Hi Gordon,
So sorry to be bombarding you at the moment.
I wonder if you could possibly have a look at exercise 1e in the Quizport Unit B on my site? It is a Findit exercise. The exercise looks fine on my computer and also when it is added as a Hotpot activity, but in Quizport the spaces between the words are lost. Strangely the words on the last line are spaced OK, although these are treated in exactly the same way as the others. The centering seems to go off balance too.
I did have an issue once before with the font sizing in Findits in Quizport and I had to alter my source files to fix it. I read up on the posts relating to that problem but I am afraid that they don't enlighten me as to what to do regarding this issue.
Thanks so much in advance Gordon.
Deborah
Yes. In the HP6 source file I have made changes:
- p{ text-align: changed to center
- div,table, span, td{ I removed table and span on your advice because of font size problems
- in Span.Instructions - I added the text {text-align:center
- in div.ClozeBody{
text-align: changed to center as it wasn't centering in IE6
Deborah
- p{ text-align: changed to center
- div,table, span, td{ I removed table and span on your advice because of font size problems
- in Span.Instructions - I added the text {text-align:center
- in div.ClozeBody{
text-align: changed to center as it wasn't centering in IE6
Deborah
Hi again Gordon,
I just re-read your email and am wondering if there is a misunderstanding.
You said that the quiz worked OK in IE8 in that you could click on all the ug (the correct) words. It is my understanding that the point of the Findit Exercises is that all the words, including the incorrect ones, are clickable. Otherwise there is no test of knowledge involved as it is clear which are the correct answers. This is how the exercise works outside of Quizport. Just wanted to clarify.
Thanks so much.
Deborah
I just re-read your email and am wondering if there is a misunderstanding.
You said that the quiz worked OK in IE8 in that you could click on all the ug (the correct) words. It is my understanding that the point of the Findit Exercises is that all the words, including the incorrect ones, are clickable. Otherwise there is no test of knowledge involved as it is clear which are the correct answers. This is how the exercise works outside of Quizport. Just wanted to clarify.
Thanks so much.
Deborah
Hi Deborah,
I think your understanding is fine. It was QuizPort's understanding which was off
Until recently IE did things "the Microsoft way", which was sometimes the same as "the standard way" but often not. As a result, the javascript code in web pages often has a little switch to say "if I am running in IE do this, otherwise do that". However, IE8 wants to do things "the standard way", so now the javascript which detects IE has to be refined to say "if I am running in IE up to version 7 do this, otherwise do that".
This in essence was why the FindIt(a) quizzes produced errors, and therefore why they "did not work", when clicking on the incorrect answers in IE8.
I was only clicking on correct answers, which is why I didn't have a problem.
I have fixed the cause of the error now, but you need to download and install the latest QuizPort to get the modified scripts on your server.
Thanks for reporting this issue.
regards
Gordon
I think your understanding is fine. It was QuizPort's understanding which was off
Until recently IE did things "the Microsoft way", which was sometimes the same as "the standard way" but often not. As a result, the javascript code in web pages often has a little switch to say "if I am running in IE do this, otherwise do that". However, IE8 wants to do things "the standard way", so now the javascript which detects IE has to be refined to say "if I am running in IE up to version 7 do this, otherwise do that".
This in essence was why the FindIt(a) quizzes produced errors, and therefore why they "did not work", when clicking on the incorrect answers in IE8.
I was only clicking on correct answers, which is why I didn't have a problem.
I have fixed the cause of the error now, but you need to download and install the latest QuizPort to get the modified scripts on your server.
Thanks for reporting this issue.
regards
Gordon
Hi Deborah,
FYI, the QuizPort version that includes this fix is 2008.03.31.31 (actually there are no dots in the version numbers, but I put them in here to help readability) The important numbers are the last two digits.
This release also has a comlete set of help files explaining what each of the unit, quiz and condition settings are.
all the best
Gordon
Hi Gordon!
Jai at Key to School was good enough to update Quizport for me again, so now I have all my Findit exercises working beautifully.
Thanks so much for your help on that.
I have just tested the over 120 quizzes in my new Quizport, in IE8 and IE6. I know, I know, but the reality is that over 70% of my target students are using IE6 or worse and if I ask them to upgrade browsers it puts them off of trying the programme. So I can only be relaxed if everything works in IE6. The good news is that all the quizzes work, but the flash presentations don't. They work in Firefox and IE8. Could you possibly please suggest a way of convincing them to work in IE6?
Great news about the Quizport Help files!
Thanks so much I am so excited to be getting going with Quizport.
Jai at Key to School was good enough to update Quizport for me again, so now I have all my Findit exercises working beautifully.
Thanks so much for your help on that.I have just tested the over 120 quizzes in my new Quizport, in IE8 and IE6. I know, I know, but the reality is that over 70% of my target students are using IE6 or worse and if I ask them to upgrade browsers it puts them off of trying the programme. So I can only be relaxed if everything works in IE6. The good news is that all the quizzes work, but the flash presentations don't. They work in Firefox and IE8. Could you possibly please suggest a way of convincing them to work in IE6?
Great news about the Quizport Help files!
Thanks so much I am so excited to be getting going with Quizport.
I have a hunch this issue is to do with the dummy <!DOCTYPE> line.
I will dig out my Microsoft Virtual PC + IE6 tool and check ...
Gordon
I will dig out my Microsoft Virtual PC + IE6 tool and check ...
Gordon
Yes, in order for the presentation to display on IE6, you need that dummy <!DOCTYPE> line. The purpose of that line is to force IE6 into strict mode, but to leave other browsers in what is known as "quirks mode".
May I ask how you created the presentations and who is the programmer who created the player?
Gordon
May I ask how you created the presentations and who is the programmer who created the player?
Gordon
Hi Gordon
Thanks for confirming where the problem is.
This indeed presents a problem as the other browsers won't display the presentations if they have the DOCTYPE line in them. I don't really want to have to create a course specially for IE6 users.............
The presentation was created in I Spring which is a Russian company but I don't know who the programmer is.
Deborah
Thanks for confirming where the problem is.
This indeed presents a problem as the other browsers won't display the presentations if they have the DOCTYPE line in them. I don't really want to have to create a course specially for IE6 users.............
The presentation was created in I Spring which is a Russian company but I don't know who the programmer is.
Deborah
iSpring? Looks very cool!
Thanks for that information.
I was deliberating whether to create a new output format for these kind of presentations, so that we could do all kinds of "special" things for them. But on reflection, I think it may well be that other people try this dummy <!DOCTYPE> trick in order to get stuff to work in IE6, so I have implemented a solution which will check cater for standard <!DOCTYPE> tags as well as <!DOCTYPE> embedded in HTML comments, like those used in the iSpring presentations.
the new scripts are available in the latest QuizPort zip file
all the best
Gordon
Thanks for that information.
I was deliberating whether to create a new output format for these kind of presentations, so that we could do all kinds of "special" things for them. But on reflection, I think it may well be that other people try this dummy <!DOCTYPE> trick in order to get stuff to work in IE6, so I have implemented a solution which will check cater for standard <!DOCTYPE> tags as well as <!DOCTYPE> embedded in HTML comments, like those used in the iSpring presentations.
the new scripts are available in the latest QuizPort zip file
all the best
Gordon
Hi Deborah,
> So am I to understand that I should now return
> the <!DOCTYPE> script to all my presentations?
Yes, if you want the iScript presentations to work on IE6 and IE8 then you'll need the original line, just as it was:
> has to update the whole thing again?
Yes. If you wait a couple of days you will also get some improvements for the Qedoc output format that James (Qedoc creator) and I worked on over the weekend.
all the best
Gordon
> So am I to understand that I should now return
> the <!DOCTYPE> script to all my presentations?
Yes, if you want the iScript presentations to work on IE6 and IE8 then you'll need the original line, just as it was:
- <!-- <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> -->
> has to update the whole thing again?
Yes. If you wait a couple of days you will also get some improvements for the Qedoc output format that James (Qedoc creator) and I worked on over the weekend.
all the best
Gordon
Hi Gordon
I returned the dummy <!DOCTYPE> line to my presentations and got Quizport updated. (I don't use Quedoc so I didn't wait).
I am having some strange results. In IE6 the presentations work, possibly one in four attempts. Once I just got the sound but no screen and more often than not I get an empty white screen. I have tried this as an administrator and as a new student.
In FF5 and IE8 the presentations are working, although I did get a "no id" message once in IE8 but I hope that was just random.
Can you advise?
Thanks so much.
Deborah
I returned the dummy <!DOCTYPE> line to my presentations and got Quizport updated. (I don't use Quedoc so I didn't wait).
I am having some strange results. In IE6 the presentations work, possibly one in four attempts. Once I just got the sound but no screen and more often than not I get an empty white screen. I have tried this as an administrator and as a new student.
In FF5 and IE8 the presentations are working, although I did get a "no id" message once in IE8 but I hope that was just random.
Can you advise?
Thanks so much.
Deborah
Hi Deborah,
I went to have a look and tried a few presentations and they all behaved as expected. Some of the presentations in the "מתחילים לקרוא - דוברי אנגלית" course did not have the <!DOCTYPE> tag, so they were squashed on IE6, but the presentations I looked at in the "מתחילים לקרוא" course had the <!DOCTYPE> and displayed fine.
Next time one of the quizzes does something funny, please send me the exact url of the page.
thanks
Gordon
I went to have a look and tried a few presentations and they all behaved as expected. Some of the presentations in the "מתחילים לקרוא - דוברי אנגלית" course did not have the <!DOCTYPE> tag, so they were squashed on IE6, but the presentations I looked at in the "מתחילים לקרוא" course had the <!DOCTYPE> and displayed fine.
Next time one of the quizzes does something funny, please send me the exact url of the page.
thanks
Gordon
Hi Gordon
Thanks so much for looking at the presentations. I am glad to hear they worked from your end in IE6. I am still having problems in IE6. These are the URL's I have arrived at when I got the blank pages. The last two repeated on different presentations.
http://ddenglish.edumoot.com/course/view.php?id=33
http://ddenglish.edumoot.com/mod/quizport/editquizzes.php?id=1405&tab=edit&sesskey=X1kYEVsknu
Hope you might be able to decipher?
Thanks so much.
Deborah
Thank for the URLs.
I tried viewing them in IE6, and they showed up fine.
Could I just clarify what you mean by "blank" page? There was nothing on it at all? it was completely white? Or could you see the headings and no content? In the latter case the content is probably off the bottom of the screen, and if you scroll down you will see it. I have seen that happen before in IE6.
Other than that, I think I need a little more info about how to reproduce the blank page. Does it happen only after you have viewed a presentation? Can you reproduce the problem if you repeating the actions that led to the blank page? What about the Hot Potatoes quizzes, are they OK?
I suggest you clear the IE6 browser cache, maybe IE calls it called "temporary files".
If you click on the links you included in your post, do you get a blank page?
Gordon
I tried viewing them in IE6, and they showed up fine.
Could I just clarify what you mean by "blank" page? There was nothing on it at all? it was completely white? Or could you see the headings and no content? In the latter case the content is probably off the bottom of the screen, and if you scroll down you will see it. I have seen that happen before in IE6.
Other than that, I think I need a little more info about how to reproduce the blank page. Does it happen only after you have viewed a presentation? Can you reproduce the problem if you repeating the actions that led to the blank page? What about the Hot Potatoes quizzes, are they OK?
I suggest you clear the IE6 browser cache, maybe IE calls it called "temporary files".
If you click on the links you included in your post, do you get a blank page?
Gordon
Hi Gordon
You mean you clicked on the links I sent you and they brought up the flash presentations? That is strange because when I click on them in IE6, or IE8 outside of Quizport, I get either the course page or the Quizport Edit Quizzes menu.
I have received the blank page in two ways. One when I select the presentation from the Quizport "Edit Quizzes" menu. And secondly when I clicked on the Quizport link on the course page, as a student. The presentation is the first "quiz" in the Quizport so instead of arriving at the presentation, I arrived at the blank page. The blank page is completely blank. There is no scrolling available. It says "Done" in the bar at the bottom but there is nothing on the page.
You asked if it only happens after I view a presentation. I don't get to view the presentation. It happens when I select the presentation. So I don't get to "after".
I have cleared my cache, deleted temporary files, deleted cookies.
All the Hot Potatoes are now showing up fine, although when testing I did have a few of the same blank pages on certain HP's which validated and were fine outside of Quizport. So I found no explanation for the blank page. I re-wrote these quizzes and they are now working. This happened to about 10 quizzes out of 120, and only in IE6. (This gave me an idea and I just re-converted the flash presentation and uploaded but, alas, same blank page).
Maybe this quirk is just happenening on this particular computer. I only have access to one computer which has IE6.
I certainly can't think what to do, I hope maybe you can......
Thanks so much Gordon..
Deborah
You mean you clicked on the links I sent you and they brought up the flash presentations? That is strange because when I click on them in IE6, or IE8 outside of Quizport, I get either the course page or the Quizport Edit Quizzes menu.
I have received the blank page in two ways. One when I select the presentation from the Quizport "Edit Quizzes" menu. And secondly when I clicked on the Quizport link on the course page, as a student. The presentation is the first "quiz" in the Quizport so instead of arriving at the presentation, I arrived at the blank page. The blank page is completely blank. There is no scrolling available. It says "Done" in the bar at the bottom but there is nothing on the page.
You asked if it only happens after I view a presentation. I don't get to view the presentation. It happens when I select the presentation. So I don't get to "after".
I have cleared my cache, deleted temporary files, deleted cookies.
All the Hot Potatoes are now showing up fine, although when testing I did have a few of the same blank pages on certain HP's which validated and were fine outside of Quizport. So I found no explanation for the blank page. I re-wrote these quizzes and they are now working. This happened to about 10 quizzes out of 120, and only in IE6. (This gave me an idea and I just re-converted the flash presentation and uploaded but, alas, same blank page).
Maybe this quirk is just happenening on this particular computer. I only have access to one computer which has IE6.
I certainly can't think what to do, I hope maybe you can......
Thanks so much Gordon..
Deborah
Hi Deborah,
- Please send a url of the blank page (not the page before or after)
- If you get a page that is blank, what happens if you "force refresh" (ctrl+F5) that page?
- If you get a page that is blank, what happens if hit the browser's back page icon and then click again whatever was clicked to view the presentation?
- If you create a Moodle resource file link to one of the presentations that caused a blank page, do you have problems when viewing it in IE6?
It is hard for me to believe that the cause of the blank pages is anything that QuizPort is doing, because QuizPort doesn't change the presentation pages very much at all. It just inserts a continue button. I cannot reproduce the error on my IE6 when logged in to your site as an admin.
Gordon
I have been able to reproduce the error.
For example the following page appeared blank (=completely white) on my IE6:
I was logged in as an admin, and to start the presentation I clicked its link on the "Edit quizzes" page in the "Unit B1" unit in the "מתחילים לקרוא" course.
It seems to occur the *first time* you try to view the presentation with IE6. If you refresh the page, or go back and re-enter the page, the presentation appears.
Not sure what to do about it yet. Maybe the iSpring presentations will require their own output format for QuizPort. Not sure
Gordon
For example the following page appeared blank (=completely white) on my IE6:
I was logged in as an admin, and to start the presentation I clicked its link on the "Edit quizzes" page in the "Unit B1" unit in the "מתחילים לקרוא" course.
It seems to occur the *first time* you try to view the presentation with IE6. If you refresh the page, or go back and re-enter the page, the presentation appears.
Not sure what to do about it yet. Maybe the iSpring presentations will require their own output format for QuizPort. Not sure
Gordon
Hi Deborah,
I think I have found a fix.
The following presentation, never gave me blank page:
But the following presentation, gave me a blank page whenever I accessed it for the first time I accessed after logging in as a Moodle admin:
Apart from using different swf files, the only difference between these two presentations was that in the "Writing" presentation, the <!DOCTYPE> tag was on its own line, whereas in the "letter_blends" presentation the <!DOCTYPE> tag and the <html ...> tag were on the same line
So I edited the "letter_blends" presentation, to make the <!DOCTYPE> on its own line and lo and behold it no longer gave me a blank page.
Yay!
Please could you verify that the "letter_blends" presentation no longer gives a blank page for you too, and then check that your other presentations all have <!DOCTYPE> on a separate line from the <html ...> tag.
I found a different problem in IE6 which I will write about in my next post ...
I think I have found a fix.
The following presentation, never gave me blank page:
But the following presentation, gave me a blank page whenever I accessed it for the first time I accessed after logging in as a Moodle admin:
Apart from using different swf files, the only difference between these two presentations was that in the "Writing" presentation, the <!DOCTYPE> tag was on its own line, whereas in the "letter_blends" presentation the <!DOCTYPE> tag and the <html ...> tag were on the same line
So I edited the "letter_blends" presentation, to make the <!DOCTYPE> on its own line and lo and behold it no longer gave me a blank page.
Yay!Please could you verify that the "letter_blends" presentation no longer gives a blank page for you too, and then check that your other presentations all have <!DOCTYPE> on a separate line from the <html ...> tag.
I found a different problem in IE6 which I will write about in my next post ...
Hi Deborah,
sometimes when I was viewing the Hot Potatoes quizzes in a QuizPort as an admin on your site with IE6, the main content of the quiz was shunted down off the bottom of the page. Has you ever experienced that with IE6?
The reason is that in a special file containing IE6-only style definitions, the style for the Moodle navigation tabs includes the following definition:
Please could you check a few Hot Potatoes quizzes on your site and confirm that the tabs display OK for you when you are viewing the quiz as an admin, and using IE6 to view the page.
thanks
Gordon
sometimes when I was viewing the Hot Potatoes quizzes in a QuizPort as an admin on your site with IE6, the main content of the quiz was shunted down off the bottom of the page. Has you ever experienced that with IE6?
The reason is that in a special file containing IE6-only style definitions, the style for the Moodle navigation tabs includes the following definition:
.tabtree {
height: 100%;
}
Please could you check a few Hot Potatoes quizzes on your site and confirm that the tabs display OK for you when you are viewing the quiz as an admin, and using IE6 to view the page.
thanks
Gordon
Hi Gordon
I just saw your other post. I just tried viewing several Hot Potatoes in Quizport in IE6 and they all came out fine. I tested all the quizzes in IE6 and I don't think I encountered the shunting down on the page you describe. As I said, I did get some blank pages, the same as I am getting with the presentations...... I am wondering now if they were shunted down pages, and I didn't notice, but I don't think so.
Oh dear, I wish I didn't have to cater for IE6 but the fact is that the majority of people here use it....
I just saw your other post. I just tried viewing several Hot Potatoes in Quizport in IE6 and they all came out fine. I tested all the quizzes in IE6 and I don't think I encountered the shunting down on the page you describe. As I said, I did get some blank pages, the same as I am getting with the presentations...... I am wondering now if they were shunted down pages, and I didn't notice, but I don't think so.
Oh dear, I wish I didn't have to cater for IE6 but the fact is that the majority of people here use it....
No, sorry I take it back. The fix for the blank screen doesn't to work reliably. I am still getting blanks screens on presentations which have <!DOCTYPE> and <html ...> on different lines.
Something else is causing the blank pages. Whenever, I log in there is usually one presentation which always loads OK for me, but the others always don't. It's as if IE6 can only load one presentation per login session.
At least, whenever I get a blank page, I can get the presentation to display if I force-refresh the page (Ctrl+F5).
I am going to take a break from this
Gordon
Something else is causing the blank pages. Whenever, I log in there is usually one presentation which always loads OK for me, but the others always don't. It's as if IE6 can only load one presentation per login session.
At least, whenever I get a blank page, I can get the presentation to display if I force-refresh the page (Ctrl+F5).
I am going to take a break from this
Gordon
Hi Gordon
Thanks so much for spending so much time trying to sort out this problem.
I wish I could say that it was fixed but it isn't. I am still getting the blank white page.
You said that the B_es_1a_Writing presentation never gave you a blank page so you concluded that it was because the DOCTYPE line and HTML line were separate. In fact that page gave me problems every time. B_es_3a_letter_blends is also still giving me a blank page. Indeed, when I refresh the page, the presentation comes up. I just tried re-naming and re-converting the Writing presentation but no luck. It does seem to me that it is something related to Quizport because, in IE6, when I select the presentations from the course files, they come up straight away. I also have several of these presentations running as resources on another course and they present fine for my IE6 students.
I tried adding the same presentation as a resource and it shows up fine in IE6.
Just to confirm, the URL's I sent you were those I received when I was on the actual blank page and not on the page before or after.
Oh dear.....
Deborah
Thanks so much for spending so much time trying to sort out this problem.
I wish I could say that it was fixed but it isn't. I am still getting the blank white page.
You said that the B_es_1a_Writing presentation never gave you a blank page so you concluded that it was because the DOCTYPE line and HTML line were separate. In fact that page gave me problems every time. B_es_3a_letter_blends is also still giving me a blank page. Indeed, when I refresh the page, the presentation comes up. I just tried re-naming and re-converting the Writing presentation but no luck. It does seem to me that it is something related to Quizport because, in IE6, when I select the presentations from the course files, they come up straight away. I also have several of these presentations running as resources on another course and they present fine for my IE6 students.
I tried adding the same presentation as a resource and it shows up fine in IE6.
Just to confirm, the URL's I sent you were those I received when I was on the actual blank page and not on the page before or after.
Oh dear.....
Deborah
Hmm ... QuizPort is making the following changes to the presentation files:
Unfortunately we cannot get access to the Moodle scripts folder on your server, so I cannot surgically dissect the QuizPort scripts to try work out which of the above is confusing IE6.
Gordon
- surround the content with a form (required for the continue button)
- add a "Continue" button below the content
- convert the self-closing <script ... /> tag to <script ...></script>
Unfortunately we cannot get access to the Moodle scripts folder on your server, so I cannot surgically dissect the QuizPort scripts to try work out which of the above is confusing IE6.
Gordon
> Can I ask my server to give us access to the scripts?
You could ask Jai, but since there are a lot of other people using those scripts on their live sites I doubt he would let me in to fiddle.
> Could I run those presentations without the continue
> button and add my own hyperlink to the next quiz?
Yes. you can link from the presentation as a resource to the QuizPort.
If you split the large QuizPort into smaller ones with the presentations in between it would work, but not quite as elegant as having everything in the same QuizPort.
Gordon
You could ask Jai, but since there are a lot of other people using those scripts on their live sites I doubt he would let me in to fiddle.
> Could I run those presentations without the continue
> button and add my own hyperlink to the next quiz?
Yes. you can link from the presentation as a resource to the QuizPort.
If you split the large QuizPort into smaller ones with the presentations in between it would work, but not quite as elegant as having everything in the same QuizPort.
Gordon
Actually I have already downloaded two of the presentations and I have been experimenting.
So far, I have not been able to get a IE6 blank page on my server using the same presentation files that produced an error on your server.
Anyway, can you see the quizzes in the following QuizPort (on my server) with your IE6: The above quizzes are displayed with a separate "iSpring" output format which allows greater control over what parts of the document we change or insert.
Gordon
Edit: sorry I messed up the url. I have corrected it now. Please try the above link.
So far, I have not been able to get a IE6 blank page on my server using the same presentation files that produced an error on your server.
Anyway, can you see the quizzes in the following QuizPort (on my server) with your IE6: The above quizzes are displayed with a separate "iSpring" output format which allows greater control over what parts of the document we change or insert.
Gordon
Edit: sorry I messed up the url. I have corrected it now. Please try the above link.
Hi Gordon,
I have discovered that none of my Findit quizzes are working in IE8 and Quizport, although they work fine as Hotpots in same browser. Only the correct answers are clickable. On Firefox they function but display wrong.
I would be very grateful if you could have a look in Unit B at 1e and also 2g which lays out very badly. Regarding the changing of the stylesheet, I need a larger font.
Oddly, when I use Michael Rottmeier's Find-it_v3.1.4a, untouched by me, the correct answers display slightly larger than the incorrect. So the modifications I made took this into account. Just when I thought I had Quizport down to a tee.............
Hope you can help and thank you so much in advance.
I have discovered that none of my Findit quizzes are working in IE8 and Quizport, although they work fine as Hotpots in same browser. Only the correct answers are clickable. On Firefox they function but display wrong.
I would be very grateful if you could have a look in Unit B at 1e and also 2g which lays out very badly. Regarding the changing of the stylesheet, I need a larger font.
Oddly, when I use Michael Rottmeier's Find-it_v3.1.4a, untouched by me, the correct answers display slightly larger than the incorrect. So the modifications I made took this into account. Just when I thought I had Quizport down to a tee.............
Hope you can help and thank you so much in advance.
Hi Deborah,
> I have discovered that none of my Findit quizzes
> are working in IE8 and Quizport
I tried the 1e Find It quiz in IE8 and it worked OK, that is to say I could click on all the "ug" words and when I had found them all the results were saved and I was shown the next quiz.
Which particular quiz are you having trouble with in IE8?
Gordon
> I have discovered that none of my Findit quizzes
> are working in IE8 and Quizport
I tried the 1e Find It quiz in IE8 and it worked OK, that is to say I could click on all the "ug" words and when I had found them all the results were saved and I was shown the next quiz.
Which particular quiz are you having trouble with in IE8?
Gordon
1e:
I have uploaded the modified htm files to your server
cheers
Gordon
- OLD: <table border="0" cellspacing="10">
- NEW: <table border="0" cellspacing="10" width="100%">
- OLD: <div style="margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;display:block;width:250px;border:0px;"><table border="0" cellspacing="0">
- NEW: <div style="margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;border:0px;"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
- OLD: <td> ... </td>
- NEW (1): <td><nobr> ... </nobr></td>
- NEW (2): <td style="white-space:nowrap"> ... </td>
I have uploaded the modified htm files to your server
cheers
Gordon
Hi Gordon
Thanks so much for taking the trouble to go to my site and to upload the revised files. The new code sorts out the display problems, but the quizzes are still not functioning in IE8. That is to say, only the gapped words are clickable. They do function on the site and in Hotpot Module, just not in Quizport.
Please help!
Thank you.
Deborah
Thanks so much for taking the trouble to go to my site and to upload the revised files. The new code sorts out the display problems, but the quizzes are still not functioning in IE8. That is to say, only the gapped words are clickable. They do function on the site and in Hotpot Module, just not in Quizport.
Please help!
Thank you.
Deborah
Ok, thanks for installing the new QuizPort.
Currently your presentations are using the same output as before, so I am not surprised the (mis)behave in hte same way.
However, the new version of QuizPort has a new output format especially for "iSpring" presentations, so I am interested to see what will happen when I swithc your presentations to try the new output format.
Here goes ...
Gordon
Currently your presentations are using the same output as before, so I am not surprised the (mis)behave in hte same way.
However, the new version of QuizPort has a new output format especially for "iSpring" presentations, so I am interested to see what will happen when I swithc your presentations to try the new output format.
Here goes ...
Gordon
I tried a few things and made a little progress.
How do the following presentations appear to you now?
Gordon
How do the following presentations appear to you now?
Gordon
Hi Gordon
I wasn't sure if you meant for me to try the presentations via the links you posted, or via my site, so I did both:
Via links in post: B_es_la_Writing/index.html - Came up perfectly (continue button at top on opening of screen and immediately jumped to bottom).
B_es_3a_letter_blends/index.html - On the screen I see a continue button at the top. The screen is blank white but I hear the sound of the presentation.
On my site: Blank white screen in both cases.
Hopefully......
Deborah
I wasn't sure if you meant for me to try the presentations via the links you posted, or via my site, so I did both:
Via links in post: B_es_la_Writing/index.html - Came up perfectly (continue button at top on opening of screen and immediately jumped to bottom).
B_es_3a_letter_blends/index.html - On the screen I see a continue button at the top. The screen is blank white but I hear the sound of the presentation.
On my site: Blank white screen in both cases.
Hopefully......
Deborah
OK, I think we are very close to fixing this problem.
Please clear your browser cache (IE6 -> Internet Options -> General -> Temporary Files -> Delete files, check "Delete all offline content" and click OK)
Now try those two links I sent in the previous email. They are links to the quizzes on your site. If you confirm that they work, I can go ahead and implement a fix for all the quizzes.
I have changed the "letter blends" presentation in the last few minutes so even though you got sound only when you tried just now, I would like you to try again to see if you get the visual explanation too.
If force-refresh the page and still can't see the visual explanation in the "letter blends" presentation, please try this:
here's hoping !!
Gordon
Please clear your browser cache (IE6 -> Internet Options -> General -> Temporary Files -> Delete files, check "Delete all offline content" and click OK)
Now try those two links I sent in the previous email. They are links to the quizzes on your site. If you confirm that they work, I can go ahead and implement a fix for all the quizzes.
I have changed the "letter blends" presentation in the last few minutes so even though you got sound only when you tried just now, I would like you to try again to see if you get the visual explanation too.
If force-refresh the page and still can't see the visual explanation in the "letter blends" presentation, please try this:
- go to course page for "B1 Starting to Read מתחילים לקרוא", and select the "Files" link
- navigate to to the "B_es_3a_letter_blends" folder
- click the "Edit" link for the index.html file
- change this:
<a href="B_3a_letter_blends.swf?d=800x600">B_1a_Writing.swf</a> - to this:
test test test<br />
<a href="B_3a_letter_blends.swf?d=800x600">B_1a_Writing.swf</a> - click the "Save changes" button at the bottom of the page
here's hoping !!
Gordon
Hi Gordon,
I followed your instructions and deleted all offline content.
Now when I click on the link to the Letter Blends presentation, via your post, when in IE6, the presentation comes up.
But when I try and access it via the Quizport Edit Quizzes menu I get.........the blank white page!
I edited the index.html file in the B1 Starting to Read course file. I do not understand why the name of the B1a_Writing presentation appears in the <a ref line and in the title. In any case, I added the words text text text as you suggested to the <a ref line. I then tried viewing the presentation via the Quizport Edit Quizzes menu, once as was, and once with the B_1a_Writing name changed to B_3a_letter_blends as I wondered if that might be contributing to the problem. But in both cases I didn't see the "text text text" line - only the ..........blank white page! However, when I click on the link from your post, while in IE6, I see the presentation now with the "text text text" line at the top.
If I force refresh control F5 when trying to access the presentation via Quizport, the presentation appears.
Sorry, wish my testing had been more positive......
Deborah
I followed your instructions and deleted all offline content.
Now when I click on the link to the Letter Blends presentation, via your post, when in IE6, the presentation comes up.
But when I try and access it via the Quizport Edit Quizzes menu I get.........the blank white page!
I edited the index.html file in the B1 Starting to Read course file. I do not understand why the name of the B1a_Writing presentation appears in the <a ref line and in the title.
In any case, I added the words text text text as you suggested to the <a ref line. I then tried viewing the presentation via the Quizport Edit Quizzes menu, once as was, and once with the B_1a_Writing name changed to B_3a_letter_blends as I wondered if that might be contributing to the problem. But in both cases I didn't see the "text text text" line - only the ..........blank white page! However, when I click on the link from your post, while in IE6, I see the presentation now with the "text text text" line at the top. If I force refresh control F5 when trying to access the presentation via Quizport, the presentation appears.
Sorry, wish my testing had been more positive......
Deborah
Excellent news. I think it is working.
> I do not understand why the name of the B1a_Writing presentation
> appears in the <a ref line and in the title.
Any text at all can go there. It is not used in the page that is sent to the browser.
> But when I try and access it via the Quizport Edit Quizzes
> menu I get.........the blank white page!
I think this is just the IE6 cache. If you force-refresh once, I do not think you will get the blank page again.
please let me know how you get on, and if you get a blank page, please send the url of that page
thanks
Gordon
> I do not understand why the name of the B1a_Writing presentation
> appears in the <a ref line and in the title.
Any text at all can go there. It is not used in the page that is sent to the browser.
> But when I try and access it via the Quizport Edit Quizzes
> menu I get.........the blank white page!
I think this is just the IE6 cache. If you force-refresh once, I do not think you will get the blank page again.
please let me know how you get on, and if you get a blank page, please send the url of that page
thanks
Gordon
I removed the <a>.....</a> link, leaving the "test test test" line in. In Quizport and IE6 I got a blank page, no "test test test" line either. In FF I got a white page with "test test test" at the top.
Then I replaced the <a>....</a> link. In Quizport and IE6 I got the usual blank white page. This is the URL I got when I was IN the blank page:
http://ddenglish.edumoot.com/mod/quizport/editquizzes.php?id=1405&tab=edit&sesskey=KegwqI5yg8
When I refreshed the above page the presentation came up with the "test test test" line at the top.
I will be dreaming about this blank white page tonight and I cannot imagine how fed up with it you must be as you are the one doing the work!
Deborah
hi Deborah,
> I cannot imagine how fed up with it you must
I am not fed up. Not at all.
I am a little mystified. The url you gave for the blank page is for a teacher's "Edit quizzes" page:
The above page will not display a "presentation", no matter how many times you refresh it. It will only ever display a list of quizzes in the QuizPort.
If you are trying to view a a presentation, you should have a url like this:
> I will be dreaming about this blank white page tonight
have a pleasant evening
Gordon
> I cannot imagine how fed up with it you must
I am not fed up. Not at all.
I am a little mystified. The url you gave for the blank page is for a teacher's "Edit quizzes" page:
The above page will not display a "presentation", no matter how many times you refresh it. It will only ever display a list of quizzes in the QuizPort.
If you are trying to view a a presentation, you should have a url like this:
- http://ddenglish.edumoot.com/mod/quizport/view.php?id=999
> I will be dreaming about this blank white page tonight
have a pleasant evening
Gordon
Me again Gordon,
Just re-read your post. You said:
I am a little mystified. The url you gave for the blank page is for a teacher's "Edit quizzes" page:
The above page will not display a "presentation", no matter how many times you refresh it. It will only ever display a list of quizzes in the QuizPort.
I just observed what happens. When I select the presentation in Quizport/IE6 I get the blank page and the above URL. When I force refresh the URL changes and the presentation displays.
I don't know if that gives any clue.....
Deborah
Just re-read your post. You said:
I am a little mystified. The url you gave for the blank page is for a teacher's "Edit quizzes" page:
The above page will not display a "presentation", no matter how many times you refresh it. It will only ever display a list of quizzes in the QuizPort.
I just observed what happens. When I select the presentation in Quizport/IE6 I get the blank page and the above URL. When I force refresh the URL changes and the presentation displays.
I don't know if that gives any clue.....
Deborah
Hi Deborah,
realizing that the "presentations" are just swf files, I created some new html files which simply have links to the swf files, and then used the standard Moodle mediaplugins filter to convert the links into swf media players that are compatible with all browsers, including IE6.
The four presentations seem to display OK now in my IE6.
Please could you try them out in your IE6 and let me know what happens.
If it works for you, and I believe it will, then I will change QuizPorts "iSpring" output format to make these conversions automatically and we will be good to go.
thanks
Gordon
realizing that the "presentations" are just swf files, I created some new html files which simply have links to the swf files, and then used the standard Moodle mediaplugins filter to convert the links into swf media players that are compatible with all browsers, including IE6.
The four presentations seem to display OK now in my IE6.
Please could you try them out in your IE6 and let me know what happens.
If it works for you, and I believe it will, then I will change QuizPorts "iSpring" output format to make these conversions automatically and we will be good to go.
thanks
Gordon
Excellent news! Thank you for confirming that.
I have fixed up QuizPort's iSpring output format to automate what I did manually on your site to get those presentations working on IE6. The new QuizPort scripts will transform the iSpring "index.html" files into files that will run on all browsers known to Moodle - including IE6.
You can download the latest scripts from here:
> I am sorry to have put you to so much trouble on this
You are very kind to say such things but please do not feel overly obligated or endebted. I chose to add the iSpring output format because it will make QuizPort more useful. It was a chance for me to demonstrate that QuizPort's modular design allows it to overcome significant technical challenges, such as we have come across with iSpring and IE6. I enjoyed working on this problem and I am grateful to you for testing and confirming the improvements.
One day, I hope you will teach me and others here how you made those nice presentations.
best regards
Gordon
I have fixed up QuizPort's iSpring output format to automate what I did manually on your site to get those presentations working on IE6. The new QuizPort scripts will transform the iSpring "index.html" files into files that will run on all browsers known to Moodle - including IE6.
You can download the latest scripts from here:
> I am sorry to have put you to so much trouble on this
You are very kind to say such things but please do not feel overly obligated or endebted. I chose to add the iSpring output format because it will make QuizPort more useful. It was a chance for me to demonstrate that QuizPort's modular design allows it to overcome significant technical challenges, such as we have come across with iSpring and IE6. I enjoyed working on this problem and I am grateful to you for testing and confirming the improvements.
One day, I hope you will teach me and others here how you made those nice presentations.
best regards
Gordon
Hi Gordon
Well I am very pleased to hear you are not fed up! You must be a very patient and determined person.
The URL I sent you is what I get to in IE6 when I select the link to the presentation whilst in the Quizport "Edit Quizzes" menu.
This is the link I get when I enter as a student and select the Quizport from the course page:
http://ddenglish.edumoot.com/course/view.php?id=33
In fact that is the URL of the course page. So I suppose there is a clue there. In IE6, the links to the presentations don't lead to the presentations but either create a URL to the same page or just stay on the same page and offer up a blank page.
I do hope you can get to the bottom of this. I want to use these presentations to introduce new material throughout my programme. I have thought about the alternative of linking the Quizports to the presentations as a resource but it seems to me extremely clumsy and rather defeats the beauty of Quizport. It also ruins the continuity of the exercises.
I feel terrible about putting you to this trouble. I do know that Mary uses iSpring too and I have read on the Moodle forum of others using iSpring. I use it because it was the only Powerpoint to flash converter that did a good job with the Hebrew. I tried a lot and none of the others could handle it.
Have a good evening.
Deborah
Hi again Gordon,
OK I'm not quite there yet.
My server has updated Quizport.
The presentations that you altered on my site have an additional HTML file. When I uploaded a new presentation - 7a_Letter_Blends, it did not have this additional HTML file and did not work when I tested it. So I copied the code from the additional HTML file and gave 7a_Letter_Blends this additional HTML. But it hasn't done the trick. When I select the 7a presentation from the Edit Quizzes menu I get this time - not thankfully the dreaded blank white page - but a blank page with a "continue" button at the bottom.
Please advise.....
Thank you.
Deborah
OK I'm not quite there yet.
My server has updated Quizport.
The presentations that you altered on my site have an additional HTML file. When I uploaded a new presentation - 7a_Letter_Blends, it did not have this additional HTML file and did not work when I tested it. So I copied the code from the additional HTML file and gave 7a_Letter_Blends this additional HTML. But it hasn't done the trick. When I select the 7a presentation from the Edit Quizzes menu I get this time - not thankfully the dreaded blank white page - but a blank page with a "continue" button at the bottom.
Please advise.....
Thank you.
Deborah
A couple of naming issues:
Gordon
- folder name "B 7a_Letter_Patterns" should be "B_7a_Letter_Patterns"
no spaces in folder names please
- index.html refers to "B7a_Letter_Patterns.swf" but the name of the swf file is "B_7a_Letter_Patterns.swf"
Gordon
Oops sorry Gordon!
I did actually check the names. I see where I went wrong now and I've even managed to upload another presentation which runs successfullly!
Can I just confirm that I need to create an html file with the following code in it:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
<title>6a_Long_Vowels</title>
</head>
<body topmargin="0" leftmargin="0" bgcolor="#ffffff" style="text-align:center">
<a href="6a_Long_Vowels.swf?d=800x600">6a_Long_Vowels.swf</a>
</body>
</html>
and add it to the folder presentation each time?
Thanks for your comments about the presentations. They are just Powerpoint presentations converted to Flash in iSpring. Powerpoint offers a lot of nice possibilities with animations which jazz up the presentation of quite dry material.
Thanks again so much for your help on this. I am so happy I can go ahead with my course.
Regards,
Deborah
I did actually check the names. I see where I went wrong now and I've even managed to upload another presentation which runs successfullly!Can I just confirm that I need to create an html file with the following code in it:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
<title>6a_Long_Vowels</title>
</head>
<body topmargin="0" leftmargin="0" bgcolor="#ffffff" style="text-align:center">
<a href="6a_Long_Vowels.swf?d=800x600">6a_Long_Vowels.swf</a>
</body>
</html>
and add it to the folder presentation each time?
Thanks for your comments about the presentations. They are just Powerpoint presentations converted to Flash in iSpring. Powerpoint offers a lot of nice possibilities with animations which jazz up the presentation of quite dry material.
Thanks again so much for your help on this. I am so happy I can go ahead with my course.
Regards,
Deborah
Hi Deborah,
> Can I just confirm that I need to create an html file with the following code in it:
Actually you don't need to do that. You can simply use the index.html that iSpring produces. QuizPort will convert that automagically to the kind of html code that you included in your post.
I had been creating those extra files as part of my investigation to get the presentations running on your server. You can leave those files as they are - after all they are working - or you can set the QuizPort quizzes that use them back to using the index.html files.
I have downloaded iSpring Free and it looks to be a very useful utility for converting PowerPoint to Flash.
all the best
Gordon
> Can I just confirm that I need to create an html file with the following code in it:
Actually you don't need to do that. You can simply use the index.html that iSpring produces. QuizPort will convert that automagically to the kind of html code that you included in your post.
I had been creating those extra files as part of my investigation to get the presentations running on your server. You can leave those files as they are - after all they are working - or you can set the QuizPort quizzes that use them back to using the index.html files.
I have downloaded iSpring Free and it looks to be a very useful utility for converting PowerPoint to Flash.
all the best
Gordon