Hello I'm a Wiki

Hello I'm a Wiki

by Ludo (Marc Alier) -
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[eWiki] Hello I am a Wiki!
[nWiki] And I am a Wiki to.
[eWiki] But I am a Wiki inside Moodle.
[nWiki] And so am I.
[eWiki] Oh, but I'm the official wiki.
[nWiki] You got me there. HE told me I would be official, but ...HE forgot about me sad. So how was your day eWiki ?
[eWiki] Oh, you know... not so much to say. I'm installed in a big university main server. Some teachers very innovative wanted to install you, the very same that pulled strings to get Moodle into the university, but the managers said that they would only install the official stuff and here I am. And you.
[nWiki] Well not bad, I'm running in the personal servers of those teachers you mentioned. Running innovative social constructionist experiences in cool classrooms. And you?
[eWiki] Oh, they don't bother me much. Some teachers tried to use me, but since I'm useless because of my old markup and tons of open bugs that nobody takes care about, they gave up soon.
[nWiki] Oh, I'm sorry.
[eWiki] Don't be. Since teachers don't believe in me they don't use me anymore, so the system is less loaded and the managers happy.
[nWiki] And the educational innovation ?
[eWiki] Is where always has been. In hands of persistent teachers that use they own laptops as server or purchase cheap Internet hosting to host their virtual classes. Some of them use moodle with you installed and other use other wiki software. Just like moodle.org that uses mediawiki. By the way, you speak mediawiki, don't you?
[nWiki] yes, as a matter of fact I do.
[eWiki] It must be nice to speak languages.
[nWiki] er... yes, whatever.
http://docs.moodle.org/en/NWiki_roadmap
Lions Tigers and Wikis, oh my! (article in Moodlezine)
Wiki forum
NWiki home page, downloads and documentation
Please those who have an opinion about the future of wikis in moodle I'm very discouraged about how or work has been ignored when all the feedback I get is that NWiki should had been in Moodle since 1.6. Our wiki is not bugless, but we are there, answering to questions, giving support, fixing bugs and inventing new ones. Trying to create a useful tool for moodle and ICT in education. No other wiki is as integrated in a LMS like NWiki. No other wiki incorporates a Grading system. And we are releasing this very month other features the teachers may find usefull (like open office import/export) but most teachers will never know about it nwiki is still hidden as a alternative wiki. One that works thought.
Sincerely
Ludo

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Re: Hello I'm a Wiki

by Martin Dougiamas -
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It will be in 1.9 very soon, like I said. Wiki is not the only thing in my backlog.
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Re: Hello I'm a Wiki

by Ludo (Marc Alier) -
Thanks!!!! big grin
I realize you're a very busy man. I just need some feedback from time to time.
I'm at your service.
Ludo
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Re: Hello I'm a Wiki

by Stuart Anderson -
Fantastic! There is a God after all... If I wasn't so morally concious of the damage to the environment, I would FedEx a can of beer over to you.
My commitment to helping this happen will be to go through and tidy up the en_utf8 lang files again (once Ludo and team release the next version).

Thanks again for putting my mind at rest.

--Stuart.
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Re: Hello I'm a Wiki

by Ludo (Marc Alier) -
I share your conciosnes about the environment, after all my phd research is about Sustainable development and education(how do you squeeze a wiki there??? ) So it will be better if I stop by on next moodlemoot UK and we have that beer together , or you can come to Barcelona and you will be able to taste my famous home made paella (see a sample in our last school party ).
cheers
Ludo
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Re: Hello I'm a Wiki

by Jerry Jordan -
Ludo,

Thanks for all of your work on the wiki to date.

Besides for Moodle, I have had very little but wikis on my mind over the last several months. I began by looking for a stand-alone wiki for a web site that I was creating for industry resources. While I am a big fan of Moodle and use it almost daily for the courses we deliver, I have found myself wanting some of the course information readily available to to world at large, and some kept within my courses.

My area of expertise is online marketing and as I develop courses in Moodle, I find myself wishing that I could put some of the copy I am creating outside of Moodle, so it can be indexed by the search engines and lead to more traffic to my courses site.

So, I decided to create a separate site (let's say www.mywiki.com) and I researched every open source wiki I could find. I settled with Wikka Wiki, both because of its powerful category scheme and because the ACL permissions allow me to set up this wiki where I can allow members to comment on pages that they don't have permissions to write.

My idea has been to get my course students to help create the industry wiki on the separate site and to be able to reference the other site wiki from within Moodle (with something like the module for Mediawiki available as a Moodle add-on).

I say all of this because I am very interested in your wiki, but ideally I need something that will work stand-alone AND that I can reference within Moodle (e.g. [W]WikiPage). A "perfect" wiki for me would also allow me to export wiki content from within courses to the stand-alone wiki, as needed. Also, it would be good if I could allow students to comment on pages that they weren't necessarily able to edit, and I didn't notice this ability in your wiki.

I want to use selected course content - not the full courses, but definitions and other info I don't mind sharing with the world at large - to improve search engine rankings so that I can get more students for my courses.

Google seems to love the stand-alone wiki so far. I am just not looking forward to cutting and pasting all of that wiki work into Moodle and visa-versa.

Are you developing your wiki primarily to be part of Moodle, or also as a "stand-alone" wiki?

You said you wanted feedback. smile

Jerry
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Re: Hello I'm a Wiki

by Ludo (Marc Alier) -
Thanks Jerry,
analyzing your message I find 3 issues to be discussed:
  • Permisions. You mention the possibility that a user can discuss the page while he cannot edit the page. This is a minor modification and can be arranged.
  • Use of Google OPEN Wikis within you moodle site. Since moodle allows the gest user I've been NWiki for a long time as a public Wiki, and specially because is opened to google ( BTW-OT google adsense license forbids placing ads in student work pages, did you know? ) in this case you need to notice to your students that their work is opened to the web, and if you do a good google job it will crawl on searches. Many students of mine started noticing that their profile in my site appeared before their home page ( even their myspace page) on searches for their name. You can use Moodle with NWiki as a standalone wiki engine, simply by placing the wiki activities in the main course, and not creating more courses.
  • Import / export we have developed some import filters (for tiddlywiki http://moodle.tifflywiki.org in NWiki moodle 1.6 (because of the roles does not work in newer versions), and comming soon with open office ) I want Nwiki in a close future to steal pages directly from mediawiki engines (if permisions and license allows it, of course smile). Rigth now is not difficult to write a filter to import contents from NWiki.
Thanks for the feedback smile
Ludo
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Re: Hello I'm a Wiki

by Juan Marín -
Hi Wiki team.

I think the Nwiki is almost a perfect TOOL to my university classes. I only need one thing: Nwiki released as the default wiki in new packages. My university don`t support Moodle but I manage an own server (withouth IT help). When I have to upgrade new moodle versions, It would be more confortable to me to have all included in the standard package. Otherwise I have to delete directories, install new wiki, and test all works fine ...

If the old wiki activities of courses run well with Nwiki (I don't know if this is true. In my case yes, after migration)
And new wiki activities run better with Nwiki than "officialWiki" (I don't know if this is true. In my case yes)
I don't understand why the nwiki isn't the new Official in moodle.
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