Moodle in English: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

David Mudrák - 2009年11月3日星期二 01:15

Hi,

it's time to start the first round of Moodle Workshop 2.0 public testing. I have prepared a test site with the new version installed for those who can't sleep for the last six months to see this in action

Be warned - according to MDL-17827, there are still some subtasks to finish, most notably the support for training the assessment on the example submissions provided by teacher. Also, some features - like the proper anonymity checking - are not reviewed yet and are pretty well expected not to work at some places at the moment. And of course, there is no help or documentation written yet. Just click as crazy and see what happens

Please, in this first round, do not report the 2.0 bugs into the tracker yet but leave them as a reply in this thread instead.

The primary goal of this first testing round is to gather initial comments and feelings on the user interface. What I need at the moment are reports like "if the workshop is in the submission phase, teacher should see the list of all submissions". or "student should be informed on the time left for submitting" etc.

Thanks in advance for your time.

p.s. looking for a link to the test site? Try http://test.moodle.org/workshop/ and join our party

Edited by David on 3/11/2009: added a link to a test site

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

Jordi Voltas i Aguilar - 2009年11月3日星期二 05:53

Hi, to define a Rubric is not yet ready, it's ok?

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

David Mudrák - 2009年11月3日星期二 06:17

No, Rubrics are supported. Just create a new workshop and set the grading strategy method to Rubric. Then (after saving the module form), click "Edit assessment form".

d.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

David Mudrák - 2009年11月4日星期三 04:32

I just realized you were right - there was a bug in the Rubric code. Should be fixed now, I was able to prepare s rubric form.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

David Mudrák - 2009年11月3日星期二 20:40

It is not secret any more. The test site is up and running at http://test.moodle.org/workshop/. For those early birds who got the invitation yesterday: forget the old address and use this one. Thanks.

d.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

Mary Cooch - 2009年11月4日星期三 01:35

Hi there. I am trying to do as above and create a workshop with rubric - but when I click save and display I get error attached

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

Mary Cooch - 2009年11月4日星期三 01:37

...and then when I click on "edit assessment form" I get this one:

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

Josep M. Fontana - 2009年11月4日星期三 02:05

I get the following one after I save ('edit assesment form'). By the way, 'edit assesment form' is the rubric, isn't it?

link_to_popup_window() has been deprecated. Please change your code to use $OUTPUT->link().

line 2474 of /lib/deprecatedlib.php: call to debugging()
line ? of unknownfile: call to link_to_popup_window()
line 71 of /lib/form/select.php: call to call_user_func_array()
line 67 of /lib/form/modgrade.php: call to MoodleQuickForm_select->setHelpButton()
line 366 of /lib/pear/HTML/QuickForm/element.php: call to MoodleQuickForm_modgrade->onQuickFormEvent()
line 598 of /lib/pear/HTML/QuickForm/select.php: call to HTML_QuickForm_element->onQuickFormEvent()
line 70 of /lib/form/modgrade.php: call to HTML_QuickForm_select->onQuickFormEvent()
line 572 of /lib/pear/HTML/QuickForm.php: call to MoodleQuickForm_modgrade->onQuickFormEvent()
line 602 of /lib/pear/HTML/QuickForm.php: call to HTML_QuickForm->_loadElement()
line 62 of /mod/workshop/form/accumulative/edit_form.php: call to HTML_QuickForm->addElement()
line 64 of /mod/workshop/form/edit_form.php: call to workshop_edit_accumulative_strategy_form->definition_inner()
line 149 of /lib/formslib.php: call to workshop_edit_strategy_form->definition()
line 98 of /mod/workshop/form/accumulative/lib.php: call to moodleform->moodleform()
line 52 of /mod/workshop/editform.php: call to workshop_accumulative_strategy->get_edit_strategy_form()

link_to_popup_window() has been deprecated. Please change your code to use $OUTPUT->link().

line 2474 of /lib/deprecatedlib.php: call to debugging()
line ? of unknownfile: call to link_to_popup_window()
line 71 of /lib/form/select.php: call to call_user_func_array()
line 67 of /lib/form/modgrade.php: call to MoodleQuickForm_select->setHelpButton()
line 366 of /lib/pear/HTML/QuickForm/element.php: call to MoodleQuickForm_modgrade->onQuickFormEvent()
line 598 of /lib/pear/HTML/QuickForm/select.php: call to HTML_QuickForm_element->onQuickFormEvent()
line 70 of /lib/form/modgrade.php: call to HTML_QuickForm_select->onQuickFormEvent()
line 572 of /lib/pear/HTML/QuickForm.php: call to MoodleQuickForm_modgrade->onQuickFormEvent()
line 602 of /lib/pear/HTML/QuickForm.php: call to HTML_QuickForm->_loadElement()
line 62 of /mod/workshop/form/accumulative/edit_form.php: call to HTML_QuickForm->addElement()
line 64 of /mod/workshop/form/edit_form.php: call to workshop_edit_accumulative_strategy_form->definition_inner()
line 149 of /lib/formslib.php: call to workshop_edit_strategy_form->definition()
line 98 of /mod/workshop/form/accumulative/lib.php: call to moodleform->moodleform()
line 52 of /mod/workshop/editform.php: call to workshop_accumulative_strategy->get_edit_strategy_form()

link_to_popup_window() has been deprecated. Please change your code to use $OUTPUT->link().

line 2474 of /lib/deprecatedlib.php: call to debugging()
line ? of unknownfile: call to link_to_popup_window()
line 71 of /lib/form/select.php: call to call_user_func_array()
line 67 of /lib/form/modgrade.php: call to MoodleQuickForm_select->setHelpButton()
line 366 of /lib/pear/HTML/QuickForm/element.php: call to MoodleQuickForm_modgrade->onQuickFormEvent()
line 598 of /lib/pear/HTML/QuickForm/select.php: call to HTML_QuickForm_element->onQuickFormEvent()
line 70 of /lib/form/modgrade.php: call to HTML_QuickForm_select->onQuickFormEvent()
line 572 of /lib/pear/HTML/QuickForm.php: call to MoodleQuickForm_modgrade->onQuickFormEvent()
line 602 of /lib/pear/HTML/QuickForm.php: call to HTML_QuickForm->_loadElement()
line 62 of /mod/workshop/form/accumulative/edit_form.php: call to HTML_QuickForm->addElement()
line 64 of /mod/workshop/form/edit_form.php: call to workshop_edit_accumulative_strategy_form->definition_inner()
line 149 of /lib/formslib.php: call to workshop_edit_strategy_form->definition()
line 98 of /mod/workshop/form/accumulative/lib.php: call to moodleform->moodleform()
line 52 of /mod/workshop/editform.php: call to workshop_accumulative_strategy->get_edit_strategy_form()

This page should automatically redirect. If nothing is happening please use the continue link below.

Continue

Error output, so disabling automatic redirect.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

David Mudrák - 2009年11月4日星期三 04:40

These are standard debugging messages which relate to the Moodle core code, not the Workshop itself. Thanks for reporting them, anyway.

"Edit assessment form" is where you prepare the form which will be used by peers to assess others' work. If you have set the grading strategy of your workshop to "Rubric" then you prepare the rubric form. Please note the term "Rubric" in workshop is just one type of the grading scheme.

d.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

David Mudrák - 2009年11月4日星期三 04:29

Both should be fixed now. Thanks Mary.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

Josep M. Fontana - 2009年11月4日星期三 01:54

Great work, David! This is looking good.

I experienced some problems, though. I entered as a student and I submitted an answer. I got the following error message:

Error writing to database

More information about this error

Debug info: Incorrect integer value: '' for column 'attachment' at row 1 UPDATE mdl_workshop_submissions SET title = ?,workshopid = ?,example = ?,authorid = ?,timecreated = ?,feedbackauthorformat = ?,timemodified = ?,content = ?,contentformat = ?,contenttrust = ?,attachment = ? WHERE id=? [array ( 0 => 'My first cheese assignment', 1 => '3', 2 => 0, 3 => '9', 4 => 1257270756, 5 => '1', 6 => 1257270756, 7 => 'Here it is, teacher!  <ol> <li> Name of Cheese Gouda </li> <li> Country of origin Holland </li> <li> Cheese type (e.g blue mold) I don\'t know </li> <li> Milk type (e.g. ewe\'s milk) I don\'t know </li> <li> Size not big enough

</li> <li> Weight I don\'t know </li> <li> One photo of the cheese you took. I don\'t have a camera </li> <li> The reason why you like this Cheese. Cause it is delicious </li> </ol>', 8 => '1', 9 => 0, 10 => '', 11 => 4, )]

Stack trace:

line 365 of /lib/dml/moodle_database.php: dml_write_exception thrown
line 830 of /lib/dml/mysqli_native_moodle_database.php: call to moodle_database->query_end()
line 866 of /lib/dml/mysqli_native_moodle_database.php: call to mysqli_native_moodle_database->update_record_raw()
line 113 of /mod/workshop/submission.php: call to mysqli_native_moodle_database->update_record()

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

David Mudrák - 2009年11月4日星期三 04:31

Hi Josep. Yes, I just fixed this. This bug and the one reported by Mary above were caused by slight differences between PostgreSQL and MySQL database behaviour. Thanks for reporting them.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

Stephan Rinke - 2009年11月6日星期五 01:12

Hi David,

first of all thank you for your great work. I'm so itching to try a workshop out with my students in February 2009. So hurry up, mate

When I am logged in as a student and want to assess another students work, this happens: http://www.screentoaster.com/watch/stU0tcQUFIR1xYRFldW11cXlJS

Hope this helps,

Stephan

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

David Mudrák - 2009年11月7日星期六 22:34

Ah - yet another MySQL bug. Thanks for spotting this Stephan, I just fixed that one.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1 -Login Instruction

Vernellia Randall - 2009年11月6日星期五 23:28

I am not doing something right. I can't login. Could I get more specific instruction?

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1 -Login Instruction

Mary Cooch - 2009年11月6日星期五 23:41

Hi there. I just logged in to the test site http://test.moodle.org/workshop/ using the login teacher1 and the password teacher and it worked fine. WOuld you like to try again?

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1 -Login Instruction

Vernellia Randall - 2009年11月7日星期六 00:38

Tried doesn't work.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1 -Login Instruction

David Mudrák - 2009年11月7日星期六 22:35

I can confirm teacher1 / teacher works as expected.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

Stephan Rinke - 2009年11月9日星期一 23:42

Hi David,

I've found another challenge...

Cody Sneller (Sorry, cannot find out username) has submittted a text and attached a photo of the cheese, however the attached photo is not shown to the other students assessing Cody's work. See attached screenshots...

Sending good vibes for another record fixing time

Best wishes and thanks a million from Essen,

Stephan

Workshop1.zip

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

David Mudrák - 2009年11月10日星期二 03:00

Hi Stephan,

this one is weird. Was it you who attached the file File_Appenzeller.jpg to the Cody's submission? If you open the file you realize it is not JPEG in fact but an HTML file containing the source code of the Wikipedia page "File:Appenzeller.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". So I guess it is either a bug in the Repositories (the new Moodle core stuff that lets you to attach images and other file without the need to download them to your computer) or the tester who played Cody did something wrong.

Nevertheless, while analysing your report, I noticed the submission checker was not finished yet so students can edit their submission all the time - instead of the submission phase only. I shall fix that one, too

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

Stephan Rinke - 2009年11月11日星期三 00:06

Hi David,

I tried it again by first submitting a text and attaching a cheese-picture as a student and then logging in as a different student to assess and it all worked fine!

Glad you noticed the "students can edit all the time"-problem.

I'm really loving the look and feel of the new workshop btw. So looking forward to using it on a productive system!

Stephan

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Access Control in Work Shop

Vernellia Randall - 2010年01月11日星期一 02:26

In the access control for the workshop 2.0, there is no ability to set the time of day. That is an essential feature. I need to be able to tell students not only what day something is due but the time of day. Can you add that feature back in?

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Re: Access Control in Work Shop

David Mudrák - 2010年01月11日星期一 16:03

Oh - of course, you are right. That is an obvious bug. I will replace the form element this week, that should be trivial fix.

Thanks a lot.

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Default Font Size

Vernellia Randall - 2010年01月16日星期六 19:24

Could the default font size be larger? Or have a way that default size can be changed?

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Re: Default Font Size

David Mudrák - 2010年01月18日星期一 20:03

The default font size in TinyMCE HTML editor is not workshop issue. It is standard Moodle 2.0 element. I have not found its settings form yet available in Moodle 2.0 but I guess that will be added soon.

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Removing Attchment on Example

Vernellia Randall - 2010年01月16日星期六 19:50

I attached file on example , decided later that I didn't want to use it. Could not figure out how to remove the attachment WITHOUT deleting the example and starting over.

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Re: Removing Attchment on Example

David Mudrák - 2010年01月19日星期二 18:26

Weird. Deleting attachments is standard feature of the File picker. If you put the mouse cursor at the attached file name, the icon appear in front of the name. Clicking the icon pops up a menu with an option to delete the file - see the attached screenshot.

I can see there is just a red cross instead of the icon in your screenshot. There had to be something wrong with your browser, maybe? can anyone else try and confirm, please?

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Re: Removing Attchment on Example

ben reynolds - 2010年01月20日星期三 01:14

Just tested in the test workshop, I get the icon, I click it, I get the menu. That's very neat!

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Example Assessment

Vernellia Randall - 2010年01月16日星期六 19:58

When I did the example assessment and click save and close nothing happen.

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Re: Example Assessment

David Mudrák - 2010年01月19日星期二 18:34

This is very weird. It works for me at my notebook but does not work at the test site. I am goign to look at that right now. Thanks for spotting this.

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Re: Example Assessment

David Mudrák - 2010年01月19日星期二 22:35

This is malicious... I already fixed your workshop, but...

The reason here was that there were actually three rubric criteria defined, not just those two Criterion 1 and Criterion 2. The description of the third criterion (the third row in the rubric table) consisted just of an empty HTML tag containing a space. Because the criterion description was not empty (it contained some HTML code), it was used. But because it contained white-space only and the levels did not contain any description, no radio element was displayed. But workshop required all criteria to be filled so it returned you to the form again and again.

The fix was trivial - to make sure the criterion description does not contain any "hidden" text. This is likely to repeat in the future, though...

The solution might be to have an explicit checkbox at every assessment form element in the assessment form editor. You have to have it checked if you want to use that element (criterion in this case).

I will think about - thanks again.

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Assessment Forms

Vernellia Randall - 2010年01月16日星期六 20:03

Need to have a pre-submission assessment form and a post-submission assessment form How do I do that?

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Re: Assessment Forms

David Mudrák - 2010年01月20日星期三 00:02

Yes, I personally call this "Vernellia feature"

Create workshop, choose grading strategy to be used for pre-submission assessment (it est for the assessing of example submissions) and choose the mode "Students must assess example submissions before their own submission"
Define the assessment form
Provide example submissions and reference assessments using the form defined in 2
Switch workshop to submission phase
Now students have to assess all your examples and then they can submit their own work
When all students submitted their work, switch the workshop fo set-up phase (students can't do anything now)
Redefine the assessment form. You can even change the grading strategy if you want.
Allocate submissions for the peer-assessment (randomly or manually or with mix of both)
Switch the workshop into assessment phase. Now students will have to peer-assess allocated submissions using the post-submission assessment form
When done, switch the workshop into grading evaluation phase. Student's can't do anything here
Let the workshop calculate grades for assessment and override them if you do not agree with the calculated values. You will be able to pick some submissions to be published (this replaces legacy league table feature) - not implemented yet
Switch the workshop into the closed phase.

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Re: Assessment Forms

Vernellia Randall - 2010年01月20日星期三 23:37

Thank you so much for the Vernellia feature big grin

But I do need to clarify something. When we first talked. I thought we discussed being able to load up a pre-submission assessment form and a post submission assessment form and just going in checking which form you wanted to use. I thought that once I did that with a course, then both the forms would be there available for use in future forms.

It sounds like in step 7. You might be talking about just going in changing the form. Is that right? If so, that is what I already do and that is not only time consuming but I have to repeat change the form back for use in subsequent classes.

Could you clarify for me?

And David - THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU - you've made me a happy camper - I can't wait for 2.0

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Re: Assessment Forms

David Mudrák - 2010年01月26日星期二 22:06

Hi Vernelia,

of course I remember we talked about this. I plan to have a possibility to export the assessment form itself into an XML file which can be then imported into any other workshop. So, there will be no list of forms to choose from but you will be able to have all assessment forms prepared in advance and then just upload them instead of manual creating them over and over again.
As this export/import feature is closely related to backup/restore feature, it is not implemented yet. And I can't say if it goes into 2.0 or 2.1. According to the plan, I shaould focus on the current functionality only in 2.0 and start adding new things like this later in 2.1.

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Basic Information

Vernellia Randall - 2010年01月16日星期六 20:10

Could the basic information about workshop be displayed on the info page:

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Re: Basic Information

David Mudrák - 2010年01月20日星期三 00:04

I will integrate these information into the user planner tool. Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

ben reynolds - 2010年01月19日星期二 07:05

I created "I am a new workshop" http://test.moodle.net/workshop/mod/workshop/view.php?id=24 with no prior experience and without looking at the documentation. Student1 & student2 logins submitted a file and assessed each other.

All worked as I *think* is expected except that Teacher1's feedback to assessing students does not seem to be visible to them.

To make the students' feedback visible I tried changing the grading from no grade to a grade of 1. I tried recalculating the grade and overridining the grade. No change.

The students' assessment comments to each other are visible to the students. Good!

The teacher's feedback to the students about their assessment is not visible. Checked gradebook. Visited the Workshop as both students.

One question. Is it intended that students not have the html editor available when making comments in the assessment stage? That seemed odd to me.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

David Mudrák - 2010年01月19日星期二 18:19

Hi Ben and thanks a lot for your feedback.

Yes, teacher's feedback for assessing students (reviewers) is not displayed yet. It is known bug and I will fix it soon together with a bulk of other small changes.

Student's comments in assessment forms are intentionally plain textareas, not wysiwyg editors. There were several reasons for such decision. Reviewers should focus on the comment's content, not the formatting. Comments are not expected to be full-formatted HTML, just several sentences describing the reasons for grades. There are technical reasons for that, too. Moodle 2.0 does not allow to provide a stripped version of HTML editors yet. Once there is a way how to replace textareas with a light version of HTML editor, providing just basic set of formatting tools and not all these tables, embedded images, attachments etc, such form element can be used.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

ben reynolds - 2010年01月20日星期三 02:00

HI David,
Thanks for your response. One line makes me ask another question.

>just several sentences describing the reasons for grades

Does that mean there is a character limit to each textbox?

I ask because our writing courses ask for considerably more text than several sentences. Typically, we ask students to look at between 3 and 5 major items when workshopping each other, and the response can run to several hundred words over all.
Below is a typical example.

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Re: Workshop 2.0 testing - round 1

David Mudrák - 2010年01月20日星期三 23:46

Ben,

the size of the comment field is limited just by the maximal allowed size of the database text fields, so this should not be issue. I agree we will have to replace these simple fields with some sort of resizeable input fields, maybe with basic set of formatting tool.

Thanks for the example text attached. Can you share some assessment forms you use? What grading strategy do you use, how do the assessment form elements look like?

p.s. I love the verb "workshopping each other"

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