It would be really nice if you could include "general" feedback for non-multiple choice question types when students submit an incorrect answer. For example on a matching question, if a student matches something wrong, they do not know which ones they got wrong and do not get any feedback. It would be nice if you could have one general "feedback" statement displayed (i.e. "Review Chpt 2 and try again") if they do not earn full credit on all of the question types.
Any plans for this? I was hoping to see this in 1.6 but it does not seem to appear.
Thanks for your input!
I'm using 1.6beta now and the quiz interface as yet doesn't support it. It is a very good idea and one that would seem like an easy fix:
Pseudo code:
response is correct and has feedback print feedback
response is correct and !has feedback get random Postitive_feedback
response is incorrect and has feedback print feedback
response is incorrect and !has feedback get random encouraging_feedback
The feedback should be made available in a drop down as well, after import from a simple new line text file, each feedback item on a separate line as there are hundreds if not thousands of possible phrases in every language.
There are lots of other ways to squeeze more out of the quizzing interface though in the vids in this link:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=dennis+daniels+moodle+quiz
Particularly this one:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1777062683534172987&q=dennis+daniels+moodle+quiz&pl=true
Rethink the quiz interface as a worksheet interface, add a 'accept/deny/edit' interface and you've a very powerful 'worksheet' processor. Combine that with auto feedback and your class will be golden: instant feedback for student deliverables!
best
Dennis
Pseudo code:
response is correct and has feedback print feedback
response is correct and !has feedback get random Postitive_feedback
response is incorrect and has feedback print feedback
response is incorrect and !has feedback get random encouraging_feedback
The feedback should be made available in a drop down as well, after import from a simple new line text file, each feedback item on a separate line as there are hundreds if not thousands of possible phrases in every language.
There are lots of other ways to squeeze more out of the quizzing interface though in the vids in this link:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=dennis+daniels+moodle+quiz
Particularly this one:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1777062683534172987&q=dennis+daniels+moodle+quiz&pl=true
Rethink the quiz interface as a worksheet interface, add a 'accept/deny/edit' interface and you've a very powerful 'worksheet' processor. Combine that with auto feedback and your class will be golden: instant feedback for student deliverables!
best
Dennis
Dennis, I like the ideas in your pseudo-code, but I would modify them a bit to perhaps only implement them if the teacher doesn't give customized feedback for that question. I also think randomly generated positive and encouraging feedback could become a bit overkill if there were a lot of items in the quiz. I think what is really needed is a way for the teacher to give an overall comment on a quiz, and while it could be personalized, there also could be some system whereby if the teacher didn't offer personalized comments, then it could spit out a random feedback based on the score the student received
Right now I use automatic feedback to give students an occassional tidbit of extra related information about the particular item, something that is "good to know."
Is it a simple thing to code? I think we should let Gustav be the judge of it-there would have to be other elements taken into consideration, such as allowing the teacher to configure it the way they want it, that would possibly add some complexity to the code.
Right now I use automatic feedback to give students an occassional tidbit of extra related information about the particular item, something that is "good to know."
Is it a simple thing to code? I think we should let Gustav be the judge of it-there would have to be other elements taken into consideration, such as allowing the teacher to configure it the way they want it, that would possibly add some complexity to the code.
Debra, what you suggest would be very useful. In fact the whole feedback issue needs to be addressed. There are several feature requests relating to this.
Hi Debra, You are asking several questions in one, so I'll take the liberty to break your query down into parts.
1- General feedback (FB) in quiz module
a- Matching
no provision for general FB, why not make positive and negative FB input boxes available in Quiz same as is now the case in the Lesson module for Matching questions? (Gustav?).
b- Embedded Answers (Cloze)
those have their own FB system (hovering).
c- Multiple Choice (and True/False and Random Short-Answer Matching)
teacher can enter individual FB for each choice, plus there is a general FB message "Correct", "Incorrect", ("Partially Correct" if multiple answers allowed).
d- Short Answer (and Regexp Short Answer, forthcoming)
teacher can enter individual FB for each answer, plus general FB for catchall asterisk * (although the wild card facility is missing from the shortanswer question type in 1.6 beta 3).
e- Numerical
I never use this type of question, so have no idea how it works.
Conclusion: the only type of question which is lacking a general FB message is Matching. Am I correct?
2- Individual marking of correct/incorrect choices
If individual FB has been entered by teacher, the only type of question which lacks a clear marking of right/wrong choices in the student's answer is - again - the Matching type of question. It might indeed be interesting to make the right/wrong choices apparent in feedback, e.g. by making available a "correct" and an "incorrect" class which could be customized as e.g. green/red background (see screen shot).
Please correct me if I did not quite understand your query.
Joseph
Thanks for breaking down my question. I agree with all listed about except your comments on Short Answer Feedback.
Right now you can only provide feedback for answers that were entered into the question originally. If they enter a question that you have not previously entered they will not get any feedback.
But that is not a big deal.
Getting Feedback beyond - incorrect or partially correct would be my #1 priority.
Numerical questions have a General feedback box that works just fine.
Thanks for the input!
Right now you can only provide feedback for answers that were entered into the question originally. If they enter a question that you have not previously entered they will not get any feedback.
But that is not a big deal.
Getting Feedback beyond - incorrect or partially correct would be my #1 priority.
Numerical questions have a General feedback box that works just fine.
Thanks for the input!
Debra >Short Answer Feedback. Right now you can only provide feedback for answers that were entered into the question originally. If they enter a question an answer that you have not previously entered they will not get any feedback.
Question text: Name an animal (accepted: cat, dog, dinosaur?)
Answer 1: cat
Grade: 100 %
Feedback: yes, a cat is an animal
Answer 2: dog
Grade: 100 %
Feedback: yes, a dog is an animal
Answer 3: dinosaur
Grade: 50 %
Feedback: Well, that's an <strong>extinct</strong> animal!
Answer 4: *
Grade: None
Feedback: No, that is not an animal.
This is not so.
You can provide a catch-all * (asterisk, wild-card) answer and provide general feedback for any student answer which is different from all those provided by teacher. See Answer 4 in example below. NOTE: this works for version 1.5.3+
Question text: Name an animal (accepted: cat, dog, dinosaur?)
Answer 1: cat
Grade: 100 %
Feedback: yes, a cat is an animal
Answer 2: dog
Grade: 100 %
Feedback: yes, a dog is an animal
Answer 3: dinosaur
Grade: 50 %
Feedback: Well, that's an <strong>extinct</strong> animal!
Answer 4: *
Grade: None
Feedback: No, that is not an animal.
Hope that helps,
Joseph