deal with him upon returning to their ISD.

Heard from Tech Director in that ISD about a year later when they finally got a direct connect to the internet.  Young man still surfing for porn.  It took a month or so, but that ISD finally let the young man go ... ie, fired him.

A year later ... happened to see in local newspaper that user was a person of interest in a murder of a female student.

While the majority of students and teachers will honor there are always a 'few bad apples in the barrell' ... and it's those few 'bad apples' that will ruin it for all the rest when Admin has a knee jerk re-action and applies something to all. :|

Just sayin' ...

'SoS', Ken

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Re: Google is evil [OT]

wót Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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Here comes:

The Evil List


Which tech companies are really doing the most harm? Here are the 30 most dangerous, ranked by the people who know.
https://slate.com/technology/2020/01/evil-list-tech-companies-dangerous-amazon-facebook-google-palantir.html

No surpises at the top!

(found in https://developers.slashdot.org/story/20/01/18/0123210/slate-announces-list-of-the-30-most-evil-tech-companies )