Frances
The reply was not actually meant for your post
It was a very general comment because I feel that WE are the guys who create plagiarism by having GREAT EXPECTATIONS. IT was not at all meant to be condescending towards your experiment with plagiarism. Infact, yours is exactly the attitude that I'd appreciate.
If possible, get hold of a book called 'Ignited Minds' by our president Dr APJ Abdul Kalam (a nuclear scientist, btw). I say this because if you are my kind of guy as far as books are concerned, you may enjoy it. (as p.s. 'notes to myself' by hugh prather would be another eye opener if you have never read 'Bhagvad Gita')
Dr S Bhatia
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Moodle in English -> Lounge -> Plagiarism -> Re: Plagiarism
by Dr S Bhatia -
Ok
This is the kindda topic that has me ranting and raving. (I'll spare you the details though)
Being a psychotherpaist, I always approach plagiarism in a very constructive way.
I fully agree when the reply above says that the message is: don't trust your students.
Correct. Why do you wish to check for plagiarism. You may check cut-paste things from your site. But what about a similar act from a site dedicated for this purpose.
e.g. NIMH, NICE website give full data freely from web and also allow its reproduction. That won't be plagiarism, yet the student may not have put in any effort.
No. This is reaching the same place as ART's discussion about a teacher losing her job coz she took children to a museum where they saw a nude painting.
The grassroot inculcation of independence AND pride in that independence has to be executed by the teacher. That's your basic job, not teaching the details of french revolution or Bohr's equation.
A teacher, if he prides himself/herself in being one , let's his students be. He will encourage a student requiring improvement in such a way that the student does not feel chided. And he also let's it be known that instances of plagiarism do occur, but he doesn't mind if the student has honestly read that plagiarised stuff and understood it. Convey this but don't try to test it.
You are the critical people in developing a whole generation which needs to develop pride in its existence and believe that they can deliver the goods; and even if they don't they are ACCEPTED AS THEY ARE. Don't let them feel let down because they did an assignment badly. That's where WE promote plagiarism because we tend to reject the person (and not the assignment) when someone executes a shoddy job. To satisfy OUR expectations, they plagiarise.
(Similar idea has been expressed in Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance)
Students Will take you for a ride for a semester or too. But slowly, they'll stop that. They'll know who they have been fooling all this time.
It takes patience, and no immediate results are available at hand. But remember, trust will not only stop plagiarism but also produce better citizens, less liable to be insecure, anxious, depression prone people.
and lastly, if you'll put this to statistical significance, you'll find that those who tend to cheat, find ways and means of doing it anyway while those who don't, don't.
This is the kindda topic that has me ranting and raving. (I'll spare you the details though)
Being a psychotherpaist, I always approach plagiarism in a very constructive way.
I fully agree when the reply above says that the message is: don't trust your students.
Correct. Why do you wish to check for plagiarism. You may check cut-paste things from your site. But what about a similar act from a site dedicated for this purpose.
e.g. NIMH, NICE website give full data freely from web and also allow its reproduction. That won't be plagiarism, yet the student may not have put in any effort.
No. This is reaching the same place as ART's discussion about a teacher losing her job coz she took children to a museum where they saw a nude painting.
The grassroot inculcation of independence AND pride in that independence has to be executed by the teacher. That's your basic job, not teaching the details of french revolution or Bohr's equation.
A teacher, if he prides himself/herself in being one , let's his students be. He will encourage a student requiring improvement in such a way that the student does not feel chided. And he also let's it be known that instances of plagiarism do occur, but he doesn't mind if the student has honestly read that plagiarised stuff and understood it. Convey this but don't try to test it.
You are the critical people in developing a whole generation which needs to develop pride in its existence and believe that they can deliver the goods; and even if they don't they are ACCEPTED AS THEY ARE. Don't let them feel let down because they did an assignment badly. That's where WE promote plagiarism because we tend to reject the person (and not the assignment) when someone executes a shoddy job. To satisfy OUR expectations, they plagiarise.
(Similar idea has been expressed in Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance)
Students Will take you for a ride for a semester or too. But slowly, they'll stop that. They'll know who they have been fooling all this time.
It takes patience, and no immediate results are available at hand. But remember, trust will not only stop plagiarism but also produce better citizens, less liable to be insecure, anxious, depression prone people.
and lastly, if you'll put this to statistical significance, you'll find that those who tend to cheat, find ways and means of doing it anyway while those who don't, don't.
Hi Dom
first: each question has its own preview facility. so if you click on that magnifying glass icon you can test the individual question.
second: Most of us do create and keep a testing kind of course which normally remains hidden but we unhide it to test whatever needs to be tested for 5-10 minutes and then re-hide it. Will this solve your problem?
third: trouble is this was testing in the teachers only area as i need to practice somewhere
I don't know what you mean by this.
fourth: If you are a teacher of any course, you MUST have at least one dummy student enrolled which only you know about(or the co-teacher) because things like lessons cannot even be previewed fully as teacher. to test their jumps you must login as an enrolled student. This is a moot point. Have a dummy student and test all creations from dummy's login. That too, preferably from a different computer.
first: each question has its own preview facility. so if you click on that magnifying glass icon you can test the individual question.
second: Most of us do create and keep a testing kind of course which normally remains hidden but we unhide it to test whatever needs to be tested for 5-10 minutes and then re-hide it. Will this solve your problem?
third: trouble is this was testing in the teachers only area as i need to practice somewhere
I don't know what you mean by this.
fourth: If you are a teacher of any course, you MUST have at least one dummy student enrolled which only you know about(or the co-teacher) because things like lessons cannot even be previewed fully as teacher. to test their jumps you must login as an enrolled student. This is a moot point. Have a dummy student and test all creations from dummy's login. That too, preferably from a different computer.
Well!
This conversation has come a long way starting from art teacher's plight to hypocisy to Dutch premier, en route stepping on egyptian nudes and Amsterdam's beaches; finally it has come to where we all come together-- blaming the governments and blaming those selfish bast***ds who run it and the unthinking selfish public.
For starters: governments and politicians are the product of the same system that produced us and is still producing. Washing our hands away by saying that I never subscribed to this thought-action process personally is merely a way of your ego's defence mechanism to divert the blame on some other abstract thing and declare yourself innocent. Till when will you run away from yourself?
You are as a part of it and you are more to be blamed.
Why? Because the enlightened ones , the more educated ones have been educated by the society so that tomorrow they'll hold the torch and guide the rest to the path of betterment.
But what do the educated and enlightened ones (includes me) do?
We usually choose the easier paths in life that lead to personal betterment by becoming academics, doctors, engineers and other professionals and then executing those jobs we tend to say''...but i did what this country trained me for. I saw patients, I built roads, I did research and pubished seven papers about the affect of high temperature on the life span of penguins.......''
Yes, you did. But you stopped there. You did professionally what you were being paid for. But just confess, how many of took pains to educate/enlighten a sinlge individual from deprived/uneducated section.(Please don't send the number of cheques you wrote for charities and the number of times you sent clothes to red cross and SOS. I mean personally, how many of us have bothered to sit down in the evening for 45 min , twice a week with a downtrodden's son to teach him basic maths free of cost or to discuss and tell his parent what is internet and how it can help improve our lives or even sat down to discuss with our own children the implications of nuclear armament.
Get a life guys, we all are to be blamed. Not that single parent who sparked this off.
This conversation has come a long way starting from art teacher's plight to hypocisy to Dutch premier, en route stepping on egyptian nudes and Amsterdam's beaches; finally it has come to where we all come together-- blaming the governments and blaming those selfish bast***ds who run it and the unthinking selfish public.
For starters: governments and politicians are the product of the same system that produced us and is still producing. Washing our hands away by saying that I never subscribed to this thought-action process personally is merely a way of your ego's defence mechanism to divert the blame on some other abstract thing and declare yourself innocent. Till when will you run away from yourself?
You are as a part of it and you are more to be blamed.
Why? Because the enlightened ones , the more educated ones have been educated by the society so that tomorrow they'll hold the torch and guide the rest to the path of betterment.
But what do the educated and enlightened ones (includes me) do?
We usually choose the easier paths in life that lead to personal betterment by becoming academics, doctors, engineers and other professionals and then executing those jobs we tend to say''...but i did what this country trained me for. I saw patients, I built roads, I did research and pubished seven papers about the affect of high temperature on the life span of penguins.......''
Yes, you did. But you stopped there. You did professionally what you were being paid for. But just confess, how many of took pains to educate/enlighten a sinlge individual from deprived/uneducated section.(Please don't send the number of cheques you wrote for charities and the number of times you sent clothes to red cross and SOS. I mean personally, how many of us have bothered to sit down in the evening for 45 min , twice a week with a downtrodden's son to teach him basic maths free of cost or to discuss and tell his parent what is internet and how it can help improve our lives or even sat down to discuss with our own children the implications of nuclear armament.
Get a life guys, we all are to be blamed. Not that single parent who sparked this off.
please tell us chronologically what happened. In detail.Plus basic details like versions, platform etc
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