Bonjour.
My University (UHB Rennes - France) is working with Moodle for about one year.
There are about 20000 students and 1000 teachers in the Moodle
database. And also 10 people of the "registrar staff" (is it the correct appellation?),
administrative employees manually enrolling/unenrolling the students in
the the 500 courses.
Single Sign-On authentication is made with CAS (that itself requests for LDAP).
Student accounts are nightly created/updated from LDAP (by using an adjusted version of auth_ldap_sync_users.php).
Enrolments are self-enrolments or manual (by that registrar staff), depending on student's category : traditional or "open" (adults, for the main part).
I have recently developped three new features for this registrar staff.
They are actually working with this new Moodle 1.5+ code for one month :
1) List students
- lists students (with their enrolments) depending on various combined
criterias : Fullname (or ID number), Institution, Department, Category,
Courses, City/town ;
- downloads the result as text format (for processing with spreadsheet or other text-processor).
2) Enrol several students
- enrols/unenrols several students in one course ;
- transfer enrolments from one cours to another ;
- enrol students selected with previous "List students" feature" (that's a future feature).
3) Enrol one student
- enrol/unrenrols one student in several courses.
In my mind, these features are "registrar-level", like the existing
other one "Assign teachers". However, since the "is_registrar()"
function doesn't (still) exist, I have flagged them as "creator-level"
(with the "is_creator()" function).
If anybody else would
find one of these facilities useful, i'd be happy to work for CVS integration.
Arnaud
Here are some screenshots :
1) Users menu for Admins
2) Users menu for Course Creators
3) List students
4) Enrol several students
5) Enrol one student
Hi,
This is cool! Currently we are using enrolment keys to handle enrolments, but this is going to be unmanagable since we are hoping to expand the number of students we are serving in near future. And also we are required to enrol group of students each semister (i.e. from semester 1 to semister 2 courses, etc) and It seems to be your multiple enrolment feature is capable of that. So I would like to test this one
BTW can we search students and select them from the results and enrol them in one or more courses?
This is cool! Currently we are using enrolment keys to handle enrolments, but this is going to be unmanagable since we are hoping to expand the number of students we are serving in near future. And also we are required to enrol group of students each semister (i.e. from semester 1 to semister 2 courses, etc) and It seems to be your multiple enrolment feature is capable of that. So I would like to test this one
BTW can we search students and select them from the results and enrol them in one or more courses?
Sorry for the last line of the above post!
I tried to delete that line but couldnt!
I tried to delete that line but couldnt!
Bonjour Arnaud,
That stuff looks nice. Some of this stuff might be complementary.
If you can get registrars to produce a CSV file (spreadsheet) of course idnumbers and student idnumbers, I have a perl script written which will enrol students automatically on the hour. Not sure if that might be more efficient for you. It might not suit.
The script in scripts/linkstudents.pl reads in a file and adds any new enrolments which are not currently in Moodle. It does not remove ones which are not in the CSV file however, which is deliberate. I have a separate script to list those for deletion by hand.
http://moodle.gcd.ie/~gavinmc/moodle_import_utils/
Gavin
That stuff looks nice. Some of this stuff might be complementary.
If you can get registrars to produce a CSV file (spreadsheet) of course idnumbers and student idnumbers, I have a perl script written which will enrol students automatically on the hour. Not sure if that might be more efficient for you. It might not suit.
The script in scripts/linkstudents.pl reads in a file and adds any new enrolments which are not currently in Moodle. It does not remove ones which are not in the CSV file however, which is deliberate. I have a separate script to list those for deletion by hand.
http://moodle.gcd.ie/~gavinmc/moodle_import_utils/
Gavin
Hi Arnaud!
that's some interesting stuff! The NZVLE/Catalyst team is working on a similar track, making it easier to manage Moodle installs with large numbers of users/courses. None of our enhancements touch this area (some already in CVS), I think it'll be a good complement.
Can you post the patches that implement these features? Ideally, they should be:
- one patch per feature
- unified diffs
- done against current HEAD (and MOODLE_15_STABLE too if you have them)
Cheers!
OK Martin,
I'll do that. Need some time...
I'll do that. Need some time...
Really nice.
I am starting with Moodle but I belong to a huge institution in Italy... so in a while I'll start having thousands of users.
I would like to test these useful tools too, they appear to be exactly what I was wondering.
But I am new to moodle and I did not understand where I can find them and how can I install them on my private installation of moodle.
Can anyone help me please?
Thank you in advance.
Daniele
I am starting with Moodle but I belong to a huge institution in Italy... so in a while I'll start having thousands of users.
I would like to test these useful tools too, they appear to be exactly what I was wondering.
But I am new to moodle and I did not understand where I can find them and how can I install them on my private installation of moodle.
Can anyone help me please?
Thank you in advance.
Daniele
In reply to Martín Langhoff
Re: Students and enrolments : new features -> patch against HEAD
by Arnaud Saint-Georges -
Bonjour Martin !
Here is the patch you asked for, against HEAD.
I didn't split it into three patches (one per feature) because I think that wouldn't be clearer. Since some lib-stuff is common for several features. However If you prefer I could try to produce three or four patches.
Is that sufficient?
If you like, I could produce the same patch against MOODLE15STABLE.
Here is the patch you asked for, against HEAD.
I didn't split it into three patches (one per feature) because I think that wouldn't be clearer. Since some lib-stuff is common for several features. However If you prefer I could try to produce three or four patches.
Is that sufficient?
If you like, I could produce the same patch against MOODLE15STABLE.
In reply to Arnaud Saint-Georges
Re: Students and enrolments : new features -> patch against HEAD
by Daniele Cordella -
Sorry I am new and not so competent.
How can I use a file .patch?
What does it means "use a file against HEAD"?
Head of what?
How can I use a file .patch?
What does it means "use a file against HEAD"?
Head of what?
In reply to Arnaud Saint-Georges
Re: Students and enrolments : new features -> patch against HEAD
by Daniele Cordella -
Ciao Arnaud
I studied and used your .patch file but... it was build for he 1.5.2 release and now it doesn't work fine.
Are you planning to create it for the last 1.5.3+ release?
Thank you in advance.
I studied and used your .patch file but... it was build for he 1.5.2 release and now it doesn't work fine.
Are you planning to create it for the last 1.5.3+ release?
Thank you in advance.
In reply to Daniele Cordella
Re: Students and enrolments : new features -> patch against HEAD
by Arnaud Saint-Georges -
Bonjour Daniele.
I am waiting for Moodle.org CVS integration.
Once (if) my patch would be integrated, I could correct it and maintain it for further versions. Otherwise, it would be too much work for a poor result...
Salutations !
I am waiting for Moodle.org CVS integration.
Once (if) my patch would be integrated, I could correct it and maintain it for further versions. Otherwise, it would be too much work for a poor result...
Salutations !
In reply to Arnaud Saint-Georges
Re: Students and enrolments : new features -> patch against HEAD
by Ariel Antigua -
Sorry for this question.. but where i have to apply this patch ??
i doing this.
cd moodle/admin/
patch < your_patch.patch
but is not working .. is stoping in the firs lang/ entry ...
i doing this.
cd moodle/admin/
patch < your_patch.patch
but is not working .. is stoping in the firs lang/ entry ...
In reply to Ariel Antigua
Re: Students and enrolments : new features -> patch against HEAD
by Tim Allen -
This patch is intended to be used on HEAD. Are you using it on Moodle 1.6?
Tim.
Tim.
In reply to Tim Allen
Re: Students and enrolments : new features -> patch against HEAD
by Ariel Antigua -
Ok.. thats explaing everything. I was tryng to patch 1.5.3+ and have a lot of unpatched files. i guess i can get HEAD via CVS right?
In reply to Ariel Antigua
Re: Students and enrolments : new features -> patch against HEAD
by Tim Allen -
Ok this is great...very good !! I'd like to test this and see how it can be integrated both into 1.5.2+ and 1.6 .
Hi,
I'm very interested in your idea...
Could you please post your coding so I can add it to our site too.
It would make student enrolement so much easier.
Thanks
I'm very interested in your idea...
Could you please post your coding so I can add it to our site too.
It would make student enrolement so much easier.
Thanks
Hi Arnaud,
I added your tool to our which allow us to create and manage global groups. That is useful when you have to manage several students and courses.
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=35471
I post the modified files of your feature, adapted with ours. Now, you can display users (in the list) by global group. For example if you want to enroll all users of the current school year, just select the group and it'll only display these users.
I added your tool to our which allow us to create and manage global groups. That is useful when you have to manage several students and courses.
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=35471
I post the modified files of your feature, adapted with ours. Now, you can display users (in the list) by global group. For example if you want to enroll all users of the current school year, just select the group and it'll only display these users.
I tried to install the patch (posted by Arnaud on November 14) on a fresh installed moodle 1.6 but I found some errors.
I saw the tool folder content (posted by Guillaume on December 12) but I can't understand how Moodle 1.6 can call these new files?
Can you explain me better how to install and use this tool that I believe is a "rosetta stone" for administrators?
Thank you in advance.
I saw the tool folder content (posted by Guillaume on December 12) but I can't understand how Moodle 1.6 can call these new files?
Can you explain me better how to install and use this tool that I believe is a "rosetta stone" for administrators?
Thank you in advance.
Hei...
I found it already added to the 1.6
Really a important improvement.
Yeaaaaaaaaaa
I found it already added to the 1.6
Really a important improvement.
Yeaaaaaaaaaa
moodle 1.6 beta 2 couldn't find any updated.
I expect you mean moodle 1.6 beta 1
I can't find these patches in 1.6 anywhere - I am using the 1.6 beta 2.
Where did you find them Daniele?
Tim.
Where did you find them Daniele?
Tim.
I am sure
I found it and I explained its funtionality to a collegue.
It was March 7 but now I can't find it any more and also Martin D. said it was never added.
But I am still sure I used it on March 7.
I found it and I explained its funtionality to a collegue.
It was March 7 but now I can't find it any more and also Martin D. said it was never added.
But I am still sure I used it on March 7.
Can someone explain whether version 1.6 will have the additional management tools or not? I have 1.6 Beta 1 and can see there are loads of nice additions to LDAP authentication but as I don't have an LDAP server cannot configure this to see if I get any new tools.
Also someone above mentioned global groups. I thought this was coming later.
Also someone above mentioned global groups. I thought this was coming later.
Hi to all,
From the new features added by Arnaud Saint-Georges, I would like to know if It is possible to enrol a large number of students directly into moodle system without the help of other enrollment systems found in many Universities.
Is it possible to customize the information gathered while registering students to shape them the way I want?, or I will need to add some lines of coding myself to do this?
In fact I want to use moodle from the very basic task in the university, that is from registration of students entering the university, before even assigning them to their courses.
Thanks.
From the new features added by Arnaud Saint-Georges, I would like to know if It is possible to enrol a large number of students directly into moodle system without the help of other enrollment systems found in many Universities.
Is it possible to customize the information gathered while registering students to shape them the way I want?, or I will need to add some lines of coding myself to do this?
In fact I want to use moodle from the very basic task in the university, that is from registration of students entering the university, before even assigning them to their courses.
Thanks.
In fact I want to use moodle from the very basic task in the
university, that is from registration of students entering the
university, before even assigning them to their courses.
It's actually a pretty big and specialised task, which is why SIS typically are much more expensive than LMS
. For instance, for a ~7000 student university, it would be standard to spend 1 million USD for the SIS and ~$80,000/year for level 3 support, plus at least 1 FTE for a qualified staff member to manage it (better 1.5-2 FTE in case the DBA gets sick or wants a vacation).
Not to say a registration/student information system couldn't be added in to Moodle with some expert and well planned coding, however to do it right is a pretty large task and should probably be funded accordingly.
Jim Farmer talked about some of these challenges and potential solutions at the recent Moodle Moot in Savannah, Jim is a great resource for this (and many other issue.
It's actually a pretty big and specialised task, which is why SIS typically are much more expensive than LMS
Not to say a registration/student information system couldn't be added in to Moodle with some expert and well planned coding, however to do it right is a pretty large task and should probably be funded accordingly.
Jim Farmer talked about some of these challenges and potential solutions at the recent Moodle Moot in Savannah, Jim is a great resource for this (and many other
Ok.
What if there is no any specialized registration/student information system available at the university, like many universities in Africa, I want to know if can help them by using moodle, first of all for registering students(--up to 9,000 or more) and have their information in moodle database, and then enrol them to their different courses after.
During the registration, i want to be able to customize the information given by students according to the university requirements.
This way, moodle can replace the tiring and unmanageable situations in which students are registered.
Regards,
What if there is no any specialized registration/student information system available at the university, like many universities in Africa, I want to know if can help them by using moodle, first of all for registering students(--up to 9,000 or more) and have their information in moodle database, and then enrol them to their different courses after.
During the registration, i want to be able to customize the information given by students according to the university requirements.
This way, moodle can replace the tiring and unmanageable situations in which students are registered.
Regards,
I love this type of enrollment feature and can see it being a very, very valuable part of our institution. Unfortunately, I can not seem to figure out how to use the patch that was provided. So, could you provide a zipped copy of the updated pages so that we can implement it into our system? We use 1.5.3 of Moodle... so, does this work with that version?
hi,
nice work..
well, we worked in out university on SIS-LMS integration..
it do every enrollment task automatically and in less than 30 seconds !!!!
it is nice feature and it do all the tasks!!
Have someone information about these features and moodle 1.6?
In reply to Artem Andreev
Re: Students and enrolments : new features for 1.6
by Arnaud Saint-Georges -
Bonjour Artem,
I have just finished to integrate two of these three features for my Moodle 1.6 : List students and Enrol one student.
Here are the patches for Moodle 1.6 :
UHB_list_students.diff -> add the List students feature
UHB_enrol_onestudent.diff -> add the Enrol one student feature
UHB_users_menu.diff -> add these two new choices in the users menu
Example for applying the first one with Linux line command :
1) cd [your_Moodle_directory]
2) patch -p1 < [your_Moodle_patches]/UHB_list_students.diff
Hope these two new features could be added in Moodle 1.7...
Arnaud
(on holidays tomorrow thursday tonight...)
I have just finished to integrate two of these three features for my Moodle 1.6 : List students and Enrol one student.
Here are the patches for Moodle 1.6 :
UHB_list_students.diff -> add the List students feature
UHB_enrol_onestudent.diff -> add the Enrol one student feature
UHB_users_menu.diff -> add these two new choices in the users menu
Example for applying the first one with Linux line command :
1) cd [your_Moodle_directory]
2) patch -p1 < [your_Moodle_patches]/UHB_list_students.diff
Hope these two new features could be added in Moodle 1.7...
Arnaud
(on holidays tomorrow thursday tonight...)
In reply to Arnaud Saint-Georges
Re: Students and enrolments : new features for 1.6
by Nicolas Martignoni -
Bonnes vacances ! 
et merci !
In reply to Arnaud Saint-Georges
Re: Students and enrolments : new features for 1.6-WINDOWS
by Bhupinder Singh -
Hi,
This is a great functionality.
Does it work in windows O/S too???
Wher could I download it too..
Garry
In reply to Bhupinder Singh
Re: Students and enrolments : new features for 1.6-WINDOWS
by Arnaud Saint-Georges -
I do hope.
Use, for example, 7-zip (http://www.7-zip.org/) to extract the three diff files.
Then, for Windows, I don't know what is the best way to apply them to your Moodle ?
Use, for example, 7-zip (http://www.7-zip.org/) to extract the three diff files.
Then, for Windows, I don't know what is the best way to apply them to your Moodle ?
In reply to Arnaud Saint-Georges
Re: Students and enrolments : new features for 1.6-WINDOWS
by Bhupinder Singh -
Hi Arnaud and fellow Moodlers,
Thanks for the reply.
Could you guide me as to which files are to be patched as I am a little confused on the actual files that are to be updated and their location.
Thanks once again.
Garry
In reply to Arnaud Saint-Georges
Re: Students and enrolments : new features for 1.6-WINDOWS
by Bhupinder Singh -
I have made some changes and prepared the files for windows. I am attaching the same as a zip file.
Could you look at the folders and see if the creation is correct.
I am having a error message as under.
Warning: main(enrolonestudent.html): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in e:\program files\easyphp\www\lms\admin\enrolonestudent.php on line 124
Warning: main(): Failed opening 'enrolonestudent.html' for inclusion (include_path='E:\Program Files\EasyPHP\php\pear\') in e:\program files\easyphp\www\lms\admin\enrolonestudent.php on line 124
Could you suggest some solutions or direction I should take.
Look for your comments and suggestions on the files attached. The folder in moolde in which they go are placed with the files in the attachment.
PS I do not get the srceens Could you advise the path on reaching the screens.
Garry
In reply to Bhupinder Singh
Re: Students and enrolments--new features for 1.6-WINDOWS
by Bhupinder Singh -
Hi,
The problem is solved the HTML file was not loaded and hence the problem. The errors are gone. The two functions appear as per screen shots. They look really nice.
This is really great and I must congratulate for the nice functionality.
Could you advise when the third would be posted.
Would be nice to try and use a comprehensive functionality. Thsi must be added into Moodle 1.7
Garry
In reply to Bhupinder Singh
Re: Students and enrolments : new features for 1.6-WINDOWS
by Mark Little -
Hi,
How is is going?
Would like to use this feature on our server with 1.6.
Thanks
How is is going?
Would like to use this feature on our server with 1.6.
Thanks
In reply to Bhupinder Singh
Re: Students and enrolments : new features for 1.6-WINDOWS
by John Moon -
Hi Bhupinder,
One suggestion is that the List Students function be able to not only download a file in text format, but also as a .csv
Thanks.
JM
In reply to Arnaud Saint-Georges
Re: Students and enrolments : new features for 1.6
by Artem Andreev -
Thanks, this features very useful.
May be add feature request in bug tracker and all people who need in these features vote?..
May be add feature request in bug tracker and all people who need in these features vote?..
In reply to Artem Andreev
Re: Students and enrolments : new features for 1.6
by Arnaud Saint-Georges -
C'est certainement une bonne idée, Artem. 
You can add these new enrolments-features into the bugtrack...
You can add these new enrolments-features into the bugtrack...
In reply to Arnaud Saint-Georges
Re: Students and enrolments : new features for 1.6
by Daniele Cordella -
Thank you Arnaud.
I am looking forward for finding the third "enrol several students" plugin too.
Your work is great.
Tahn k you again.
I am looking forward for finding the third "enrol several students" plugin too.
Your work is great.
Tahn k you again.
Merci pour tes encouragements, Daniele.
I have finished to integrate the third feature for my Moodle 1.6 : Enrolling several students (or copying enrolments from one course to another).
Here are the patches for Moodle 1.6 :
UHB_enrol_students.diff -> add the Enrol several students feature
UHB_users_menu_enrol_students.diff -> add this new choice in the users menu
I plan (in the next days) to connect the first feature List Students with this third feature Enrol several students.
Thus we will be able to list students depending on various combined criterias: Fullname (or ID number), Institution, Department, Category, Courses, City/town and to immediately enroll/unenroll them (or part of them) in one or more courses.
I have finished to integrate the third feature for my Moodle 1.6 : Enrolling several students (or copying enrolments from one course to another).
Here are the patches for Moodle 1.6 :
UHB_enrol_students.diff -> add the Enrol several students feature
UHB_users_menu_enrol_students.diff -> add this new choice in the users menu
I plan (in the next days
) to connect the first feature List Students with this third feature Enrol several students.Thus we will be able to list students depending on various combined criterias: Fullname (or ID number), Institution, Department, Category, Courses, City/town and to immediately enroll/unenroll them (or part of them) in one or more courses.
I would like to see things added as enrolment plugins after 1.7.
Note that none of this code will work in 1.7 because we now support proper Roles. The user_students and user_teachers tables are gone, so this code needs to be adjusted dramatically to make it work with whatever roles a local institution has defined.
It's regrettable about this code but I think the new Roles system will allow a lot more flexibility.
Note that none of this code will work in 1.7 because we now support proper Roles. The user_students and user_teachers tables are gone, so this code needs to be adjusted dramatically to make it work with whatever roles a local institution has defined.
It's regrettable about this code but I think the new Roles system will allow a lot more flexibility.
À mon humble opinion, Martin, this has no link with enrolment plugins . Or has it? This is manual enrolment; no connexion with an external system.
Don't worry about the changes introduced by 1.7, because this new Roles system will be really welcome in our university (30,000 users in Moodle users table and four main roles: administrators, registrar staff, teachers, students).
If similar students enrolments features (or part of it) would not be included in 1.7, I will adjust my code after I upgrade my Moodle site. As I did from 1.5 to 1.6. Because we need these features. Or have you a better idea?
. Or has it? This is manual enrolment; no connexion with an external system. Don't worry about the changes introduced by 1.7, because this new Roles system will be really welcome in our university (30,000 users in Moodle users table and four main roles: administrators, registrar staff, teachers, students).
If similar students enrolments features (or part of it) would not be included in 1.7, I will adjust my code after I upgrade my Moodle site. As I did from 1.5 to 1.6. Because we need these features. Or have you a better idea?
I think that roles are (will be) a very good thing.
I also think that your extended manual enrolment (i've seen it at the first french MoodleMoot) is very usefull.
... and i (and certainly not only me) would really like it to be included in standard Moodle distribution !
The problem is that you shouldn't wait for 1.7 (or 1.8) to be released (for a long time) to begin working on how to adapt it... if you want developpers to have time to validate you code.
I also think that your extended manual enrolment (i've seen it at the first french MoodleMoot) is very usefull.
... and i (and certainly not only me) would really like it to be included in standard Moodle distribution !
The problem is that you shouldn't wait for 1.7 (or 1.8) to be released (for a long time) to begin working on how to adapt it... if you want developpers to have time to validate you code.
Hi,
Can we download this? I would like to use this in our system.
We are running 1.62 at present
Thanks
Can we download this? I would like to use this in our system.
We are running 1.62 at present
Thanks
Oui, Mark, you can download this and use it with 1.62.
Me too, I am running 1.6.2 for two weeks.
Arnaud
Me too, I am running 1.6.2 for two weeks.
Arnaud
Hi
Where do you download this from?
Thanks
Where do you download this from?
Thanks
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Arnaud
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Hi,
What is a diff file?
Thanks
What is a diff file?
Thanks
Hi Arnaud,
Could you also include the option for the List Students function to be able to download as a .csv as well so it can be exported directly into excel?
Merci
Jm
Actually, I've just found out how to import an html table directly into excel, and this works a treat!