On that note Mary, it states you can't use moodle in your domain name - I assume the plenty of us using moodle as a subdomain in our main domain name (e.g. moodle.hull-college.ac.uk for us) is fine?
That bullet point could use amending if so.
Hello all,
David, I agree with you. And, I would like to add that the process involved here comes across as somewhat elevated and has the potential to alienate peeps. E.g.:
1. person makes an error
2. is reprimanded for error-by having post deleted or interferred with
3. then after that....site policy details are stuck under nose, in this instance Javed's.
doesn't feel right to me in terms of promoting a shared understanding with a community feel.
my tuppence worth
Dawn
Guillermo-common sense....mmmmmmmmmm...........paradox........mmmmmmmmmmm......black and white mmmmmmmmmmm..........grey areas....mmmmmmmm.....mmmmmmmmmm
I can't remember now, but when one signs up to enrol for moodle.org then before ticking a box a black-outlined box with white space inside it.....does one have to put a tick there after they have read the site police statement and will abide by it....mmmmmm......I of course cannot remember.... because well, I can't simply remember.
My thinking is this: if one knows the policing system then one can abide by it without being a mind-reader shuffling around with the grey matter....
I think I have spelt police/policee/poli..c.e..y wrong in my post apols about that...I just lack common sense when it comes to spelling...
D
David Perry -I don't anyone would complain about using moodle in part of a university name such as moodle.hull-college.ac.uk, and anyway you are using it in an academic/educational context and not commercially, trying to sell services involving Moodle such as hosting etc.
The trademark rules restrict the use of the word 'Moodle' when used to promote commercial Moodle services. This contributes a large amount of value to the Moodle Partnership program which Moodle relies on for the bulk of it's funding.
You cannot use the word "Moodle" in your domain name if you are advertising commercial Moodle services (Moodle development/ Moodle hosting/ Moodle training etc) unless you are a Moodle Partner - you can use the word "Moodle" in your domain name to describe your own organisations Moodle installation.
We have a pretty strict advertising policy here in the forums too - there are a couple of things in the original post that go against our policies - even though I work for a Moodle Partner it would be in-appropriate for me to include a link to our Moodle services pages in every post I make and is only allowed in the context of a discussion - the original poster here isn't asking for commercial support and so adding a link to a page that advertises commercial support doesn't fit the context of the discussion.
I could go on about this but it's not really what this discussion thread is about.... There are some great posts here from people giving objective advice, Moodle works really well for some people but given a different set of requirements there are other products that may suit an organisation better. There are also other systems based on Moodle like IOMAD, Totara, Joule, Ellis etc that target a specific subset of users with different functionality but also based on Moodle.
Hello Dan,
A technicallity, I know, but would the domain include the subdomain? Or the word "Moodle" cannot be used anywhere in the URL?
There are a lot of posts that cover trademark rules in the forums and I am not a lawyer and I do not work for Moodle HQ. (and the original post here isn't really about trademark rules so we really shouldn't hijack the thread!)
If you are selling Moodle services (Moodle hosting, Moodle development, Moodle Themes etc) you cannot use the word "Moodle" unless you are a Moodle Partner. That includes the use of the word in domain names (which includes subdomains) If you are just using Moodle to deliver your own training like a university/school/private training then from what I understand you can use the word "Moodle" in your domain and on your site to describe the installation. I do agree that might need some slight clarification on the trademark rules page.
If you have further questions related to the trademarks please create a new thread or use an existing trademark related thread.
If you are selling Moodle services (Moodle hosting, Moodle development, Moodle Themes etc) you cannot use the word "Moodle" unless you are a Moodle Partner. That includes the use of the word in domain names (which includes subdomains) If you are just using Moodle to deliver your own training like a university/school/private training then from what I understand you can use the word "Moodle" in your domain and on your site to describe the installation. I do agree that might need some slight clarification on the trademark rules page.
If you have further questions related to the trademarks please create a new thread or use an existing trademark related thread.
Ok, got it
Yes, I've got it. Moodle is best because we can't use its name.
Is there any chance we could see the link to see what all the fuss is about?
john, john. A slightly provocative post.
- The Moodle ecosystem of (c) protection is what it is, even if there are all these periodic flurrys of expostulation , questions, IANAL posts, denials, repeated explanations, etc etc.
- If you want to see the link, Google is your friend. Or alternatively, PM the poster.
Best has got nothing to do with what we have been talking about. It's based on at least two things: fit for purpose and opinion (sometimes personal preferences)
For instance, food. http://www.tripadvisor.co.nz/ShowUserReviews-g36422-d2264665-r204698046-Ginger_Garlic-Naperville_Illinois.html How on earth go you determine the best eating place in an area?
I nearly took Dan up on his suggestion to start two threads.
"The definitive discussion on "Is Moodle the Best?""
and
"I just want to talk about why Moodle is copyrighted all over again and add some more words to the conversation"
-Derek
Maybe the monitor could cut the thread and move the irrelevant part to another forum.
John,
It was not about what the link said or to what it linked to, but to the fact that links placed in a post must be relevant to the subject in question, and that's why links (be them to personal or to commercial sites), should not be used in the signature.
clear as mud ta
a funny, ha-ha, gag...joke...laughy thing OK:
Having now informed myself of these matters from reading the site policy, I also stumbled across this when doing so:
Moodle site policy:
'any upstanding member of the community can delete 'any' shite post, to alleviate the scroll of death'
Really?
Seems to me the more blatantly you abuse the trademark the more likely you are to get away with it, or perhaps its just the case that Vidyamantra (owner of above domains) just told Martin to "get lost" whereas other minor in-fringers were more inclined to do the right thing when made aware of their transgressions.Dan's statement is correct. Only Moodle Partners are given permission to use the word "Moodle" (or the logo) to sell Moodle commercial services - things such as Moodle hosting, support, training, etc. We ask that you don't use the word in any top-level or primary domain name because it tends to confuse people. Using the word to denote an organisation's moodle (e.g. moodle.myuniversity.com) is ok.
Moodle Partners are the primary funding source for the Moodle project. Without our Partners Moodle wouldn't exist. This is the reason we use our best efforts to convince people to comply with Moodle's trademark policy.
In reply to Michael Blake
Moodle trademark policy (was Why Moodle is best?)
by Visvanath Ratnaweera -
Hi Michael
Thanks for the clarification on using the word moodle in domain names. http://moodle.com/trademarks/ simply says, 'You can’t use “Moodle” in your domain name'. Which is not the same.
One question though: What you call "top-level or primary domain name" is what others call a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-level_domain, right? I don't think the moodle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-level_domain even exists.
Thanks for the clarification on using the word moodle in domain names. http://moodle.com/trademarks/ simply says, 'You can’t use “Moodle” in your domain name'. Which is not the same.
One question though: What you call "top-level or primary domain name" is what others call a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-level_domain, right? I don't think the moodle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-level_domain even exists.
So at the page it should be added the word "full", like: "full domain name". But what about using it in the URL?
Hi Guillermo
I am neither qualified nor it is my job to formulate legal documents. It was just my assumption that accepted terms like "top level domain (TLD)", "second level domain (SLD)" should be used in such documents in their accepted meaning.
In fact "fully qualified domain name (FQDN)" falls in to the same category.
I am neither qualified nor it is my job to formulate legal documents. It was just my assumption that accepted terms like "top level domain (TLD)", "second level domain (SLD)" should be used in such documents in their accepted meaning.
In fact "fully qualified domain name (FQDN)" falls in to the same category.
Yes, I know, not our area of expertise; I was just pushing the envelope a bit
In reply to Dave Perry
Re: Using the word "Moodle" -split from: Why Moodle is best?
by Visvanath Ratnaweera -
The ladies and gentlemen above are trying to interpret http://moodle.com/trademarks, I gather.
In reply to Visvanath Ratnaweera
Re: Using the word "Moodle" -split from: Why Moodle is best?
by dawn alderson -
and by splitting the post...there remain issues that are to be done with-I see....bit slow here....
let us look at David's post again:
On that note Mary, it states you can't use moodle in your domain name - I assume the plenty of us using moodle as a subdomain in our main domain name (e.g. moodle.hull-college.ac.uk for us) is fine?
That bullet point could use amending if so. (Yep-was it?)
This stemmed from a chap making an error....and site policy was mentioned/process of dealing with posting moodle marketing.....the moodle name and so on let us not lose site of the underpinning issue in that if peeps don't know-they are not going to get it- how many times does it take to put the cart before the horse to know communication is essential if you wish for peeps to comply.
Solution...
if trademark is not used appropriately/if moodle hosting is not supposed to be advertised in posts/if university-ac.moodleland is OK and so on
then process could be:
1. your post has done this: see site policy
2. that is the reason why I had to remove it
3. 'we' all make errors and I hope you can take time to read the site policy as we encourage you to stick around here as we value your input (honestly we do!)
Now then....open to challenge and change here as always if you can 'substantiate' why you think I am wrong.