Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از Jose Miralles در
Number of replies: 18

Hi there!

I just upgraded to Moodle 4.0 and I’m testing my courses. I have a problem with the require passing grade option with the tasks and the completion status of the course.

I found when a task is marked with the require passing grade criteria, even if a students gets a failing grade the status of the course changed and counts that activity as completed, upgrading the number of requirements in the completion status box in the sidebar.

The labels are correct within the activity box (green for the require to have a grade and red for the passing one).

Is an expected behaviour or I’m doing something wrong?


Thanks

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In reply to Jose Miralles

Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از Darrell Klar در
I am seeing this as well!
I was waiting for v4 to resolve the issue where an activity was complete whether it received a passing grade or not, and was told v4 fixed this with the option to require a passing grade.
After testing, this is still not working and the activity and course is flagging as complete with failed activities.
Have you heard from anyone regarding this since your post Jose?
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In reply to Jose Miralles

Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از Mary Cooch (personal account) در
عکس Documentation writers عکس Testers
Hello Jose. Are you talking about the Assignment activity? Can you try this on our sandbox.moodledemo site and perhaps take some screenshots to replicate it? Then we can investigate further.
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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از Jose Miralles در
Hello Mary,

thank you for your reply. Yes, I mean assignment. I tried it with the sandbox.moodledemo. Here are the screenshots:
- First, I setup the criteria (a maximum grade, a passing grade) and the completion status (require recieve a grade and a passing grade)


- Secondly, I grade a student with a 4 (below passing grade) and the students sees this:

- After that I enter the completion status of the course (selecting the assignment I just made for testing the problem:

- Then, the teacher can see this:
 - BUT, the students sees this:

and this:

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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از Shirley Gregorczyk در
عکس Particularly helpful Moodlers
Hello-
I am on 3.11.6+ after the upgrade from an ancient release, non-passing grades on any quiz activity is marked as an activity completion. This is extremely confusing to my learners, as they use their Dashboard>In Progress view to see if they need to take follow-up action(s). The non-passing grade is posted to their Grades view, but they will not look there if the progress is marked as complete.
This seldom happens, but when it does I have found the problem using a SQL query looking for failing grades.
Kind Regards
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In reply to Shirley Gregorczyk

Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از Mary Cooch (personal account) در
عکس Documentation writers عکس Testers
There is a tracker issue which might interest you all here: https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-75173 (Course is marked as completed when conditions are not met for passing grade)
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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از E Martin در
As of 2 days ago (Nov 14), a fix has been released. If you update to 4.0.5 this problem should go away.
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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از aziz vefa در
Hi Martin,
I've upgraded from V4.0 to 4.0.5 but still I have the same issue.
But I applied the settings as mentioned here https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-76079 and it works.
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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از aziz vefa در
Also, I recommend adding the grade restriction and requiring a grade to complete the activity. That's not fixing the issue but just a solution to achieve the goal which is to set the activity completion with a grade.
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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از Shirley Gregorczyk در
عکس Particularly helpful Moodlers
Hello,
I am on 3.11+. This could be a gradebook issue on a specific course - but it appears that the Course Completion conditions are trumped by the Gradebook conditions.

Student did not complete all of the activities for a course.


Course Completion conditions are set to require all activities.

Student's grade is set to Pass - without completion of the last activity.

The course completion condition should be satisfied before the grade is accepted as valid.
Kind Regards
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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از E Martin در

Thanks for following up, Aziz! Can you clarify which settings on that tracker page you followed that helped you resolve this problem?

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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از aziz vefa در
Hi Martin.
***Under Review Options, uncheck "Marks" under "Later, while the quiz is still open" ***

That setting made it work.
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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از E Martin در
Thanks. Just to clarify: Any quiz -> Review options -> later while the quiz is still open -> uncheck "marks"

After reading this manual on review options my understanding is the workaround you identify will also block students from seeing what questions they got correct or incorrect, in the case of perpetually open quizzes? (Any quiz -> timing -> open/close the quiz disabled)  

So, this proposed workaround should work for syncronized classes, but not self paced / asyncronized ones?

Just trying to see if I understand this. Thanks for your feedback. -Eric
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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از Shirley Gregorczyk در
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I believe the post by Aziz is for https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-76079 and unrelated to the original post.

When a student completes a quiz - if they did not achieve a passing score - the quiz activity should still be marked as incomplete and course completion should not be achieved.
This creates two concerns:
1. only students who achieve the passing score for a grade should be marked complete for the activity and course completion.
2. When this occurs, I am an administrator can reset the grade, but the course completion cannot be reset for an individual student. The student's Dashboard view displays the course as 100% complete and will not revisit the course to achieve a passing grade.
Kind Regards
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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از aziz vefa در
Hi Shirley,

Yes, I confirm it is exactly the same bug in https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-76079 and when I check 'Marks' under 'Later, while the quiz is still open', the restriction is working properly. Or, if I also add a min grade to pass the quiz, it's also working properly.

Regards.
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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از Shirley Gregorczyk در
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Thank you for providing this information. I am on 3.11+ so maybe I have a different issue as all of my quizzes have a "grade to pass" value and the "Marks, Later while the quiz is still open" condition is selected.
Students who fail the quiz can see the Fail on their GRADES Overview page, but the course is set to complete removing it from their Dashboard>In-progress view.
Kind Regards.
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Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از Shirley Gregorczyk در
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I just found this tracker MDL-73903 and voted it up. Consider voting for it, if this correctly describes your issue.
Kind Regards
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In reply to Shirley Gregorczyk

Re: Require passing grade doesnt affect completion

از E Martin در

That one looks H5P specific? But on principle I upvoted. Seems like a disturbing number of problems with completion progress in Moodle right now. Which is too bad because it's so freaking important educationally.

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