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Re: Moodle for babies, Moodle for grown ups, for normal people (by normal people) [OT]

by Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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Hi Cris

What do you mean: a) 80% of the people use Google. b) I use Google. Conclusion: I am normal?
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More seriously, I see that my choice of the subject line is misleading. When I said "Moodle for babies", they are not first babies and then moodlers, but the other way around: They are already moodlers, but still can not stand analogues to toddlers. But don't misunderstand, no disrespect meant. In fact it is the contraty: We don't look down at our babies (metaphorically), don't we?

Even more seriously, your post https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=390831#p1587092 qualify you to be not the "typical" Moodle user.
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Re: Moodle for babies, Moodle for grown ups, for normal people (by normal people) [OT]

by Cris Fuhrman -
I realize normal is arbitrary (I'm definitely not normal!), but at some point it should be defined for the purpose of deciding what to pursue for the sustainability of a system.

Anecdote: The Moodle support team at our university told us at a meeting some years ago that 100% of Moodlers were using Moodle to distribute course content, that some lower percentage <50% were using quizzes, and nearly 0% were using Workshop activities. Their conclusion: do more training on workshop, since it's a great feature that's just being under-used.

My conclusion (having tried it!), it's a great feature, but the problem is how to work it into a good pedagogy (something the Moodle training people fail at, because they mostly do IT support). 

The reality is (as sad as this may be) a majority of the Moodle users will never create a Workshop, yet the source code, the tests, the application logic that is inside other classes, etc. remain and have a "cost" to the Moodle project. They take up time and energy, making the overall project harder to understand and extend. 

Now, take the same idea and apply it to those 20+ options to configuring a quiz, the numerous question types, the support for old browsers and versions of Moodle, etc. It's not about babies or grownups, it's about focusing a limited (open source) energy onto the things that affect the most users in a world where IT is changing super fast. I think it's what's happening at Google and Canvas and who knows what else.

Meanwhile, this semester's experiment is going very well with my course using Google Classroom. Do I miss the pedagogical value of customized feedback on wrong answers in multiple choice questions in Google Quizzes? You bet! But I'm also super happy not to have to give bonus points if students ask questions in the Moodle forums (which they hate). They're using comments in Google documents to ask me questions on the text they write (so much more precise). They ask public questions in the classroom "feed" (like Facebook) on the work I assign them. Those things have way more pedagogical value (to me) right now. Plus, the clicking for me to set things up is so much less. 

I realize I'm ignoring the "freeness" aspect and it's not an entirely fair comparison, but this is the real world.
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