my experience with installing the 1.0.9 dev version

my experience with installing the 1.0.9 dev version

by Paula Edmiston -
Number of replies: 8
Yesterday I installed Moodle 1.0.9 development (2003042701)
I have PHP Version 4.2.2
I am on FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE and Apache/1.3.26
I use [primarily]Netscape 7.02, Netscape 4.72 and MSIE 5.0 and 6.
I moved my original installation to a new directory named "orig-moodle" and installed the new code in a directory with the same name as the orig installation. Martin saved my life with a brilliant chmod script.

Here are some thoughts ...

Directories and permissions
the upgrade doc does't mention anything about creating the data directory by hand or assigning any write permissions to the data directory. Perhaps the upgrade doc could also repeat the information about the htaccess files, or simply link to these sections of the installation manual. A link would be an easy reminder to do these two things. The upgrade doc says to copy the config.php from the orig install to the new install but this new version has important enhancements so perhaps say "collect your personal info from original config to place in the new config". Also for upgrades maybe the chmod.php could be included so that the moodle/data file permissions could be changed to allow them to be copied to the new setup directory The chmod.php worked great to open the permissions to me, the user, but it left the permissions incorrect for moodle to access them. Maybe this script could set permissions for both the user and the moodle access. I went and changed the permissions by hand to "other". It took a while and with a mature site it could be really hard.

Peer Graded Assignments
The help popup for Add Activity Modules menu doesn't include "Peer-graded" assignments.

When adding a peer graded assessment page, at the bottom is a warning. The warning text in red (red isn't a great ADA choice due to color-blindness), it's centered and looks odd centered. Could it be left-aligned?

Hiding entries
When I select to hide an item and turn off editing I continue to see the item (although a student user doesn't see it). Was the previous example in which hidden items would appear greyed out to teachers done away with? In the editing mode the icon does indicate they're hidden.

admin/auth.php
the text explaining about authentication is centered and might read better if left aligned.

Delete some Install files?
At the end of my original installation it seemed like there was a note telling me to delete some files used only for installation but I didn't see anything like that after installing this "1.0.9 development (2003042701)" version.

Files
I wanted to add a resource, an uploaded file. I started at "Add resource" and chose "uploaded file" and entered the title and brief description. Then I got the link to go and upload the file in the filemanager. After I did that I was automatically sent to the "course->files->foldername window when I'd rather have been returned to the screen in the new resource where I could then link the file I just uploaded. This way, having forgot to upload the file first, I now have to repeat entering the title and description. Is there any way to be returned to the linking of file and retaining the title and description I'd already entered? I was able to hit the "back history" in my browser (NS 7.02) and jump back without losing the title and desc that I'd already entered.

Oddity pasting the content of a resource from one course to another
I was in the experimental class and wanted to add the latest copy of my student manual(as a resource) from the (keyed) Net class. I opened the net class and edited the student guide resource and copied the html from that guide. Then went over the the experimental class and created the guide resource. When I clicked save I was returned to the *Net* class view of this resource!! I don't see anything in the document html that would take me back to the original location of this resource!

I didn't want to wait for the final version to debut at the end of May. My first moodle class starts June 19 and I needed to practice and experience an upgrade so I wouldn't be tearing my hair out right before the real class.

It's been an exciting two days. I love the new features. The upgrade experience wasn't as difficult as I feared it would be. I have gone in and made some little changes to the code that appeal to me personally and I found that my notes on the changes helped a lot to "personalize" this upgrade version.

I really love being able to go into the code and make changes. And having Martin and these forums to come to for help has made all the difference in my ability to use this system at all. Thanks to all of you!!!

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Re: my experience with installing the 1.0.9 dev version

by Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) -
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Hiding entries
When I select to hide an item and turn off editing I continue to see the item (although a student user doesn't see it). Was the previous example in which hidden items would appear greyed out to teachers done away with? In the editing mode the icon does indicate they're hidden


Hi. Do you say that, when you turn editing off, hidden items are no dimmed (greyed) in your course ?

The user you are using to this, is an admin, a teacher or a creator ?

Ciao.
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Re: my experience with installing the 1.0.9 dev version

by Paula Edmiston -
As admin I hid an entry and could see it normally when editing was turned off; it looks like any other link. I also created and hid an item as a teacher. The results are the same as the admin-created item. (I haven't experimented with the "Creator" role yet)

A student sees nothing

A teacher, with editing turned off, sees the link and it looks exactly like other non-hidden links. With editing on, the link is identical to non-hidden links but the icon indicates it is hidden.

At some website I saw this and a hidden item was visible to teacher and admin but "greyed out". I liked that. It's confusing to me that hidden items look like exactly like other items (to teacher and admin) when editing is turned off.

Many thanks
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Re: my experience with installing the 1.0.9 dev version

by Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) -
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Ok. I understand now. smile

I've been trying your comments, but something must be wrong in your installation/execution system.

If you login with an admin or teacher account, hidden items MUST be greyed, no matter if you've editing activated or no.

One possibility is that your browser doesn't support dynamic style changes in links (Netscape 4.x, I know).

I've tried the "greyed experience" with Netscape 7, Explorer 5, Chimera 0.6 and Safari (all Mac-browsers, but I'think it shouldn't be a problem) an the greyed text is showed allways.

Can you tell me your browser & OS ?

Ciao.
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Re: my experience with installing the 1.0.9 dev version

by Paula Edmiston -
... I was using Netscape 7.02 on your site but with the same netscape version I cannot see that effect on my site .... oh, you know what ..... yes, I see it now! It's my theme! When I change to a theme that accompanied the dev version then it works.

Thanks so much for your responses; they were what I needed to understand things.


best.
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Re: my experience with installing the 1.0.9 dev version

by Paula Edmiston -
also, re: Moodle 1.0.9 development (2003042701)

There isn't a lang/en_us/pgassignment.php

I just copied the en one over to the en_us and am using that.
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missing lang strings -- Re: my experience with installing the 1.0.9 dev version

by Paula Edmiston -
re: Moodle 1.0.9 development (2003042701)

My base language is en_us

I don't really understand this but on the "Check Language" page I clicked the link for "Check for missing strings" and I got this giant error report.

(a copy of the error report is attached)

best.
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Re: my experience with installing the 1.0.9 dev version

by Martin Dougiamas -
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Hi, Paula.

I really do appreciate your enthusiasm and feedback, but can I please remind you to file bugs in http://moodle.org/bugs?

It would make things a lot easier for me (and hence more likely that problems will get fixed) - it's very hard to keep track of free-form bug reports in the forums.

In addition, there are probably people subscribed to this forum to find out about latest features, who might not want to read all the debugging discussions as well ...

Thanks
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Re: my experience with installing the 1.0.9 dev version

by Martin Dougiamas -
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Directory permissions
- the upgrade process is supposed to do exactly this ie it runs the equivalent of the chmod.php code to fix up the file permissions.

Peer graded assignments
- These are in the nightlies but this module will probably not be in 1.0.9 (being replaced by "workshop")

Hide/Show stuff
- there's a note in the release notes about this - basically there are new styles that you will need to add to a custom theme to make it work properly. I'll be keeping a log of these changes from now on in the (new) file theme/UPGRADE.txt. I'll also try to make a more prominent warning flash up during the upgrade to alert you to this.

Authentication explanations
- I've cleaned them up.

Resource uploading -> file manager
- yes, this needs to be integrated better

oddity in being returned
- yes, this is a result of the way Moodle "bookmarks" the last place you want to go back to. it doesn't work well when using multiple windows (I use tabs all the time and experience these oddities all the time). There's a bug up on this already.