I presented Moodle to our seminary technology committee and received some great questions. I was also somewhat selling the open source model at the same time. I think I pulled that off, but they'd like a bit more information on the Moodle usage in the US and price comparison to Blackboard.
Is this easily at hand? Could you share a link? Thanks
Greetings, Josiah!
We had the basic license of BB 5.5 for 5 years. We did not use any plugins, encryption, or automated tasks that were integrated with the student information system. We had about 1400-1500 accounts on the system and created about 135 courses per semester.
Maybe this chart will help you--
atw
We had the basic license of BB 5.5 for 5 years. We did not use any plugins, encryption, or automated tasks that were integrated with the student information system. We had about 1400-1500 accounts on the system and created about 135 courses per semester.
Maybe this chart will help you--
atw
Wow, nice chart. That should catch some attention. 
You have to use AT's support cost comparison as well, it is excellant!
I also have some slides here from a recent "Case for Moodle" presentation, more on an "Enterprise" level, feel free to use what is useful there (some I borrowed from Jim Farmer's excellent presentations on BB's financials and the general rising costs of US K-30 education.
The Case for Moodle
I also have some slides here from a recent "Case for Moodle" presentation, more on an "Enterprise" level, feel free to use what is useful there (some I borrowed from Jim Farmer's excellent presentations on BB's financials and the general rising costs of US K-30 education.
The Case for Moodle
Here is the link to the charts that compare server side and admin costs.
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=42276&parent=202057
Please note that the chart reflects clean installs of both systems, not a migration. That is why the Proprietary System install seems unusually simple.
I will enjoy looking at these slides, also!
atw
http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=42276&parent=202057
Please note that the chart reflects clean installs of both systems, not a migration. That is why the Proprietary System install seems unusually simple.
I will enjoy looking at these slides, also!
atw
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Re: Finished Presentation - Need a Few More Answers
by D.I. von Briesen -
Michael: this link didn't work for me...
d.i.
d.i.
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by Michael Penney -
Hmm, I was having some trouble with that html stuff when I made the original post, seems to be working now. The full URL is:
http://webapp2.cdl.edu/confsys/session_detail.cfm?sessionid=139&OccurrenceID=140
(I keep telling Jay that the .cfm thing in the URLS really would look much prettier if it was .php.
http://webapp2.cdl.edu/confsys/session_detail.cfm?sessionid=139&OccurrenceID=140
(I keep telling Jay that the .cfm thing in the URLS really would look much prettier if it was .php
Hey Michael,
The link doesn't seem to be working. I'd love to see how you've used Jim's material (as I will be doing the same over the summer).
The link doesn't seem to be working. I'd love to see how you've used Jim's material (as I will be doing the same over the summer).
This link goes to a page but there
is still no presentation to be found
.
http://webapp2.cdl.edu/confsys/session_detail.cfm?sessionid=139&OccurrenceID=140
is still no presentation to be found
.http://webapp2.cdl.edu/confsys/session_detail.cfm?sessionid=139&OccurrenceID=140
Same for me.
Wow- that's 88 bucks a course - for basic edition.
d.i.
PS: I guess in fairness, it's half that, if you split it across two semesters, and less for summer.
d.i.
PS: I guess in fairness, it's half that, if you split it across two semesters, and less for summer.
Yes, you are right. One of the big factors in our decision to go with Moodle was price with regard to how much the system was used.
I would like to see if anyone can point me to any research on how much courses in an LMS are really used. I made the courses every semester, but without checking at the end of the term, you don't really know if they were used or not.
I did some analysis on that point and the number of courses that I considered "active" (where students had to log in at least once each week) was extremely low. Of course, we are not talking about on-line courses. I would say that most of ours would be considered hybrid--we meet the class and the LMS supports course materials and out of class activities.
Is that common? Does anyone have any benchmark data? I think a lot of the reason our LMS was not utilized heavily was because there was little in the way of support. Faculty were primarily responsible for their own content--no grad students or any other staff that could come in and build up a course for you.
atw
I would like to see if anyone can point me to any research on how much courses in an LMS are really used. I made the courses every semester, but without checking at the end of the term, you don't really know if they were used or not.
I did some analysis on that point and the number of courses that I considered "active" (where students had to log in at least once each week) was extremely low. Of course, we are not talking about on-line courses. I would say that most of ours would be considered hybrid--we meet the class and the LMS supports course materials and out of class activities.
Is that common? Does anyone have any benchmark data? I think a lot of the reason our LMS was not utilized heavily was because there was little in the way of support. Faculty were primarily responsible for their own content--no grad students or any other staff that could come in and build up a course for you.
atw
Just out today. New BB pricing for 2006-2007 is STEADY at $12,500. So the trendline may flatten a bit!
atw
atw
Did you mean for 2007-2008? The graph has a value for 2006-2007 that appears to be close to 12,500.
Could you also share the numerical values for each year with us? It seems the average increase is about 22% per year, which is the same increase that Oracle showed before and during its acquisition of PeopleSoft.
jim farmer
Could you also share the numerical values for each year with us? It seems the average increase is about 22% per year, which is the same increase that Oracle showed before and during its acquisition of PeopleSoft.
jim farmer
No, I was wrong about the dates. It is a confirmation of the 06-07 pricing. I probably won't know the pricing for 07-08, since we will likely be discontinuing our contract.
2001-2002 and 2002-2003 were the last years you could buy a two year contract, essentially locking in at $5000 per year.
2003-2004 was $7500
2004-2005 was $9500 and that price was also in force for 2005-2006.
The big jump was to $12,500 for 06-07. Although in fairness to the company, they warned us about that almost a year in advance.
Apologies for posting old information. When I realized I had the dates wrong, it was too late to delete the post. New prices for 07-08 should be out by August or September, I think. They let you know early so that you can plan your budgets for software.
atw
Thanks for the numbers. A document that I prepared from your posting that may be convenient for others. (It is being included in our reference eLibrary at www.immagic.com/eLibrary/ARCHIVES/GENERAL/MOODLE/M060618W.pdf).
Your facts make the discussion of software pricing more precise and less confrontational.
My favorite Daniel Moynihan quote: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."
jim farmer
Your facts make the discussion of software pricing more precise and less confrontational.
My favorite Daniel Moynihan quote: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."
jim farmer
Thank you for the link. But I am a HER not a HIM! I thought my monster was a giveaway on the female gender, but I guess not!
atw
atw
A.T.-At small scale, I always thought your icon was a flower. So the female gender seemed obvious...
Hi Josiah...I am not sure about pricing issues...but here is a link to all the registered Moodle sites in the US...
http://moodle.org/sites/index.php?country=US
Also, if you want to do a head to head comparison of LMS's you can use the following service:
http://www.edutools.info/
take care
frank
http://moodle.org/sites/index.php?country=US
Also, if you want to do a head to head comparison of LMS's you can use the following service:
http://www.edutools.info/
take care
frank