Viewed xx times?

Viewed xx times?

wót Gunther Dippe -
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I like Moodle very much for its clean and intuitive to use interface.

But I feel that a "viewed xx times", right aligned together with no. of replies, could be of great value in a VLE to quickly get an idea whether the students generally have read or at least have looked at lächelnd a message or not.

"xx replies and viewed xx times so far" or something similar.

Disagree? Agree? Doing it differently? Useless?

Cheers



Als Antwort auf Gunther Dippe

Re: Viewed xx times?

wót Jai cheswick -
yeah good idea was thinking the same myself today.....also I was thinkiing about the possibility of having an e-mail sent when someone registers for the same reason...to know what they are up to without having to go into the activity file all the time.

Also was wondering how to maintain the Main Menu links within a resource so that someone could proceed directly to another link without having to go back to the index page.

Jai lächelnd
Als Antwort auf Jai cheswick

Re: Viewed xx times?

wót Greg Barnett -
I'm thinking a good way to monitor activity would be to include the logs in the output for admin/cron.php. Show all activity since the last time the cron page was viewed.
Als Antwort auf Gunther Dippe

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wót Przemyslaw Stencel -
I think it is a good idea, but I'm not sure what should be done with users who are subscribed to a forum. They do not need to visit the course site to read postings - they receive them by e-mail. Should the number of those subscribed users be included in the "viewed xx times" counter or not? What do you think?
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wót Gunther Dippe -
It seems reasonable that the counter for "viewed ..." should increase by the number of subscribed students or rather sent e-mails to unique recipients.

If the above is also logged, that's fine because drop-outs is a big problem, at least here in Sweden.

Since the departments (at the Universities) get paid for the number of students who start the course and an additional sum for how many students complete the course, my suggested feature could also ease the teachers' burden to follow up whether there might be somebody dropping out.

If for some reason a message doesn't seem to go thru it could also be an indication that the message needs some clarification.

Tracing the the students' activities in a VLE is of great importance but we also have to respect their privacy!

Cheers
Als Antwort auf Gunther Dippe

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wót Martin Dougiamas -
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I'm not really sold on the idea (yet).

I can see it would be good to have that information, but there are big problems with the accuracy of it, in that Moodle can never really know what is being read.

What if someone just looks briefly at a discussion page, or does a search that find those posts? Should EVERY post on that page be incremented by one?

If half the class look at a particular discussion two or more times, then the total number of views might be equal to the number of people in the class (yet only half might have seen it). A teacher might look at the numbers and think everyone's read it.

Perhaps having misleading information around like this is worse than no information.

If this feature were to be implemented, it might be better to store a simple true/false flag for each post, for each student, which gets set true if the student has had that post on the screen at some time (either by web or email). This would also one way of solving bug 141 (display of read/unread postings).

One problem even with this approach is a blowout in the amount of data being stored and then later processed. Another problem is that a student who subscribes to all the forums will automatically be seen as a perfect student, even if they haven't read a single thing.

It's a complex problem that I think is without a satisfactory solution.

The lure of trying to build a system that does your assessment work for you is a bit like the lure of the Sirens. zwinkernd

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I think a better approach to evaluate a student's involvement is to look at the 'Complete Report' for a student and evaluate what they've been writing (rather than what they might or might not have been reading).
Als Antwort auf Martin Dougiamas

Re: Viewed xx times?

wót Gunther Dippe -
I realize that one has to think about the benefits contra the disadvanteges from more than point of view.

From my point of view as a teacher, the problem is to be able to easily track whether a student at least is still logging in to the course(-s) s/he's enrolled to. Some kind of early and configurable warning system is what I would like to have.

A course doesn't necessarily have weekly assignments or other kind of weekly task. It may therefore be difficult from this point of view to track their visits.

Moodle seems to keep track of logins today. It should be possible to check last login date and after a specified number of days (i.e. 7) and if the student(s) still haven't logged in, I'll receive an e-mail with the students e-mailadresses and the courses they are enrolled to.

Als Antwort auf Gunther Dippe

Re: Viewed xx times?

wót Martin Dougiamas -
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That could be quite easy to do, actually. Notice on the list of participants that they are initially sorted by date of last login.

If you specify an admin value for the "longtimenosee" variable, then people who haven't logged in for a certain time are unenrolled (eg moodle.com has this set to 30 days).

This is handled by admin/cron.php. It would be easy to add a line or two in there to mail out the names of people who had been unenrolled.