Moodle Certified Professional

Moodle Certified Professional

by Darren Smith -
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Does anyone agree with me that there would be a demand for such a qualification?

I see this as a great way for moodle.com to raise some funds, promote moodle in education and also add an official stamp of approval to people who work with and promote moodle.

Clearly the courses would be online (dunno which CMS would be best for this type of content delivery clown) with perhaps payment for the course and / or payment for certification. Courses could cover a variety of moodle users depending upon need. An initial list could include certification for:
  • Site Admins
  • Hosts
  • Content Providers
  • Developer
I want to learn more about the workings of moodle and would be happy to pay. I would personally learn quicker if I were following a structured course rather than asking questions in various forums.

Also, this could be a way to get institutions to give money to moodle.com

Discuss .... thoughtful
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Re: Moodle Certified Professional

by Peter DeBruyn -
I'll signup for training, just point me in the right direction.  I think my biggest problems with learning Moodle actually have more to do with trying to understand php and the conventions moodle uses in programming. 
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Re: Moodle Certified Professional

by Darren Smith -
Many thanks for the reply, Peter. How much would you pay???? Which course would you sign up to?

I think I could get almost any amount out of my (VERY SUPPORTIVE) school for a professional qualification but what about the rest of you!!!

Course fees would pay for the tutor (it would HAVE to be of a constructivist nature) and the rest go to moodle.com - I think it would be woth it just for the experience of being a student on an online moodle course. That would be worth it's weigth in gold. You could also have an online course for new moodle teachers.

Anyone else think this is a good idea?
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by Joyce Smith -
Hi Darren,
An online course for teachers , (new to Moodle) is a great idea !
Last year , moodlers were offered a wonderful opportunity to take part in a course
Teaching on line with Moodle
by Przemyslaw Stencel (our Moodle Documentation Leader )
I , and some of my colleagues learned heaps , and had fun !!
Have you had a squiz through the Moodle 'Partners' sites ? heaps of experience and knowledge there ! and courses already set up. For example :
Moodle School NZ
How To Moodle
 Moodle.com.au
to name only a few ! !
These sites offer courses on teaching, administration of sites, setting up etc
Maybe the 'partners' could get together to provide a 'certificate course' for us  at the requisite fee obviously .

Joyce smile

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by Simon Reynolds -

I think this would be a very worthwhile move.

It would also show those using webCT etc. that Moodle is going to be a major player in e-learning.

I would be more than happy to help write the course although I wouldn't do this all by my self (too lonely!). I also have access to Macromedia Captivate for interactive demos etc.

Any ideas for content/levels? Maybe two courses. One to get started with Moodle and one to support educationalists in starting to write their own materials. Or even three or four or.....

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Re: Moodle Certified Professional

by Darren Smith -
You have just given me an interesting thought!

The courses could be created by the moodle community (it's so obvious now I think about it!). It could be kind of like a wiki approach to constructing an online course. I'm sure we all have resources and ideas we could contribute.

Perhaps the courses could be accessed freely by guests but if you wish to take part in the activities then you would pay a small amount to cover the cost of having a teacher interact and help and the rest going to moodle.com. Certificate on completion and also a comment next to your name in the forum posts for kodus?
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by Timothy Takemoto -
I think that should be Kudos. And I would pay!
Please design the course, someone.
Timothy
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by elearning edu -

Hi,

Already there exists an online course for teachers and content developers.  My partner Reed educational company designed the course to teach their online teachers as in house program.  I, as an online teacher participated in this course.  The URL is : http://continuetolearn.com/classroom/ please visit start learning online right now course and enroll for viewing one unit.

Mrs.Jenny Whatt is a highly competent trainer of trainer.  The course is of two months duration.  I can join with her to structure the program for moodle certification for pre specified CEUs.  Already there is a tie up with Texas A & M University for certification.

Instead of reinventing the wheel and following the principles of reuse we may opt for this arrangement.  Based on the consensus I can approach Mr.Reed for designing a certified Moodle online teaching course.  The course will be available in Spanish too.

Nagarajan

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Re: Moodle Certified Professional

by Chris Ainsworth -

Darren

While your concept is sound, the practicalities of developing such a program, delivering it and then maintaining the standards is a BIG ASK. I can speak from two areas, one as a MCSE, (and I am working on my Linux skill formalisation), and the other in that I have recently written a Recognition of Current Competency (RCC) Program for an Australian Quality Training Framework Advanced Diploma for a University.

The RCC program was a two year $200K plus project, and that did not even look at skills gap training. As the first validation candidate for the award, the level of co-ordination of accrediting body including external auditors was the biggest hurdle to be overcome. You also need to ask what external qualifications and what pre-requisites will be recognised. How will all this be measured? Who will be the final authority? Will it be a panel? Will it be left to Martin? Who will be the Auditors of the program? And finally is it worth the expense?

For a base certification of Moodle in the 4 areas you consider I suspect the development costs (based on my experience) would approach approx US$1million, if the program was to have any credibility. I believe that level of investment would be better directed to further development of Moodle at this stage. 

I will take up one on one of your heading of Content Provider. As an Australian Flexible Learning Leader (2001) how do you measure the standards of Content Development I believe we place too much emphasis on content development and too little on training delivery. It is my belief after 5 years of research that unless you have a definitive needs for re-usable data (Military ore about the only people who have the need for vast amounts of reusable material due to their numbers) that we are better off with quick and dirty techniques for delivering content. In the 5 years I have been delivering, the core information has a lifecycle of between 6-12 months. Much of todays education falls into the same category, for no other reason than we are moving forward at a rapid pace. Look at the many books that are produced today. How many can be really termed reference books that are re-used over and over again by individuals. Look at the high cost of book purchases student make each year in all levels of education, only to see them thrown away and never used again.

I personally believe that selective sections of review are more practical and then use the like of Moodle to draw synchronous and asynchronous discussions, engage students. Oh hell say lecturers and teachers, that means more work for us. If done correctly it is really less work as the students eventually undertake the learning only guided occasionally by a good facilitator. On-line is a whole different ball game to Face to Face, yet I know in Australia, many think that if you can teach (jug to mug as I refer it to) in front of a class room, toy can teach on-line. 

This may also be an area that could be explored in Dons Learning Design program.

This is only the very tip of the iceberg in tis area. What are your thoughts? 

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Re: Moodle Certified Professional

by Joyce Smith -
Chris,
Were you ever a Cobol programmer ?
Joyce
sleepy
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by Timothy Takemoto -
Don't we have Moodle Certified Professionals already hat   ?
Hat purchase would be nice though smile.
 
Timothy

Ps, sorry I have not looked at that header problem. It is working for me (special header only in quiz)
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by Jelle Boomstra -
Well I agree that some sort of certification could be n advantage to both providers and buyers. The problem is that it will cost a lot of effert to get everything organised, and Chris already pointed out that money could be spent better to further improve and extend moodle.
For the four catecories you mentioned, I can only comment on the developer side of things, but for this category you can easily combine the 'certification' and development on moodle.
Basically to become a 'moodle certified developer', you have to get code accepted in a final release. If the quality of code and the need it fulfills is enough to be accepted, you are of good enough quality to call yourself a moodle certified developer.

The extra things you need for that is formalising the procedures how new code is recieved, reviewed and accepted. That would be a worthwile investment anyway as it would improve code quality.

One downside of such a mechanism could be competition between fellow developers. For established developers there could be too little incentive to accept more develpoers into their ranks, as the demand for moodle programmers is finite. Maybe one should not specialise such a certificate on a particular program, but apply it to any usefull program.

Anyway, I'll start working on getting code ready (but probably not for 1.5 as it has or should have a feature freeze right now)

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by N Hansen -
As for hosts, I think that is what the Moodle partner program more or less does.

As for content providers, frankly, I think their knowledge of the particular field of knowledge of the CONTENT they are providing is a lot more important than their knowledge of Moodle. Sure, they will need to learn how to use Moodle, but in the end, I would rather take someone whose content background was stronger and have them learn Moodle than the other way around.
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by Darren Smith -
I think I am going to dissagree with you here!

There is a distinct difference between providing good content and providing good content using Moodle. Moodle courses should steer students into discussions and other social activities which build upon existing knowledge.

Yes content is important but it is not the most important aspect of online learning. I think some 'official' recognition to those providers which provide courses that use Moodle features for interaction would also help promote the social aspects of online course delivery.
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by Timothy Takemoto -

You are right Darren, there is a distinct difference.

But, ach, bearing that in mind, no matter how much I paid, I might well fail the course; I don't do (or even, realistically, want to do) social constructivism with Moodle.

But perhaps there could be a 'dark side of the Moodle Certified Professional'darkhat, for those who are adept at whipping loads of students through online Moodle mazes smile.

Timothy

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by N Hansen -
Darren-I don't disagree there is a difference between providing good content and providing good content in Moodle. And that some people may be better at creating Moodle content than others, especially with some sort of training. However I think you are focusing more on the "online" aspect of online learning than the "learning" aspect. And perhaps this is due to the fact that you are working in a secondary school, where creating content doesn't require as much knowledge of the subject (since it is fairly basic knowledge) as the ability to create something that will keep the kids' attention. And to get into the secondary and primary education field requires a background in pedagogy simply to get a license to teach.

But if we are talking about higher levels of education, or specialized knowledge, then I think it is somewhat different. In that environment, people come to learn a specific subject, and the expertise in that subject necessary to produce content in the field often requires years of education in the field. I think in most cases it is a lot easier to get someone up to speed in using Moodle (or at least I would hope that Moodle is that easy to use) than it would be to familiarize them with years of subject specific knowledge. If you were a Moodle certified content provider, but you had no medical background, I don't think you would have any business providing content for a online nursing program for instance. No one studying nursing online would be looking for the bells and whistles of Moodle, they would be looking for content that would help them to do their job properly, and that had been developed by an expert in nursing, not content development.

And personally, I am a bit leery altogether of the concept of content providers who simply provide repackageable content. I don't believe in one-size fits all McDonalds-style learning, and it has become all to easy to do that these days with the Internet and the ease of cutting and pasting. I believe teachers should put more effort into creating original content themselves.

And finally you say, "Moodle courses should steer students into discussions and other social activities which build upon existing knowledge." I disagree, it is not the Moodle courses themselves that should do the steering, but the teachers themselves interacting with the students and the students themselves. The Moodle course should facilitate this, but it is humans ultimately who do the steering, not software.
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by Bob Gettings -
Why certification? Don't we _mostly_ want more training? I think we should separate the issue of learning and training from ceritification.

Certification is a formal recognition from some organization that is recognized as an authority in judging wheter completing an certain course of study is sufficient to qualify as an expert in a certain set of skills. Nothing wrong with that! It's OK for getting money out of school budgets and such things.

But IMHO there is a stronger need in the global Moodal community for training. From a social constructivist point of view and in the spirit of open source open knowledge what might be needed is free online training developed collectively.

Could this come as a spinnoff of the Documentation Project as some folks have mentioned earlier in this thread? And as seems to be hapening a bit now?

Of course, one level of "certification" is being listed as a Moodle Partner. There is an application process http://moodle.com/partners/ but I would think that dealing with the process might take up some time on the part of Martin and others.

I guess that I think there are dangers in focussing too much on the need for certification rather than on the basic needs of most teachers for training. It's a bit like putting the cart before the horse. My feeling is that the overwhelming need now is in the open knowledge area: for basic documentation and for training that is open to all. The need for certification exists but is not quite as overwhelming.

Setting up a certification process before there are any training materials available is a bit top down for me big grin Unless of course the powers that are or might be - there would have to be some kind of International Moodle Certification Board (based in Australia) - licensed out Moodle Certification in some way mixed

"Moodle Training Partners" based on the ability of the partner to provide loads of quality open knowledge documentation to the community - read Documentation Project?? cool
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Re: Moodle Certified Professional

by Martin Dougiamas -
Picture of Core developers Picture of Documentation writers Picture of Moodle HQ Picture of Particularly helpful Moodlers Picture of Plugin developers Picture of Testers
We already have the Moodle Partners scheme, Darren, which does exactly what you propose already: it certifies providers to a certain standard and provides funds for moodle.com (via royalties).

Another avenue is to teach around this course long enough (and well enough) to get into this group.

Both of these imply a real ongoing committment and deeper knowledge beyond some simple paid course/assessment. For now this is all I am interested in, though I know others like that "bit of paper" so perhaps in future we can look at this again.

There is another thread about teaching certificates you may be interested in.
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Re: Moodle Certified Professional

by Darren Smith -
Hello

I don't think I am explaining myself too well!

It isn't the certification that is of interest to me at all really. That would just be a useful byproduct which would keep employers happy and promote the scheme. Perhaps the title of the thread is misleading.

The main aspect of interest for me (and, i feel, many moodlers) is having a course with a course leader that would take moodlers through a series of activities and resources which would increase knowledge and understanding.

For example, for new moodlers you would have something like the Moodle Features Demo but it would be a structured course with a tutor and interaction with others.

Obviously there are other aspects people may wish to learn and pay to learn about (hence certification would make it easier to get payment from employers).

There are resources available to help people increase their moodle knowledge (eg documentation project) but these resources are static (apart from these forums) with no teacher / student interaction or guidance. You have to admit that this static approach to learning moodle is a little strange for a piece of software which promotes a more social way of building knowledge.
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Courses about Moodle

by Martin Dougiamas -
Picture of Core developers Picture of Documentation writers Picture of Moodle HQ Picture of Particularly helpful Moodlers Picture of Plugin developers Picture of Testers
Um, Using Moodle is exactly that social course. It's meant to be taken in conjunction with running your own Moodle courses. Hope you're enjoying it! smile

If you know someone who wants to run the type of courses you're talking about let me know.
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Re: Courses about Moodle

by Dave Ray -

>>>Um, Using Moodle is exactly that social course.

   Yes, thanks Martin!  As a part-time programmer and educator Moodle has been delivering for years via e-mail an interactive certification class. This class "Using Moodle" has a life/personality of its own. The resources and professional advice available are limited only by ones willingness to engage others. This valued engagement is building a commnuity of
inspired educators/trainers dynamically advancing the process of learning.
No price can be placed on the intangible value of this community.

my 2 cents

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Re: Courses about Moodle

by Darren Smith -
I am enjoying Using Moodle very much but not everyone learns the same way smile

The courses site you posted looks exactly like what I was after  (Why didn't somebody mention it!). Personally I am looking for a course which will show me how to hack moodle and program blocks and mods (I don't know if administrating moodle is that or more from a user point of view) but those two courses could be great for many of my collegues and it would save me time if I could get them on them.

Is the plan for them to run to a timeline or self-paced?
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Re: Courses about Moodle

by Martin Dougiamas -
Picture of Core developers Picture of Documentation writers Picture of Moodle HQ Picture of Particularly helpful Moodlers Picture of Plugin developers Picture of Testers
Currently there is no plan ... it was a site I set up about two years ago and never had time for since.  All it needs is a real teacher there (who has time and skillz).

But, for how to hack Moodle, again, you're in the right course already.  Just get started (start small) and holler for help in the appropriate forum when you get stuck.