Just an observation.
Sam.
If you look at Moodle Stats:
You can see over 50% of Moodle installations are 1.9 with the rest being made up of every other version, only a third are Moodle2.
The surprising thing was how many "Moodle registrations in the last two months" were showing as 1.9, until fairly recently a large proportion of new installs were also 1.9, no doubt performance was part of the reason for that.
> its a Vista I would worry about.
Remember the days when Chariman Ballmer was drumming us together under the slogan "All you need is Vista"? And then the "Whaaau effect" ® Vista caused. I miss it sometimes.
It must have been a great strain on this shy and introverted sportsman who excelled in chair throwing.
Remember the days when Chariman Ballmer was drumming us together under the slogan "All you need is Vista"? And then the "Whaaau effect" ® Vista caused. I miss it sometimes.
It must have been a great strain on this shy and introverted sportsman who excelled in chair throwing.
See "How to register my site (Moodle Registration)" https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=215469 and the related tracker issue '1.9 registration error "you need to call this page from a Moodle registration page"' https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDLSITE-1812.
Last entry in the tracker is that the registration fails again but I just tried and it works at the moment. My comment still stands: It is hard to judge how badly but the statistics are surely skewed at least to some degree since the registration was mostly not working for 1.9 for quite a while.
According to this report https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=261361&parent=1133873 (German) the newer versions are better and more secure!
Moodle 1.9 was the XP of HQ, 1.6 being Windows 98.
Moodle 1.9 was the XP of HQ, 1.6 being Windows 98.
awwww Sam, a bit of nostalgia eh....sending hug to you there
Jez: 'You can see over 50% of Moodle installations are 1.9 with the rest
being made up of every other version, only a third are Moodle2. The surprising thing was how many
"Moodle registrations in the last two months" were showing as 1.9,
until fairly recently a large proportion of new installs were also 1.9, no
doubt performance was part of the reason for that.' THAT IS WORTH LOOKING AT MORE CLOSELY.
Visvanath: According to this report https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=261361&parent=1133873 (German) the newer versions are better and more secure! THAT INFO IS WORTH SPREADING MORE WIDELY.
Cheers,
D
Hi there
> the newer versions are better and more secure! THAT INFO IS WORTH SPREADING MORE WIDELY.
Definitely, provided that some evidence goes with it. By that I mean for example, better in what? how compared/measured? with the results in numbers. Same thing with security. In the same discussion somebody came up with Heartbleed as an argument to why you should have the latest version of moodle. In the long run it pays to take a breath before start hammering the keyboard.
Blanket statements like the above are good at finding the shortest path to my dustbin.
> the newer versions are better and more secure! THAT INFO IS WORTH SPREADING MORE WIDELY.
Definitely, provided that some evidence goes with it. By that I mean for example, better in what? how compared/measured? with the results in numbers. Same thing with security. In the same discussion somebody came up with Heartbleed as an argument to why you should have the latest version of moodle. In the long run it pays to take a breath before start hammering the keyboard.
Blanket statements like the above are good at finding the shortest path to my dustbin.
Morning folks,
lovely sunny morning here, but not had coffee yet....(always a bad thing!)
If anyone requires further explanation about any of my comments in these forums...just simply ask me...tis that easy. Visvanath, if you want to be unpleasant ....can you shift your arse off my case!
In other words Visvanath-can you not bother me anymore, just ignore me. Thanks. I shall do the same with your posts.
As I said.......coffee, larrrrrvely sunny day here.
Cheers,
Dawn
Well better in terms of features for sure not to mention web services and the fact Moodle 2 is highly extensible with over 50 areas for plugins.
I guess the down side is its more complex and no doubt slower than old versions. If you have limited hardware resources 1.9 remains attractive?
It would be interesting to see where those installs were geographically, I wondered if they were predominantly developing countries needing something leaner?
There is probably higher density in developing countries, but I suspect that performance (including a need to get new hardware or better provider service for the newer version), extra effort to switch (particularly if they don't have dedicated technical staff to run Moodle), and local customizations that require porting are contributing factors to staying with 1.9. Version 1.9 was a highly optimized and nice round version in terms of features. For many sites, all the new bells and whistles and technological advances might not be as tempting as we would like to think. Better is in the eyes of beholder.
One click installers I have seen support pretty current releases, whether the hardware will run it once installed is another matter!
One click is probably another reason sites have not moved off 1.9 though, because there is never a "one click upgrade".
Someone using a push button installer will probably be stuck on whatever they originally got. I cannot imagine Moodle with all its complexity ever going down the wordpress route of "click to upgrade".
if you mean that one-click installers continue to offer 1.9, I bet that you are wrong. cpanel has switched to 2.x versions quite quickly and seems to always offer only a single version. Those installers, however, often fail to properly upgrade from 1.9 to newer version, which as we know works well only for simple sites, so they may indeed contribute to people staying with 1.9 not feeling competent to deal with upgrade manually.
The killer feature for staff here is drag and drop. Uploading without it, even on 1.9, is anti-intuitive enough to be a barrier for the less technical or persistent.
We've been stuck on XP - IE6/7/8 with a few Win7 - IE9 systems thrown in for donkey's years. I've failed to "sell" a different browser to our technical services the last 3 years but with a new head of IT we are now starting to roll out chrome and I can start pushing drag and drop more broadly.
It stops coarse creation being a click chore.
Hi Sam,
Indeed it is!
The following is from an informal test I made last year:
https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=233716#p1015998
Moodle 1.9 doesn't have many bells & rings, but it's very straightforward, uncomplicated and so, very easy to learn and use.
Perhaps part of the reason for more 1.9 sites is that shared/cheap hosting providers don't offer the configurations that support 2.x and offer long lists on "one-click-install" apps that include Moodle 1.9.
Yeah, it looks like 1.9 is gonna be Moodle's XP...
...hey, maybe Moodle HQ should just run with it. A Moodle XP (special "lite" version). I bet there are a tonne of users who just want Moodle to deliver SCORM, resources, and tests, and don't need or want the extra bells and whistles, especially if the hardware to support them is more expensive.
Just a thought
I'm not sure about a lite version, that gap is pretty well filled by http://www.chamilo.org/ personally I think its better to maintain a single version.
I am not sure "core" will get any more complex over the next few years in terms of the framework. If that is the case then hardware / hosts will catch up and a lite version would be little more than deleting plugins / packages in which case anyone could put together a lite distribution pretty easily... I *think*?
Hi,
returning to basics can always be an interesting thing to do, I think, because such reflection can enable, at times a jog of the memory-as to what worked really well and what was a flop....and if any of that flop has continued to exist unnoticed-or I should perhaps say-survived for reasons that do not matter anymore....so we could say when thinking about 1.9 onwards....I supppose, not my bag-as I never used 1.9.
The other end of the spectrum is that some quite amazing stuff has been designed from the latest versions of Moodle...or at least from 2. onwards.... see for example:
https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=260436
not to pick one example above another, but -well-you know....am going to just this once-and you can shout at me if you wish-I dont mind, tis a really nice day here .... I would say this:
https://learn5.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=2
is pretty awesome eh!
So, I guess my point is, simple, neat, ease of access with not too many jingle jangle bits is one thing- for one purpose- and the latter example....a well established moodle-using institution that reaches a very wide number of users for a variety of purposes (massive breadth in terms of course options), is another. I don't see why the two ends of the spectrum cannot exist, of course.
Dawn
here you go Derek:
http://www.chamilo.org/en/documentation
you have to create an account/login to have a feel of whether or not they offer what they say on the tin...
always nice to see new start-ups, makes the world go around eh....but I think in this instance...there are a lot of words used to plug (scuse that-that word is stuck in my brain at the mo) it! And, in turn remain just words to me.
e.g. social constructivism in its pedagogy section...and the aims of reaching ethical issues....through projects-sounds great....lack of detail there though...as there is in relation to the corporate set up...and some other stuff....I could be wrong, the headlines suggest....overall 'come on- you will love the accessibility of this because it is sooooo easy!'
So, simple accessibility are the the new buzz words there.
D
You can create an account on their demo site and try it. Its quite nice but builds things around a dashboard so activities are split out into sections:
A lot of things are similar to Moodle, a lot of their drag and drop looks very similar to Moodle.
Its popular in Spain and Belgium, less so in English speaking countries. Its a fork of another LMS (Dokeos) made a few years back. From what I gather the people running Dokeos wanted to make it more commercial, the community were not happy and forked it to create Chamilo.If you look at the dokeos website now its all about corporate e-learning / SAAS services, Chamilo remains open and focussed on education.
That's what happens when you start leaning into the demands of one set of users over another and why I don't think Moodle Lite is a particularly good idea. I believe its better to have the most flexible extensible core you can which allows you to build whatever you need around it. That is one of Moodles key strengths and the reason it has to date never forked.
Hey,
so when you say never forked...do you mean keeping the same version of something (kernel)...e.g. when creating a new version of moodle say for example 1.9 to 2. (I use that example to highlight my point) ....is this what is known as 'not forked'? Derr...am not clear about this.
or is it to do with OS
Moodle runs without modification (this bit)? on Unix, Linux, FreeBSD, Windows, Mac OS X, NetWare and any other systems that support PHP and a database, including most webhost providers.
D
Hi Jez,
Good point about running a lite version. Would be nice if Moodle was easy to get up and running on a cheap hosting provider, e.g. one that a teacher or organisation already has an account up and running on for their website. In most cases, Moodle 2.6 & 2.7 won't work. That's an immediate barrier to uptake right there.
Then again, there are cheap Moodle hosting providers that try to make entry as easy as possible. I think things are getting easier and cheaper in general.
I love XP and it will remain in my computer till the end of times... or at least until it can
Indeed, Moodle 1.9 is Moodle's XP... it did what it needed to do and in a very, I mean, VERY, user-friendly way for everyone: students, teachers AND admins! Just as it happened with post-XP versions, it seems designers had as their main purpose making admins' life next to impossible: what you could do in 30 seconds and 12 clicks now requires three or more minutes and endless, endless clicks and waiting in between. I'll just skip the correct, technical adjectives to colorfully describe this, and so...
Long Live Moodle 1.9 萬歳
I just moved three machines from XP / Win7 over to Linux Mint / Edubuntu and wish I had done it ages ago.
In the past I stuck with Windows as I thought my wife would complain about the loss of MS Office but she gets on fine with Libre.We still have a Win7 PC but its getting really slow, will probably dual boot that in a few months if everyone's still happy with Linux.
Other than the updates crippling my Netbook and now it seems my aging PC I like Win7, its the best OS they released since XP and looks set to remain that way for a while.
However, I am not prepared to replace serviceable hardware to keep using it... and I guess the same is true for people running serviceable servers for Moodle 1.9.
Same here. Not for me, but for people attached to the university. One had a 'weak' netbook, on which he tried some light version of Win 7 and were unhappy. During our Linux Initiative the owner installed Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) and speechless.
Then there were computer terminals for public access, Windows XP but polluted and on the verge of death. Now gotton new life with LMDE.
Then there were computer terminals for public access, Windows XP but polluted and on the verge of death. Now gotton new life with LMDE.
One of the best things about slashdot, of course, is the comments:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4984905&cid=46658399
Talking of Slashdot comments, here is a collection of the vitriolic kind:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/06/23/2050200/microsoft-wants-you-to-trade-your-macbook-air-in-for-a-surface-pro-3.
;-'
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/06/23/2050200/microsoft-wants-you-to-trade-your-macbook-air-in-for-a-surface-pro-3.
;-'
I had to go to Linux. My aging system gave up the ghost so I got a mobo bundle and upgraded the hardware.
Getting a new motherboard without an IDE cable socket I had no CD/DVD. Linux installed right off a usb drive no problem. Even with a CD/DVD I'd have probably needed to make an XP service pack 3 disc and there'd be no guarantee that it could handle the hardware even then.
Having spent years supporting Windows problems (Windows half life, malware, etc) it's nice to have a system that pretty much just worked out of the box and takes care of itself. On the other hand, Linux has it's own problems: why doesn't the second hard drive mount for my wife's login? What the hell is the executable bit about? why does it crash as much as Windows? /rhetorical.
But XP is still not dead as I have to run it in a VM to get some stuff done (WINE doesn't handle photoshop well) and there's still a part of me that would prefer it over Linux.
There's no way I'd go back to Moodle 1.9 though.
