Questions on questions

Questions on questions

by Derek Chirnside -
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I could not find definative answers to these questions.

If I have questons 1-4 in quiz A, and I copy quiz A to make quiz B, what will happen if

  1. In quiz B, Edit Question 1 to change the mark from 2 to 4?
    Does quiz A, question 1  remain the same?
  2. In quiz B, Edit Question 2 to have some different multiple choice options?
    Does question 2 in quiz A remain the same?
  3. What is the effect of changing manual grading to deferred feedback in a quiz where some students have already sat the quiz?

I know here that point 2 is a little ambiguous.  I've suddenly realisd I'm not sure if I am editing the question in Quiz B or the source question in the list of questions.

-Derek

 

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Re: Questions on questions

by Tim Hunt -
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1. Depends if you edit the 'Default mark' in the question definition, or the Max mark on the question editing page. The latter only affects that specific quiz. The former has no effect. Default mark only has an effect when adding the question to a new quiz.

2. Depends on what the the "copy quiz A to make quiz B" does, which depends on where the question is in the question bank. Either the two quizzes will end up pointing ot the same shared question, or they will not.

3. Which behaviour to use is recored when the student clicks 'Start attempt'. So, students who have already started the quiz will continue to see Manual gradined behaviour. Students who start later will see deferred feedback. (There was a whole thread about that recently.)

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Re: Questions on questions

by Derek Chirnside -

Ah, thanks.  Q1, Q3, sorted.  Q2, need to do some more thinking.  Your answer Tim is probably 100% correct but also tells me nothing.  I shall trial and error.

Next questions:

Q4: Is there a way to get to the Manual Grading report more readily than the click through the menu items?  I was also looking for it in Course administration and Quiz administration.

Q5: In the manual grading report, the two links below both seem to go to the same thing: a page full of unmarked questions.  Should this happen?

Q6: is there a screen that shows all the unmarked question for one user? (As opposed to all the quesion N's that are not marked)

Thanks.

-Derek

You can tell I'm just new at this in a hands on sense.  Up until now people I have worked withwo have done this have just done it themselves.  smile

 

 

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Re: Questions on questions

by Tim Hunt -
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Q4 in Moodle 2.5, the link to the reports will move to the Quiz administration menu. (MDL-31983)

Q5 After you have graded some attempts at a question, then the links will show different things.

Q6 No. Reviewing a student's attempt is as close as you can get. It would not be that hard to create a similar interface that did manua grading by user, rather than by question, but someone would have to do that.

Q2 OK, let my try to explain with some examples:

  • If the questions are in the course area of the question bank (where they go by default) then if you copy the quiz within the same course, it reuses the same questions, it does not create new copies.
  • If you copy that same quiz to a new course, then it will make new copies of the quetsions in the new course, becuase the old ones are not accessible.
  • If the questions are in the area of the question bank specific to the particular quiz, then when you copy the quiz, the questions are alwasy duplicated.
  • If the questions are shared are shared at the System level of the question bank, then if you copy the quiz anywhere within that Moodle site, the questions will be re-used rather than duplicated.

So, bascially, if Moodle can 'see' the necessary questions from the place where you are restoring the quiz, then it will reuse them, otherwise it will make new instances. (Copying uses the backup and restore system to make the copy, so really this is about what the restore code does.)

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Re: Questions on questions

by Derek Chirnside -

Tim, great, thanks, I may add these comments to the docs sometime.  My final question I hope.

Q7. If we have an error in a question, in my case a drag and drop with two answers interchanged so both are wrong then - 

Options seem to the these:

  1. Give the question zero marks
  2. You can't delete the question.  From the help: http://docs.moodle.org/24/en/Using_Quiz#How_teachers_view_a_quiz
  3. You can manually over-ride the grade:  From the help: http://docs.moodle.org/24/en/Using_Quiz#Commenting_on_or_regrading_responses

Is there any way to EDIT a question and then regrade the quiz?

-Derek

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Re: Questions on questions

by Tim Hunt -
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It depends on the question type.

For most question types, you can edit the question's grading rules, and then go to Quiz -> Results -> Grades and re-grade the quiz to get the scores updated.

The problem is with specific question types. In core it is matching, and the add-on drag-and-drop matching inherits the same problem. Because of the way that question type works internally, the regrade does not do what you would expect.

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