AI in Education: looking for feedback

AI in Education: looking for feedback

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Hello,

I wrote an online report on the use of artificial intelligence in education, and I’d greatly value your insights. Recent advances, from AI tutoring systems to tools like ChatGPT, are beginning to impact classrooms. As part of this project, I would really appreciate hearing about your experiences and views on integrating AI into teaching and learning. Specifically:

  • What AI tools or platforms (if any) have you used in your classroom or professional work? How have they influenced teaching practices or student learning? (For example, adaptive learning software, automated grading tools, AI chatbots for student questions, etc., positive or negative experiences are welcome.)

  • What benefits and challenges have you observed with AI in education? Are there improvements in student engagement or personalization that you’ve noticed? Conversely, do you have concerns about issues like accuracy, equity (digital divide), or student reliance on AI?

  • How do you see AI affecting the role of teachers and assessment in the future? Are you excited or cautious about any emerging AI applications (such as virtual tutors, predictive analytics identifying struggling students, etc.)?

Your perspectives would be incredibly helpful. I will use the feedback from this discussion to complement the piece, for instance, by highlighting real-world classroom anecdotes alongside the broader trends.

When I compile results, individual names or schools will not be mentioned; I’ll aggregate insights to ensure anonymity, unless you don't mind me quoting you.

Thank you in advance for your time.

Link to the report: The Real Story of AI in Education (enewai.com)

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To quote from a that report
"AI tutoring systems like Carnegie Learning’s MATHia deliver an unprecedented 0.65-0.80 standard deviation improvement in student performance, effect sizes that rival expert human tutoring. Students using these systems improved test scores by 15-25 percentile points over traditional instruction."

Do you have a link to any independent verificaiton of that claim?
 
For more context this is the Wikipedia entry for Carnegie Learning
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Learning

And I am the creator of a Moodle Question type that uses AI/LLM for feedback.

https://github.com/marcusgreen/moodle-qtype_aitext/wiki

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Hello,

Thank you for your feedback. RAND has conducted an independent study on another of their solutions, CTAI: https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9746.html
This is why I felt including their claims for MATHia was fair enough, as they already have some established credibility.

Regarding your Moodle Question Type, that's a promising tool! I will check the feedback thread.
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Rand does have creditibility I will read through their report, I am always keen on the About section of any report

https://www.rand.org/about.html
"RAND is a nonprofit, nonpartisan research organization"

You can see a video about my AIText question type here


In a weeks time I am visiting Munich where I will be meeting with some people who look after the Moodle for 1.5 million school children and they have adapted AIText to work with their AI back end.

Keep posting here, we need to discuss these things, I will post again to respond to your specific questions in your original post.
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To expand on my comments I believe AI will be a useful took in education but it is very early days and currently there is a lot of "over claiming". Measuring the effectiveness of educational technology is hard at the best of times but AI is moving fast and is an inherently unreliable area, as it is using statistical calculation of average information rather than calculating a "right answer". This is especially true in the area of Maths.

I have been working extensively with the Moodle STACK question type recently and that uses a Computer Aigebra System to (CAS) to work out the answers. By contrast an LLM can be caricatured as a very fancy autocomplete based on scraping the web. The same prompt can return different results and slight changes in prompts can change results.

I touch on this in this video

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I've been in CALL (computer assisted language learning) for 25 years. I've seen new technologies come & go & I've studied the history of IT in education. Generally speaking, much of the research is of poor quality & there seems to be an inherent bias in favour, i.e. the people who conduct the research are often enthusiasts, even evangelicals in favour of IT in classrooms. That's not to say that there isn't good quality research around, there is, but it tends to paint a more modest picture of effect sizes & more caveats than enthusiasts typically speak or write about.

AI is yet another IT tool & it's going through the typical Gartner hype cycle at the moment, & there are some very vocal people with little or no knowledge or experience in education promising a revolution. They're giddy with excitement. Importantly, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I suspect that it's too soon for that evidence to have emerged yet.

What's more, as always, the method (strategies, techniques, sequencing, evidence-informed principles & practices, etc.) are more important than the medium used (The way that our food is delivered doesn't do much to alter its nutritional value, as the old analogy in education research goes). LLMs are generated from historical data & so will tend to entrench historical teaching methods & so far, the most popular historical methods have had a poor track record of delivering learning gains (e.g. See: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/s15326985ep4102_1). If you prompt any LLM to design lesson plans or give advice about methodology, they return a barrage of edu-myths & poor pedagogical practices. Prof. Paul Kirschner lists 10 of the common edu-myths here: https://randomthoughtsandideas926468149.wordpress.com/2020/03/22/the-ten-deadly-sins-of-education/ & I've seen all of these, as well as assumptions about learning based on these, returned from LLMs consistently.

And, as Larry Cuban has frequently pointed out (https://larrycuban.wordpress.com/), education just doesn't do "revolutions" no matter how much the latest generation of pundits & billionaires would like to believe otherwise. Education changes in small increments &, in many areas, it still has a lot of growing up to do, i.e. becoming less ideological & more rational & evidence-informed & more responsive to the potential benefits of changing how classroom teaching is done, before it can be called a professional field in the way that medicine & engineering are.

Finally, I'm confident that some practical & beneficial uses of LLMs in support of education will emerge. However, I think it's still too early to predict what those might be. I have some ideas of my own but I lack the time & resources to run adequately controlled studies & I suffer from the curse of knowledge, i.e. I know a lot more about my field than the vast majority of teachers in it; what seems simple & straightforward to me is mind-bogglingly complex & opaque to most teachers (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_knowledge). Only when further independent evidence comes in & when I attempt to train other teachers in how to reproduce what I'm developing will the challenges to practical uses of LLMs in education become clear... at least to me. For example, knowing what a student needs to work on next, knowing the underlying science of how they need to work on it for good results, & then being able to design appropriate prompts to return useful responses from an LLM is something that many teachers are struggling with (generic prompts return generic, ineffective & often counter-productive responses). It takes a lot of specialist knowledge & experience (expertise) to be able to do that, let alone teach others how to do it.

Let's see what unfolds, shall we?

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I  agree with  what Matt says.
 
There is a story I cannot find the origin of that many years ago TV was going to "Revolutionise education".  A program was launched (in south America?) where villages were given TV's and educational content was  broadcast.  There was then an analysis on the results in education. To the delight of the research there was an accross the board improvement in educaitonal results.
 
Later someone went back to look at the data and it was noticed that some of the villages could not actually receive the TV signal but they had shown similar improvement in educational results (or at least test scoreds). The revised conclusion was that people do well on tests when they get paid attention and feel valued.  Every time I see the PISA stats quoted I roll my eyes because I know how vague, self serving and political such statitstics can be.
 
To go back to one of the original quesitons.
 
"For example, adaptive learning software"
I have yet to see adaptive learning software that impressed me.

"automated grading tools"

The feedback component of my AIText plugin seems to be good, however  the automated grading is of varying quality. Having said that I focus on developing the code and other people seem to have had success with it.  The conclusion of the draft of a recent book said
 
"AI has tremendous potential to benefit language learners. AI Text, a plugin enabling this technology to work within a popular LMS, has been shown to provide relatively accurate, nearly instantaneous, comprehensible and actionable Corrective Feedback . Though there is certainly room for improvement, this sort of innovation could very well revolutionize the field of Corrective Feedback."

Today I was daydreaming about having a blind test whereby a sample of teachers graded responses and those responses were compared with the grades from various LLM systems.
 
 
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Yes, there have been so many projects that have claimed to revolutionise education. There's also the one laptop per child programme & the computer in a hole in the wall in remote villages experiments that both made extraordinary claims but it later turned out to be a lot of hype & clever marketing & the supporting research turned out to be poorly designed junk. Here's a couple of interesting, entertaining, & well-informed videos of presentations...

"The Most Persistent Myth," 1 Dec 2014, video here: (Running time: 0:07:22)

Abstract

Many technologies have promised to revolutionize education, but so far none has. With that in mind, what could revolutionize education? These ideas have been percolating since I wrote my PhD in physics education. I have also discussed this topic with CGP Grey, whose view of the future of education differs significantly from mine. I think it is instructive that each new technology has appeared to be so transformative. You can imagine, for example, that motion pictures must have seemed like a revolutionary learning technology. After all they did revolutionize entertainment, yet failed to make significant inroads into the classroom. TV and video seem like a cheaper, scaled back film, but they too failed to live up to expectations. Now there is a glut of information and video on the internet so should we expect it to revolutionize education? My view is that it won't, for two reasons:

1. Technology is not inherently superior, animations over static graphics, videoed presentations over live lectures etc. and

2. Learning is inherently a social activity, motivated and encouraged by interactions with others.

Filmed and edited by Pierce Cook, supported by Screen Australia's Skip Ahead program. Music By Kevin MacLeod, www.incompetech.com "The Builder" and by Amarante Music.

A more recent presentation by the same guy, Derek Muller, about AI, "What Everyone Gets Wrong About AI and Learning," 8 Apr 2025, video here: (Running time: 1:15:10)

Abstract

AI is advancing faster than anyone predicted—and it’s already reshaping industries around the world. But what does that mean for education? In this livestream, ‪@veritasium‬'s Derek Muller explores how AI might change how we teach and learn, drawing on insights from past tech shifts and core principles of cognitive science. While AI presents exciting opportunities, it also introduces real risks—especially when it comes to how our brains build knowledge and expertise. Join us for a thought-provoking conversation about the future of education in an AI-powered world.

About the Speaker: Derek Muller is a science communicator, filmmaker, and the creator of the popular YouTube channel ‪@veritasium‬. With a PhD in physics education, he’s spent over a decade creating videos that challenge misconceptions and make complex science accessible. He’s also hosted documentary series like Uranium – Twisting the Dragon’s Tail and contributed to Bill Nye Saves the World on Netflix.

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Hot off the press!

This article on the use of AI in education, arguing for a more systematic, objective, & research grounded approach to integrating AI tools into teachers' lessons & students' learning routines has just been published. Well worth a read:

Bauer, E., Greiff, S., Graesser, A. C., Scheiter, K., & Sailer, M. (2025). Looking Beyond the Hype: Understanding the Effects of AI on Learning. Educational Psychology Review, 37(2), 45. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10648-025-10020-8
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enewAI Team -

Hello everyone,

Thank you very much for your contribution, but the more I look at it, the more I believe it would be more suitable for a dedicated piece. I'll come back with a draft once I find a suitable angle.

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In case anyone has a few minutes to kill & would like to read my summary of the position paper... here you go: https://matbury.com/wordpress/index.php/2025/05/09/position-paper-issues-principles-for-ai-in-learning-research/

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Thanks Matt - I will read it this weekend. Those NotebookLM audio summaries - they are both ingenious and brilliant and cringeworthy scary at the same time - most definitely an acquired taste!
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I could only handle about 30 seconds of the notebook llm audio. It is not the worst version of edtec podcasting at all, but now want to investigate if there is an option to dial back the drivel and get to the point more quickly.

I recently listened to a UK Teachers podcast where I wanted to throw my bluetooth speaker at the wall befor they stopped dribbling on about their personal lives and the weather and how cool it was to yaddda yadda yadda. It was far more annoying that the notbook llm audio, but I'd still rather read the text. 

I should make it clear that I am a total fan of Matt and his writings.

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Aww, thanks Marcus! 😊

Although, writings sounds a bit posh. I'd describe them as rantings.