Hi
I am researching Moodle for a thesis, part of that is the ability to adapt Moodle and integrate it with other systems. One of the things I wanted to try is to use a different Wiki system (Wikka for example) in Moodle instead of the currently moduled one. This is not a critisism to the current Wiki integration in Moodle, I'm just exploring possibilities to easily switch or add modules like this.
I haven't found anything on it and I haven't actually tried it yet but could someone maybe comment on the possibilities? How easy/hard is it, is the wiki very much adapted to use in Moodle?
Thanks!
The current Wiki in Moodle is not a good one, like, the flag function never work. That is, you cannot lock (RO) a page or flag any page.
The best Wiki, I think, is http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/
It can make auto TOC (Table of content) as well.
If you can adapt Wikipedia, that will be fantastic. Email to Martin (The moodle man) to talk about your idea.
The best Wiki, I think, is http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/
It can make auto TOC (Table of content) as well.
If you can adapt Wikipedia, that will be fantastic. Email to Martin (The moodle man) to talk about your idea.
Hi there,
I think that the best wiki is http://tikiwiki.sourceforge.net web-based Groupware.
Is easy to install and powerful. for example visit http://www.sedredacademica.net/tikiwiki
I fully agree with Rodolfo.
I've been using wikis for two years (plenty, on my own or shared servers), and Tikiwiki is the one I like the most, rich in features, fairly plane learning curve (According to my own experience teaching students on howto use it, in just 1 hour), easy to install, config, etc.
Some people from the tikiwiki community related to education (http://edu.tikiwiki.org) are studying the possibility to join tikiwiki (as CMS/GRoupware) and Moodle as one of the bests (if not "The" best
LMS free soft. solution.
It would be great to see the wiki module in tikiwiki, adapted to work with moodle...
Some information about using the wiki (in tikiwiki) for educational field, see: [http://uniwiki.ourproject.org]
And specially, some of our results that we presented in a congress some months ago:
http://uniwiki.ourproject.org/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=7
I've been using wikis for two years (plenty, on my own or shared servers), and Tikiwiki is the one I like the most, rich in features, fairly plane learning curve (According to my own experience teaching students on howto use it, in just 1 hour), easy to install, config, etc.
Some people from the tikiwiki community related to education (http://edu.tikiwiki.org) are studying the possibility to join tikiwiki (as CMS/GRoupware) and Moodle as one of the bests (if not "The" best
It would be great to see the wiki module in tikiwiki, adapted to work with moodle...
Some information about using the wiki (in tikiwiki) for educational field, see: [http://uniwiki.ourproject.org]
And specially, some of our results that we presented in a congress some months ago:
http://uniwiki.ourproject.org/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=7
While I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from trying, tikiwiki is an extremely complex stand alone portal/community/workgroup solution on its own. It is not a wiki, but rather a platform that uses a wiki as its basic paradigm.
I'm not sure that integrating it with Moodle would even make sense. Certainly, someone would need to draw up a plan of which application's pieces would do what and go where.
mike
I'm not sure that integrating it with Moodle would even make sense. Certainly, someone would need to draw up a plan of which application's pieces would do what and go where.
mike
Hi Mike:
By the way, thanks a lot for you nice work integrating ewiki with moodle (I started adapting myself ewiki for Claroline two years ago, and thought of pushing ewiki integration into moodle, but I had to stop using moodle by then due to lack of support for it in our university).
I agree that ewiki is the easiest full featured wiki engine to be integrated into moodle or any other php application (not tikiwiki, I know.
However there are plans for splitting tikiwki features into modules (similar to phpnuke'd websites), and also there is tiki-light (which is a wiki and a very little else, afaik). This might make easier to adapt the wiki from Tiki to any other program.
Well, if the person which is studying the kind-of-integration of Tiki and moodle succedds (who knows, you'll hear again about it.
The idea is to use it, afaik (again), for the WikiCampus project:
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=25496&group_id=123746
Ok, good luck with wiki use in moodle (I hope one day I can use it for my educational paid work at uni or wherever
Cheers,
Xavier
By the way, thanks a lot for you nice work integrating ewiki with moodle (I started adapting myself ewiki for Claroline two years ago, and thought of pushing ewiki integration into moodle, but I had to stop using moodle by then due to lack of support for it in our university).
I agree that ewiki is the easiest full featured wiki engine to be integrated into moodle or any other php application (not tikiwiki, I know
However there are plans for splitting tikiwki features into modules (similar to phpnuke'd websites), and also there is tiki-light (which is a wiki and a very little else, afaik). This might make easier to adapt the wiki from Tiki to any other program.
Well, if the person which is studying the kind-of-integration of Tiki and moodle succedds (who knows
The idea is to use it, afaik (again), for the WikiCampus project:
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=25496&group_id=123746
Ok, good luck with wiki use in moodle (I hope one day I can use it for my educational paid work at uni or wherever
Cheers,
Xavier
What version of Moodle do you have?
I'm having several problems with wikis in Moodle, but this in particular is not an issue for me. I have several wikis with the first page flagged Read-Only, and other dependent pages open for studenst to edit.
I am using 1.4.3
- Enrique -
I'm having several problems with wikis in Moodle, but this in particular is not an issue for me. I have several wikis with the first page flagged Read-Only, and other dependent pages open for studenst to edit.
I am using 1.4.3
- Enrique -
Have you reported this as a bug in the bug tracker?
mike
mike
The wiki that was integrated into Moodle was erfurtwiki (ewiki). It was chosen because it was built to be integrated into other applications rather than stand alone.
To integrate another wiki as a module, you would first need to determine how to modify the code so that it could act as a Moodle module. This is not a small undertaking, but one that anyone is welcome to try. Anything that adds improvements or added functionality is always welcome.
However, you may be better suited to try and suggest improvements to the existing one. Even better, take out the code, experiment and offer the changes back! Many of use would be happy to have another developer.
mike
To integrate another wiki as a module, you would first need to determine how to modify the code so that it could act as a Moodle module. This is not a small undertaking, but one that anyone is welcome to try. Anything that adds improvements or added functionality is always welcome.
However, you may be better suited to try and suggest improvements to the existing one. Even better, take out the code, experiment and offer the changes back! Many of use would be happy to have another developer.
mike
Mike writes "suggest improvements to the existing one".
I know EWiki and use it for other work. There are already many plug-ins which are not (yet?) aktivated in the Moodle implementation.
I know EWiki and use it for other work. There are already many plug-ins which are not (yet?) aktivated in the Moodle implementation.
Hi Urs -
Absolutely there are many enhancements that can be added via the plug-in capability of EWiki. They aren't activated so that we have minimum required functionality. I don't think its a good idea to just activate them all either.
I think it makes more sense to figure out what and if we need them, and then activate them. But certainly, anyone can custom fit their own installation.
mike
Absolutely there are many enhancements that can be added via the plug-in capability of EWiki. They aren't activated so that we have minimum required functionality. I don't think its a good idea to just activate them all either.
I think it makes more sense to figure out what and if we need them, and then activate them. But certainly, anyone can custom fit their own installation.
mike
What is the added value of integrating YAW? (yet another wiki)
Erfurt wiki is rich and complete with the integrated HTML-editor and the added password-structure. (And yes, Mike still finds new ways to improve it, a happy miracle)
I think you should focus more on the question of added functionality for the students, teachers have now enough toys in Moodle: for example in your area of wiki's:
- students could profit from a wiki that helps them to keep APA or MLA syntax when they are gathering resources - and not at the end! - for their piece of art. http://wikindx.sourceforge.net/
- wiki's that help students to create a written structure with export to xml and publish facilities: start on a page like this: http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:compare
- find tools that can help students to plan (an easy workbreakdown in a gantt), visualise ideas (freemind) and find ways to integrate these in the workflow of a Moodle course.
I thought I was clear enough on this point. It's not about the wiki that's in there or that there are others that are better.
What I want to test is the ability to integrate modules like a 'random' wiki into moodle. It could have been a complelety different module, it just happens that a fellow student here is researching wiki's and using it in a class that we will also introduce moodle to. I was just wondering how easy or hard it would be to do this type of customization.
What I want to test is the ability to integrate modules like a 'random' wiki into moodle. It could have been a complelety different module, it just happens that a fellow student here is researching wiki's and using it in a class that we will also introduce moodle to. I was just wondering how easy or hard it would be to do this type of customization.
Karen,
Thanks for the clarification. Regardless of what underlying wiki engine is used for the module, I think a very important consideration is how well it integrates into the Moodle user interface. It's been mentioned in other discussions, but I think Moodle is close to imploding (like WebCT almost did) due to increasing inconsistencies of user interface and overwhelming features as more modules are added. The other wikis mentioned have some positive things going for them (also negative such as TikiWiki "kitchen sink" overkill) but are pretty set on their way of doing things. Mike's done great work in adapting ewiki to integrate into Moodle that I don't think can be easily done with many other wiki engines without looking like "hanging furry dice on a Mercedes car mirror".
Cheers,
Bob
"inconsistencies" yes, it's a problem. I hope after 1.5 is out with the new themes that we can have less rush on piling in features and more attention paid to sorting these out ... For example the Wiki still needs a lot of smoothing out, and Workshop and Lesson just scare me 
What is scary about lesson? It's just a cute little hypercard wannabe in a big ol'moodle.
Firstly, I've had occasion to trundle through that big spaghetti script a few times lately .. secondly the interface is getting very, er, busy. The first view a teacher has of it has 30 options! I rewrote Ray's Mixed Case strings last week too.
But this is getting off-topic, sorry.
But this is getting off-topic, sorry.
Hi Karin -
I understood you. A concrete answer isn't possible though - there are too many variables.
Creating a Moodle module is pretty well documented - look in the 'contrib' directory in CVS for the 'NEWMODULE' directory. Any other problems or questions you have while doing it are best discussed in the General Developers forum here on Moodle.
To answer how long it would take to integrate any other wiki into Moodle can't be answered. It all depends on how easy the code you are integrating gets along with Moodle.
mike
I understood you. A concrete answer isn't possible though - there are too many variables.
Creating a Moodle module is pretty well documented - look in the 'contrib' directory in CVS for the 'NEWMODULE' directory. Any other problems or questions you have while doing it are best discussed in the General Developers forum here on Moodle.
To answer how long it would take to integrate any other wiki into Moodle can't be answered. It all depends on how easy the code you are integrating gets along with Moodle.
mike