Webquest module add-on: Roles, tasks, evaluation and more...

Webquest module add-on: Roles, tasks, evaluation and more...

Williams Castillo -
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Hi,

Uff... I've been off the computer for a full week now... But not from Moodle anyway...

I've convinced my wife to start using webquests in their classroom (3rd grade, primary school, 7-8 y-o children) so I think I will have a better picture now...

We are (yes, we ;) ) just planning the activity but I've found some interesting points that deserves some questions.

Roles: Some teachers might want to discriminate activities and/or resources based on roles... Should it be a rule? Should the module be able to model this behavior?

Evaluation: I hope I could make myself clear... blush.gif

Most of the WebQuest I've seen use the evaluation matrix following this pattern:

Task \ Rubric Rubric 1 Rubric 2 Rubric 3
Task 1 What it means.. What it means.. What it means..
Task 2 What it means.. What it means.. What it means..
Task 3 What it means.. What it means.. What it means..

...but I've found that some teachers (specially those who teachs younger people I think) might want to use something like this (rubrics are just examples):

Roles \ Rubric

Rubric 1
(Quality of the final product)

 Rubric 2
(Cooperativism)		 Rubric 3
(Associative learning)
Role 1 Scale with its marks (and meaning) Scale with its marks (and meaning) Scale with its marks (and meaning)
Role 2 Scale with its marks (and meaning) Scale with its marks (and meaning) Scale with its marks (and meaning)
Role 3 Scale with its marks (and meaning) Scale with its marks (and meaning) Scale with its marks (and meaning)

Is this just out of question or could it be useful in some way?

Regards,
Will

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回复Williams Castillo

Re: Webquest module add-on: Roles, tasks, evaluation and more...

Floyd Collins -

First off let me thank you for inspiring your wife to use Web Quest.


Roles should be an option but not mandatory.

 

As for the Rubric, is there a way to make that flexible? Is there a way to have the teacher put in what they want into the tables? I see Rubrics as being something customized by each teacher based on their own WQ.

 

 

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回复Floyd Collins

Re: Webquest module add-on: Roles, tasks, evaluation and more...

Williams Castillo -

First off let me thank you for inspiring your wife to use Web Quest.

Don't mention it... It was nothing.. She's as entusiastic with her work as I am with mine so in fact it was not difficult at all... biggrin.gif

Well... So far, 100% of the sample votes for having the activities/resources tied to roles as optional 微笑

As for the Rubric, is there a way to make that flexible? Is there a way to have the teacher put in what they want into the tables? I see Rubrics as being something customized by each teacher based on their own WQ.

 

Sure but... What else could a teacher wants to put in the table? Asignments, roles, what else?

 

I agree that the WQ module should be simple, efficient and flexible but I also think that it should have a finite scope... If we will wait to have a wonderful all-in design for this module... it would take foverer...

 

By the way... Is it me or there seems to be few to not interest in this module? Perhaps I'm over excited about it... 微笑

 

Will

 

 

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回复Williams Castillo

Re: Webquest module add-on: Roles, tasks, evaluation and more...

Floyd Collins -

"What else could a teacher wants to put in the table? Asignments, roles, what else?"

Not sure,, but I can say once you limit there scop they will want something added..

 

"By the way... Is it me or there seems to be few to not interest in this module? Perhaps I'm over excited about it"

No your not over excited about it. It does seem that there is only a few worker bees on this project. I am awaiting for us to decide on a desing so I can get to work on this. Maybe we just need to build something then worry about all the little bells and such. We could always do this in versions..

 

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回复Williams Castillo

Re: Webquest module add-on: Roles, tasks, evaluation and more...

Ger Tielemans -
  • A Rubric is a set of scales
  • Each scale is about one quality in one specific a task (ordinal scales)
  • a task inside a limited role is a different task
  • the settings around a task - in our case the way it is organised with resources inside a Moodle-section -  has also influence on the freedom in executing the task, so the teacher/designer should adapt the scales to this situation (also in MoodleQuest)
  • A standalone solution for adaptable RUBRICS-shemes can be found at: http://rubistar.4teachers.org/index.php  
  • We have scales, so we need a way to import a set of scales from rubrics into Moodle
  • In the future sets of resources, taskdescriptions and scales should be stored in/retrieved from a central Moodle-store (ContentManagementSystem?)

The original idea of WebQuest is to give a not-technical-teacher a set of fill-in webpages to structurize/scaffold a studentactivity on the web. A less strong part in this approach was the way students could (not) work together on the WWW on their group-assignment, if you compare it with off-line groupwork... and there Moodle jumps in: keep it easy for not-technical-teachers and offer new collab-possibilities? 

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回复Ger Tielemans

Re: Webquest module add-on: Roles, tasks, evaluation and more...

Williams Castillo -

Hi Ger,

Sorry... Sometimes I don't get your point.. Sometimes I think you agree with something, somethings I think you disagree but most of the time I can't figure out if you do or do not agree with something... 微笑

At least I think I got when you point new features... 微笑 Sorry... My english is not as good as I wish.

Could you explain this to me? a task inside a limited role is a different task

Of course I know literrally what it means, but I can't see its context. What were you refering to when you said "limited role"???

 (also in MoodleQuest)

nice name.. 微笑 I like it.

We have scales, so we need a way to import a set of scales from rubrics into Moodle

you mean import them from RubiStar? IMHO, I think it would be an unnecessary waste of time.. Perhaps in a future version.. but noe in the first stages... Besides, I think we should try to reuse what we currently have, i.e., Ray's rubrics system... Wich I have to confess that I have not fully tested so I don't know if they are or not adaptables to what we need here.

keep it easy for not-technical-teachers and offer new collab-possibilities? 

Sure! One of the best features of moodle is that any non-technical person could be even its administrator! It has one of the softest learning curve I've found in any system so far.

Will

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回复Williams Castillo

Re: Webquest module add-on: Roles, tasks, evaluation and more...

Ger Tielemans -

Maybe I should change style: Most often I raise a point to reconsider, not to disagree with you or others. We call this "Polder-model" in The Netherlands. (Living in a polder = you have to work together to keep your feet dry..)

Task inside a role?

The rubrics examples seem to refer to the role-discussion on the WebQuest forum...

Give you another example: A teacher is grading students for independency  (vocational training school). It makes a big difference in expected outcome behavior if you:

  • send a student away to the question-hour of "The Dean" with the exact question you want (him, the dean) to answer
  • say to the student: "This is the problem, please go outside and solve it."
    Student has to figure out the right question, the right person to ask, right time (=question hour) etc..

In the second situation succes is less sure... The descriptions of the " task-performance-levels" (= operationalisations?) of their rubrics should differentiate on this point.
If you create a role you also limit the behavior choices of the student to the allowed behavior choices inside that role: your scale/rubric should adapt fair to this limitation. 

(Off topic: For me this is an important issue in the reusable learning objects discussion: separate resources, tasks and gradingscales from their implementation setting and all the metadata-labels of the world have to work hard to reconstruct the educational meaning of that set in descriptions of its separated parts)

Instead of forcing roles " by design" your MoodleQuest could allow students to switch roles to get a better outcome and then reflect on these role-switching.  
( Finish people (DLE/ZOPE) visualise this very simple by choosing another hat, like De Bono - supported with a change of backgroundcolor for that hat on the screen)

Of course I love Ray's scales and Rubrics, I only hope that he brings in the rubistar share-mechanism in a sort of central Moodle-repository, so we Moodlers could share - and then adapt (!) - scales for grading open assignments, for example products created during a WebQuest..

Using a template like Rubistar, it is more likely that you can exchange rubrics of that format..
 (By the way, also the other additions of him are nice AND elegant. This Man Ray lives in a Moodle, I suppose. Someday I hope  to inspire him to create an " 3-step exercise in Latin translation" Modul for my Latin-teachers at school.)

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回复Ger Tielemans

Re: Webquest module add-on: Roles, tasks, evaluation and more...

Tom March -
Re: A less strong part in this approach was the way students could (not) work together on the WWW on their group-assignment, if you compare it with off-line groupwork... and there Moodle jumps in: keep it easy for not-technical-teachers and offer new collab-possibilities?

I agree with this completely. Also the point about WebQuests offering a scaffolded environment for teachers / students.

I'm trying to stay out of this discussion for possible conflict of interest reasons, but my general words of non-humble advice would be to build it simply first and see about revisions. I say this for two reasons based on my personal experience designing software like this:

1) The trick is to create it so that it prompts teachers (and students) to shift to a more learning-centred approach, NOT carry traditional bad habits into a new medium (in this way, focus on process, not "parts" of the WebQuest).

2) You guys are such keen programmers that it sounds like sinking your teeth into revisions is a breeze and a cool challenge. Get a beta version up and see how teachers use it is my suggestion.

All the best on your endeavors,

Tom --

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