Sub-courses

Sub-courses

by Kev Marshall -
Number of replies: 18

I am currently trying to help my school into the open source community, so I've just set up Moodle on Linux and will be trying things out on various year groups.

What I need (and I can't seem to find the information for them) is in a year group have sub-categories. For example Year 7 course needs to have within it course 7.1; course 7.2; course 7.3 and course 7.4

At the moment I can't see how to do this. Please help

Thank you

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Re: Sub-courses

by Anthony Borrow -
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If I understand you correctly, you want a category called Year 7 and then 4 courses in that category called Course 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 7.4. Alternatively you could be talking about having a metacourse called Year 7 in which Courses 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 7.4 are child courses. I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to accomplish but I suspect it is one of these 2 approaches.
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Re: Sub-courses

by Kev Marshall -

Sorry to be totally ignorant - what is the difference betweeen the two approaches

Basically - I will have a Year 7 consisting of all pupils in year 7. They will then progress through various courses (7.1; 7.2 etc.) during the year.

Hope this helps, if you need more info just let me know - thanks I appreciate such a swift response

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Re: Sub-courses

by Anthony Borrow -
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A metacourse allows child courses to be enrolled in it. You may wish to read about them in the Moodle Documentation (http://docs.moodle.org/). Will your students progress together through 7.1, 7.2, etc.? Or do some start in 7.1 and others in 7.2? The numbering does not make clear to me what you are hoping to accomplish. Do you have materials that you wish to be made available to all of year 7 students and other materials just to the students in 7.1? If you can, please explain what the numbers mean.

Categories just allow you to organize the types of courses that are offered. For example, we put all of our Math courses together in the Mathematics category. The category has nothing to do with enrollment (who is actually in the various math courses) it just provides a way of organizing the courses to help folks find the course they may be searching for.

We use a Guidance metacourse to communicate with all of our students of a particular year. Each student is enrolled in one of various guidance classes. Soph. Guidance Section 01, Soph. Guidance Section 02, etc. Then all of the Soph. Guidance Section xx courses are pulled into one Sophomore Guidance metacourse. Since the counselors only post information to all of the students and not individual sections the individual section courses are hidden so that the students only see the metacourse. Initially the concepts can seem a little much to grasp. Hang in there and keep reading. I am confident you will figure out which approach or combination works best for you. Peace.
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Re: Sub-courses

by Kev Marshall -

Thanks Anthony, a lot to read there.

Year 7 are 11-12 year olds at the start of Key Stage 3 (2 years 7 & 8)

They will follow a programme of study in ICT. So what I want (this may not be the best way - please tell me if I am way off track here) is a year 7 course that has sub-sections. So when a year 7 pupil logs on they go to the year 7 and then select the course that they are currently on (7.1, 7.2 etc).

I may be doing everything wrong, if I am beat me, tell me off for being stupid and then tell me the right way to do it.

Cheers for all the help...

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Re: Sub-courses

by Anthony Borrow -
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Sounds like you want a Year 7 category with 4 courses underneath that category Course 7.1, Course 7.2, etc.
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Re: Sub-courses

by Kev Marshall -
Yes. How do I do it?
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Re: Sub-courses

by Jon Williams -

Hello surprise

I am having the same problem with 1.7. What I want and I think my colleuge here wants is a catorgory called ICT with a sub category Year 7 followed by the courses unit 7.1, unit 7.2 etc. The unit 7.### courses will be studied by the students in numerical order rather than students being allowed to mix and match. Eventually the unit 7.## will be scorm modules rather than static web pages however I can not set up the multiple sub categories. Any suggestions?

Thanks

Jon

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Re: Sub-courses

by Helen Foster -
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Hi Kev and Jon,

Course sub-categories may be created by adding a new course category then using the "move category to" drop-down menu to move the category inside another category.

Similarly, sub-sub-categories etc. may be created.


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Re: Sub-courses

by Jon Williams -
Yes but in Moodle 1.7 it does not allow you to create sub sub categories
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Re: Sub-courses

by Helen Foster -
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Yes it does - just create a category and then use the "move category to" drop-down menu to move it into a sub-category.
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Re: Sub-courses

by Julian Ridden -
This is a comment really just in regards to the GUI interface of this feature.

With course editing turned on, it would make a lot of sense that within a category you have the option to add a subcategory.

There is nothing more frustrating during the initial setup phase of having to build all the categories and then move them into the sub-category places where you actually want them to appear.

Is this worth voting on in the tracker? Or am I only one of a handful that finds it irritating?
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Re: Sub-courses

by A. T. Wyatt -
Nope, you aren't the only one! If you will kindly file the issue and post back, I will vote for it!

Thanks,
atw
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Vote on change to 'edit courses' interface to allow for direct adding of sub-categories

by Julian Ridden -
Done. I have added this suggestion to the tracker. Please vote if you feel the same way.

The way that Martin and other developers know of what the community wants is through such tools as the Tracker. Be sure to vote for this or add your own suggestions.

This idea has been added in http://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-8939
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Re: Sub-courses

by Richard Palmer -
Richard Palmer wrote:
> Hello Anthony
>
> Way back in February of this year you helped Kevin solve his problem
> relating to Sub Courses http://moodle.org/mod/forum/post.php?edit=361523
> I see from your profile that you are an advocate of Moodle and that you
> enjoy helping answer questions on the forums! I have a similar problem
> and would be very grateful for your help and expertise!
>
> I am a Lecturer in Electrical Engineering here in the UK and would like
> to you use Moodle to assist me in my teaching/learning programmes. I am
> very new to Moodle and would like some expert advice and assistance in
> setting up the most appropriate course structure for my courses.
> Unfortunately, the College Moodle Administrator, is like me, very new to
> moodle and unable to help. Please can you oblige!!
>
> The course I am trying to structure in Moodle has two levels: Level 2
> and Level 3. Each level in turn consists of units: Unit 1 and Unit 2 and
> each unit in turn contains topics to be taught. Students will study both
> units in parallel. Please refer to attachment showing block diagram of
> course structure. Students study Level 2 and the respective units in
> their first year and Level 3 and the respective units in their second year.
>
> I don't envisage any serious problems populating the course units which
> will have a weekly format based on a 36 week scheme of learning (topics
> to be taught). My problem is with the fundamental structure which i
> would like to get right before I expend time in populating the units
> with acitivities, resources etc. I would be most grateful if you could:
> - advise me on the most approriate course structure to use for this course?
> - refer me to the sections/links that will enable me to set up the
> structure?
>
> Many thanks Rick
>
> p.s. we are using Moodle version 1.8
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Re: Sub-courses

by Anthony Borrow -
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Richard - Did you get my reply to your inquiry? If not - here it is:

Richard - After re-reading that discussion, it looks like your situation
is very similar. I would create a Category called Electrical Engineering
and then 2 subcategories for Level 2 and Level 3. I would consider each
Unit to be its own course (weekly format). I would actually go ahead and
contain the course introduction, syllabus, and enrolments in each of the
units. Alternatively, you could create a metacourse called Level 2 and
another called Level 3 and store the Course Introductions and Syllabus
there. The Unit 1 and Unit 2 courses for each level would be enroled as
 the child courses in the metacourse. Managing of the student enrolments
will take place in each of the unit courses. To control who has access
to what, you could use an enrolment key such that until the student
completes Unit 1 they do not have the enrolment key; however, once
completed, the instructor could send the enrolment key to them so that
the student could begin the next unit. Does that makes sense? Peace -
Anthony

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Re: Sub-courses

by Richard Palmer -

Hello Anthony

Yes I did ....... very helpful and many thanks! I think I will go with the meta course structure. Just to run it past you to ensure I understand you correctly. A category called Electrical Engineering with 2 sub categories Level 2 and Level 3 each of which will be designated a meta course. Then to each of these sub categories there will  be 2 further sub categories for the two Units - unit1 and unit 2. Am I right in saying that:

* the two unit courses are in effect sub sub courses of the category Electrical Engineering?

* enrollments made at unit level will bubble up (as they say) to the level meta course? 

* will the whole of this structure have to be set up by the site administrator?

Many thanks for your help! Rick

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Re: Sub-courses

by Udi Ben-Haim -

Hello Anthony and Richard.

Thanks for the detail explanation.

I have a similar problem, and would appreciate your advice:

working on Ver 1.9 Beta and following this discussion I created a course with few sub courses, where the sub-courses are Meta course.

The structure is intended to help course creators. (Meta courses are part of library of courses, to be used in different classes).

Students – and even teachers - should work in the “full” course level only – e.g. Student enrolment and grades are on the course level. Grades should be aggregated from the library mini-courses and displayed as one grade book.

I folowed option 4 in http://docs.moodle.org/en/Metacourses , .

Enrolment work as expected – (student enrolled to the diploma have access to D1 .. D4 courses.)

What I can’t get is grades: I need one view of grades for few library courses – but I can only display grades for each mini-course in its on context.

My questions:

  1. Is there a way in metacourse to enable grades aggregation?
  2. Is there some other way to aggregate grades from different courses, assign weighs and create a single grade book (Diploma ) ?

Thanks for any help.

Udi

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Re: Sub-courses

by Richard Palmer -
Hello Kev
I know it is some while ago - Feb 2007 - but can I ask you if you managed to obtain a solution to your problem re this disscussion - sub courses? I am interested to know how it was done!!!

Many thanks Rick (novice Moodler)