Certification for Teachers in Moodle

Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Eduardo Escalante -
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Greetings:

I work for a private Chilean University (www.uvm.cl) as Educational Technology Coordinator. Since last Octuber we have started to implement Moodle under a blended learning environment. We are interested in formely Certifying our teachers in the use of Moodle (focusing on creating learning environments rather than technical aspects). My questions to this forums are:

  1. Do we (as a University) need to obtain any permissions (from Moodle) to Certifiy teachers
  2. Are there any existing Certification in Moodle? If so, can we use these certification

thanks in advance

best regards

Eduardo Escalante

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Marcus Green -
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I had a chat with Martin about certification a while ago, and there was no program in place then and I have not heard of anything since.
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by W Page -

Hi Marcus!

Would be nice.  But would it promote excusivity?  Could it be opensourced and set up as SCORMs with a certificate generated after completion?

WP1

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Certification for Teachers in Moodle - update

by Stuart Mealor -
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We have been working on the draft scheme for Moodle tutor certification - or Certified Moodle Tutor (CMT).  A small number of people have already been involved, and given some really valuable feedback, but we need some more - please smile

The test course is located at http://www.learning.ac.nz, and is in the category titled Certified Moodle Tutor (CMT) scheme (unsurprisingly!)

We would love to have some more feedback from anyone interested in Moodle certification - from any perspective... e.g. "I want to be certified", "I want my staff to be certified", or "I would like to help with the Moodle certification scheme"

Any (and all) comments are welcomed as we move towards having a scheme that can be launched this year.

Many thanks, Stuart.
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle - update

by Paul Penfold -
Hi Stuart
We will be piloting Moodle in our School of Hotel & Tourism Management in Hong Kong. (1200 students). I would be interested in trialing the CMA and CMT with some of our admin staff and tutors. Roughly how many sessions/hours for the 2 courses?

What help do you want with the certification scheme?
Paul
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle - update

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hello Paul
It's very difficult to provide an estimated time that a CMT would take - it is purposefully designed in an open ended structure.
If you have a look at the CMT dummy course you should get a reasonable idea of how many hours work it would be smile
PS - one of our clients is The New Zealand School of Travel and Tourism - so a similar market to School of Hotel & Tourism Management?
Stuart
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle - update

by Eduardo Escalante -

Stuart:

Would love to look at the certification scheme. How do I go about obtaining access to the course? Do I just need to register?

 Regards

Eduardo

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle - update

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hello Eduardo
- the enrolment key is tx81z
Please note that this is a 'work in progress' and we are looking for feedback and input at this stage... we've already had some great ideas smile

Stuart
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Martin Dougiamas -
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The subject has been floating around for a while. I did have some old plans for courses at courses.moodle.com but I've no time to run that at the moment. I've also talked with some people at conferences about this (NZ and UK) who have had some interesting ideas. I'm not big on certification personally (in general) but I certainly recognise the usefulness of it for many people.

The picture I have particularly is a set of common certifications defined by the Moodle community, each with a list of criteria and a guide for assessors. "Teaching with Moodle" and "Administrating Moodle" to start with. Official certificates could be issued automatically via the Moodle.org site, but the actual accredited assessors could be all over the world.

A good example of a scheme like this seems to be the INGOT scheme (International Grades in Office Technology) which OpenOffice promotes (Overview in pdf).  Here is an example of the information for their Bronze level (pdf)

Once the new Documentation gets going, I was considering creating a Marketing position that would include things like this, but if someone really wants to take charge of a certification project alone I'll happily open a course here on moodle.org to let them facilitate the design of criteria for each certificate and related ideas.
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Eduardo Escalante -

Martin

Thank you for your reply, I totally agree with you with regards to developing a certification defined by the Moodle community, which is divided into different areas of Moodle.

We are currently working on a draft proposal of certification in creating effective learning environments using Moodle. Once we have it,  will love to send it to you. One of our major concerns is to be able to develop content in Moodle that provides a "practical" support to the activities the instructors carry out in their classrooms. Also, we would like to evaluate the effectivenes of using having our courses in a plataform such as moodle, in terms of educational outcomes. Currently we are looking at Douglas Kirkpatricks model of Summative Evaluation.

Best regards

Eduardo

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Josie Fraser -

Would it be an appropriate time to open up a course area for us to continue this in now Martin? Theres a good sized bunch of us and we've rather taken over this course.  

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hi Josie/Darren

I'm talking with Marting this week about how we can move things forward - so should have some more direction quite soon smile

Stu

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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I am currently working on a proposed certification scheme for Moodle - Martin now has a draft scheme document.

The scheme is intended to have both technical and educational aspects (Moodle competence would be a blend of both).  The current thinking is that the certification would be be 50% project based, and 50% exam based.

I would be very interested in hearing from anyone regarding certification.  We want any official Moodle certification programme to encourage tutors skills development, and also to provide a framework for organisations who are taking a strategic approach to staff training.

Stuart
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Eduardo Escalante -

Stuart:

Would it be possible to have a copy of the draft scheme? We are interested in certifying our instructors in terms of educational aspects.

regards

Eduardo

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hello Eduardo

It is still very early days in the Moodle certification development (it requires aligning with the Moodle documentation project, and also to take into account Moodle 1.5).

In a few weeks we hope to have the draft scheme available (it is still early days!), at that point we would love your involvement and input - if you and your organisation have already started thinking about certification it is likely that you can offer some great input into the scheme.

I'm well ahead of myself here, but in the longer term we would like to have certification / exam available in more than English!  And I'm guessing you could help in the area of Spanish???

Once we have some progress I will backtrack on everyone who has expressed interest and start getting people involved smile

Best regards, Stuart

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Richard Treves -
Can I make a suggestion about the technical and educational aspects?  You may find that people wishing to have moodle certification have previous experience with another VLE, in this case they may not need to learn about the educational side of moodle, they just need to learn out to operate it.  With this in mind a Learning Object design would seems sensible so that students with the educational background could easily skip blocks they didn't need. I'm not suggesting that they don't need to pass the same assessment but I am suggesting that your certification reflects a LO structure.

Hope that's a helpful idea

Richard
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Martin Dougiamas -
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I've just put my finger on the main thing that bothers me about all this certification - it implies Moodle is hard to learn as you go (just-in-time learning).

One of my goals has always been to make it easy to use from the beginning, and easy to learn about as one goes along. Some of my ideas in this direction (such as wizards) have not been implemented yet and much interface improvement is still going on all the time (which incidentally will quickly render a fixed certification course obsolete).

In a way, requiring a course to learn Moodle to a certain standard is in fact promoting a failure of the Moodle interface itself.

I fully understand some of this certification talk is actually about $$$ and bureaucracy (and I'm still open to helping a Moodle Partner provide such courses to fill those needs), but to provide the best service educationally I think we might give a lot more thought to embedding some of these certification ideas inside Moodle as part of the Documentation project (in addition to the ongoing interface improvments).
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Miles Berry -
I too have felt mildly uncomfortable with notions of certification.

I think this is to do with some unease with how this would sit with Moodle's social constructionist pedagogy, and the intrinisc motivation which underpins the best constructivist learning.

Whilst it is possible to envisage a certification scheme based on the construction of Moodle courses and contributions to discussion forums, it would worry me if folks were writing courses or posting contributions merely to get a certificate, cf authentic problem based learning.
There also seems far more important things about teaching with Moodle than knowing the technical stuff, and I'm unsure how a Q&A based approach to certification could capture that magic.

My view is that the best way to learn Moodle is by constructing a Moodle course for oneself, which surely self certifies, together with participation in the wider Moodle community through posts in these forums, and, for those up to it, contributions to development and documentation.
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Martin Dougiamas -
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Very good points and well said, Miles  approve

One step beyond the interface is the process of action research, where a teacher studies and reflects upon what they are doing within the live context of real teaching, then applies this new knowledge to modify how they are using Moodle in a spiral of self-improvement.

If a certification process could somehow capture this process and its outcomes (which will probably vary substantially from situation to situation) it would be very interesting.
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Miles Berry -
I wonder if we could perhaps start collecting Moodle case studies derived from such action research?
Practically, detailed accounts of experience elsewhere would be of great help in learning from what has worked well, or less well in other institutions. From an academic standpoint such a collection would be of great value to those investigating on-line learning, perhaps particularly in the schools sector, where there seems very little evaluative work so far.
Perhaps an expanded version of the, relatively underused, Moodle Stories forum, together with links to/from appropriate entries in Moodle Buzz is a place to start, or we encourage users to document their use of Moodle in their personal profiles.
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hi Miles
Good points.
I think everyone would agree that this sort of 'collection of case-study courses' would be an invaluable asset for the whole Moodle community.
As you note, although the Moodle Stories forum has been a mechanism to enable this, it is generally under utilised.
Having a certification programme that involves candidates creating a course, evaluating it in a structured way, and sharing it would create this resource (benefitting the candidate, and everyone else).
Stuart

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Nicholas Cutajar -

Have been following the discussion about "certification" and I agree with Martin that creating/developing certification courses implies a weakness in the product, i.e. poor userinterface, lack of ease-of-use, etc. As an example, there is a perception out there that the M.Y.O.B.  Accounting software is difficult to learn given that there are so many business around offering courses in the use of the product.

Certainly, "wizards" would be a great next step in development, but maybe in the meantime, the documentation project could incorporate some additional "how to.." tutorials or step by step guides. I'm willing to help collate or assist in collating this material if no one else volunteers.

Nicholas

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Martyn Overy -
Moodle is no doubt a fantastic product.  It can be used in a variety of ways, to suit the needs and requirements of individuals and organisations. In this respect, there is not a 'standard' use and application for Moodle. For someone to offer certification in its use  does not exactly inspire confidence for new users. However, it does indicate another venture to use Moodle to make money, by yet another 'support' application/service.  I have introduced Moodle to colleagues and students, and we have all discovered many ways to enhance and enrich teaching and learning. Not once did anyone  express concerns about the interface, or the ease of application to their specific needs. There is more than enough support and guidance available through this global community already. This complements and enhances Moodle's particular philosophy of learning.
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Mark Burnet -

What I would seek from a "Certified" Lead Teacher is someone who could explain to my teachers who are new to on-line instructions what certain processes can accomplish.   Many of my "established" classroom teachers do not  know what "wiki" and "workshop" mean in a Moodle context. Or how to use them to create a learning process for an at-risk 13 year old or primary school child using social constructivist principles.  This is a big stumbling block for them to have the confidence to step into a new way of teaching.  Many teachers today have not taken an on-line class and those that have done so experienced a design too poor to model for themselves.

I have been so close to Moodle that it seems perfectly intuitive to me.  When I work with some of my teachers (and I am thinking about a recent incident using the Lesson Module) they cannot get their arms around the process of the activities design without a struggle and some guidance. I would want to have someone with the ability to relate to their experience because they have first hand knowledge of a wide range of activities using all the modules that Moodle offers.  This experience or understanding would range across a broad spectrum of instructional disciplines and with a variety of student types with different learning styles.

With respect to the Moodle Partners, I see certification relating to working with Moodle installs on a variety of platforms, knowlege of troubleshooting Moodle issues,  modifying themes or other minor language and filter tweaks.  Also, integration of Moodle into other systems such as "What are the requirements from Active Directory or Novell NDS and the use of LDAP authentication?"  I am sure there are long list of items like this that could be culled from the general problems forum and presented as part of a certification process.

While Moodle itself and future wizards could resolve most of the core concepts of using Moodle, a Certified Moodle User would understand well what is needed to implement the system efficiently, both for the Teacher and the IT administration.

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Martin Dougiamas -
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Your teacher's problem with the Lesson module is quite definitely a usability/interface problem, since even I find it confusing. tongueout

Your other point about Partners is off-topic in this thread... but, we share expertise with each other (and specialise) so certification across the board need not be so formal.
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Mark Burnet -
Forgive my use of the term "Moodle Partner".  I believe I should have said "someone certified in the administrative aspects of using Moodle".
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by N Hansen -
I am in 100% agreement with Martin. If Moodle is a good product, it doesn't require a certification to operate. I think it would be much more beneficial for Moodle if, rather than users throwing their money at having certified Moodlers help them to use it (enriching the certified Moodlers wallets), that money should be funneled back into Moodle to improve its usability and documentation, eliminating the need for certified Moodlers (enriching the Moodle product itself).
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Eduardo Escalante -

Martin:

One of the main reason we are interested in certification of Moodle for our instructors is because of pedagogical reasons rather than operational aspects (by this I mean being able to use the options that Moodle has available).

A little background regarding University instructors here in Chile. Most of the instructors that teach at a University level do not have any or no pedagogial formation, rather they are specialists in their field. Even though they may  dominate their area, this doesn't mean that are able to transfer effectively that knowledge in the classroom. We believe that this effective transfer is based on a good pedagogy which is not only the responsibility of the instructor but also the institution he or she works for. Thus we believe through certification we are providing our instructors a pedagogical base or foundation so that they able to understand the concepts as well as take advantage of the tools that Moodle has available and apply the to their area of expertise

best regards

Eduardo

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Nicholas Cutajar -

Eduardo
Interesting reading. Without going into too much detail about the need for, roles and responsabilities of, an e-Learning Project Team, one must acknowledge that the subject matter expert may not be the one who eventually breaks up the content into educational portions for online delivery. That job is usually, ideally, assigned to the Instructional Designer and possibly the writer of the content.

In the real world of secondary teaching, often the jobs of project manager, subject matter expert (SME), Instructional designer, writer, graphic artist )often enough), evaluator, etc., are all combined into one.

Cheers

Nicholas

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Eduardo Escalante -

Nicholas:

As far as I know there is not an Academic Program at Pregrad level in Instructional Design in any University in the región of Chile I live in. I live in the 5th Región and there are about 12 Universities (private and public). Only recently University are creating Masters in Distance Education o Instructional Design.

regards

eduardo

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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It is difficult to critically evaluate a Moodle certification scheme without having anything concrete to view and discuss.  Therefore I will be producing a 'dummy' certification scheme on our server, and inviting comments from Moodle users who are interested in this area.  (This may also help with the Certification / Training differentiation Martin alluded to - they are very definitely not the same thing!)

It will take about 2 weeks to produce this, and then I will open it up so everyone can view it.

The content, broadly speaking, will be 'Certification overview', supporting documents (e.g. competence/skills guide), example content, quizzes, examples of work, etc. - basically the whole 'shooting match' so we can have a discussion around something a bit more solid.

If you have any strong feelings on what a Moodle certification should be, please let me know either here or in a direct email and I will try and incorporate into this initial 'dummy' programme as a starting point  smile

Thanks, Stuart.
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Certification for Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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I think there needs to be a shared understanding of the fundamental aims of a Moodle Certification programme.  Some key points;

1. Moodle Certification must remain completely optional
(The majority of Moodle users may never require or want a Moodle Certificate).  For those who are not fans of certification, they can simply ignore it - apply the TV censorship technique - if you don't want to watch something, switch it off smile

However, for organisational development (e.g. staff training plans), and for individuals seeking a recognition of their skills and abilities, certification has a beneficial role to play.

2. A Moodle Certification scheme for tutors should not be generating large amounts of documentation or required reading etc. - the documentation project is fulfilling this need.  The Certification programme should reference this work, and guide candidates towards/through it.

3. Moodle Certification should be competency based.  The proposal I have with Martin is for a certification that is 50% project based, and 50% exam based.

Having set-up and worked with many certification programmes over the years, I firmly believe that certification should not be a 'rubber stamp skills checklist'.  Certification should be a method of a) helping structure candidates learning and b) promoting reflection on their own professional practice (Martin might term this Action Research - a popular practice in the nursing profession for example).

The well-known 'vendor' certification models are not generally a good starting point; e.g. a Microsoft Office Specialist Word exam is essentially testing the candidates recall regarding the functionality of the application.  In no way, shape, or form does it actually stimulate or motivate an exam candidate to produce better documents (e.g. you might know centring and alignment, but which is most appropriate for the business world?).

Any Moodle certification must create a 'learning benefit' for the candidate.

4. The concept I am working on is to have a 50% project course and evaluation, and a 50% exam scheme

In simple terms, candidates produce a course, using whatever functionality they feel appropriate, and then reflect on and evaluate their own course.  This is a 'public' course - that other candidates (or indeed any Moodle user) can view - and LEARN from.

The course project and evaluation would contain a document, specified criteria that should be covered, including details of the target audience, the choices of resources, the considerations given to technology (e.g. media, internet speed), etc. etc.

Essentially there is no 'right or wrong' for the course project and evaluation.  It's about the candidate analysing and working through their own working practice, and reflecting on the choices they made, and why.

In the spirit of Moodle and Open Source generally, this course, and it's evaluation, are available for review by all.

Given that candidates would decide when their course project and evaluation is complete, all candidates would achieve the first 50%.

5. The exam itself (the other 50%) would be within a controlled Moodle environment, and be a test of candidates knowledge of Moodle functionality - the areas that a Tutor would need to know to effectively deliver and support Moodle courses.

Note: If you think this through fully, it's almost a redundant idea.  If a candidate has successfully completed a course project and evaluation they must be competent with the functionality!  In essence the exam serves as an authentication method, and for those motivated towards certification, an external recognition of their competence - yes, some people are proud to pass an exam (and why not!)

6. Certification should be available for both Tutors, and Administrators.
(This has a bearing on the 'educational bias' that has been discussed).

(The course project and evaluation for Tutors, becomes a Site set-up and Administration review for Moodle Administrators - more concerned with issues around, technology, back-end set-up, compatibility, etc.)

So, in summary... (in very brief terms)

a) Certified Moodle Tutor (CMT)
50% project course and evaluation - a reflective analysis exercise
50% quiz - covering Moodle functionality (appropriate for tutors) and some educational theory / practice (e.g. basics of group work, online dynamics, collaboration)

b) Certified Moodle Administrator (CMA)
50% site course and evaluation - a reflective analysis exercise on a site set-up
50% quiz - covering Moodle functionality and integration (technically orientated)

Note: I have offered Martin our services to set-up, host, and coordinate a Moodle certification scheme, so would be really interested in anyone who feels they would like to contribute smile

(It's a bit like the documentation project... it gives non-technical Moodle users a chance to 'put something back').

In answer to the 'why waste money on certification, just donate it' question, any revenue generated would go back into the Moodle development fund.  I also believe that individuals are more likely to pay for a certification opportunity, than simply making a donation.  Think about how many organisations have a staff 'donation' fund?   Then consider how many have a staff development/training budget that would support certification fees?

Stuart
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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Don Hinkelman -
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In answer to the 'why waste money on certification, just donate it' question, any revenue generated would go back into the Moodle development fund. [my emphasis added] I also believe that individuals are more likely to pay for a certification opportunity, than simply making a donation.  Think about how many organisations have a staff 'donation' fund?   Then consider how many have a staff development/training budget that would support certification fees?

Now you've got my attention! smile  If a certification process can be supported by volunteers (I volunteer), and all monies go directly into moodle.org development funding, I would support this effort.  In addition, besides many of the plans proposed here, I think most of the evaluation (at least 50% as Stuart suggests) should focus on the action research case study that Martin proposed.  I have a number of ideas for this.  What drives my interest is that the collection of the case studies would actually be a start on the Moodle Repository.  You know, the ways we use Moodle are hard to chop up and share.  Often I can learn a lot more from a case study than simply a course backup.  We need both the exchange of pieces and the exchange of wholes in repository.   This plan would be the driving incentive to a library of good case studies.  smile
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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Michael Penney -
any revenue generated would go back into the Moodle development fund.

This sounds like a great way to help fund Moodle development if it can set up in a manner that is inexpensive to run, as many large organizations will pay for this sort of training.

It would also be a great idea if there could be a process for setting up local training centers for certification.

I think there does need to be some planning on this issue though:

It does seem a bit unrealistic to say that 'any revenue generated will go to development', though, as even with a fully automatically assessed system it will take some cost to support it and provide web space. With project based, human assessed system, it seems to me it will cost a good deal to run.

If the main product is going to be action research or other project based, then it is going to take a good deal of resources to evaluate those projects.

I would suggest that assessment be done on automatic items (such as lesson/quiz completion with a certain score) but that final certification also be dependent on a publically released project meeting certain requirements.

The lowest cost to administer system would simply check whether these projects met the requirements, however, since it would be published publically, 'peer pressure' ought to keep most the projects of high caliber among professionals.

Perhaps a peer review system could also be used to assess the final projects, but I fear that if most of the assessment for this system is not automatically graded, it will either be expensive to run or take a very long time get certified.
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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Josie Fraser -

Two ideas -

Firstly, Moodle.org could charge a substantial lump sum to accredit people as evaluators. They would produce an evaluators version of the final report/case study, together with evidence of experience in training/support, which someone at moodle central would have to agree.  Alt have been currently developing an accredited learning technologist scheme, and dealing with similar issues of scale.

Secondly, practitioners could pay a lesser fee to have their accreditation registered with Moodle.org. - OK there are costs in setting up a database and administrating it but these should be minimal.

Alt's scheme is good for three years - to make sure that practitioner skills are up to date. Their whole model (as well as this aspect of it) is worth while considering.   

PS - someone should really add the word "moodle" to the spell check wink

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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Don Hinkelman -
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any revenue generated would go back into the Moodle development fund.

>>This sounds like a great way to help fund Moodle development if it can set up in a manner that is inexpensive to run, as many large organizations will pay for this sort of training.

If moodle.org could earn $10,000/year via certifications, harnessing volunteer assessor energy, it would be worth attempting--equalling or exceeding donation income. Less than that would, in my guess, be a lot of work for modest gain.

>>It would also be a great idea if there could be a process for setting up local training centers for certification.

In order for moodle.org to benefit financially with little administration time required for Martin, the assessment would have to be centralized and semi-automated. Local centers for training could prepare teachers for assessment. Local centres/partners would charge for their training, but not for the assessment. It is good to keep the training and assessment separate for integrity, and it is good to avoid having to move money around.

However, as Martin reminds us, Moodle allows a teacher to learn just-in-time, with well-supported help. So after one-two years of using Moodle, training is unnecessary. However, large institutions may want to do en-masse training of groups of teachers anyway.

It does seem a bit unrealistic to say that 'any revenue generated will go to development', though, as even with a fully automatically assessed system it will take some cost to support it and provide web space. With project based, human assessed system, it seems to me it will cost a good deal to run.

I think you are right in that a chunk of initial income would need to support building a semi-automated system, including repository. However, after that the income could go toward developing new modules and other priorities.

If the main product is going to be action research or other project based, then it is going to take a good deal of resources to evaluate those projects.

This is the part of the assessment I am most interested in. I would be willing to facilitate a team of ten volunteer assessors who would prepare a set of assessment criteria (possibly at different levels--bronze to gold?) which would be held under critical review by the Moodle community and Martin in particular. The action research case study would take at least a year to complete, not just preparing a course, but conducting and assessing a course, with some sort of peer review built in. There is a lot of good insights and procedures out there in the action research literature. Because the case study is so time consuming (and useful!), kind of a "gold" level assessment, there would also need to be a lower level of assessment for institutions who just want certification of "operational" skills (ie: can make a quiz, can set up a gradebook)--and a brief project added. Thus the need for some kind of "bronze" level.


>>Perhaps a peer review system could also be used to assess the final projects, but I fear that if most of the assessment for this system is not automatically graded, it will either be expensive to run or take a very long time get certified.

Yes, the peer review would take lots of volunteer time, and a long time to get certified, but that is why we would need a multi-level system of certifications.


(P.S. notice the auto-capitalization of key words--perhaps from the glossary?--is this a bug?)
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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Michael Penney -
Maybe the levels could be technical to pedagogical rather than bronze to gold. For instance one could have certifications for technical staff such as course builder or administrator.

These are the sorts of certifications a university system which is largely fact to face might pay for, technical staff are generally seen as being there to provide technical (rather than pedagogical) support. There are similar technical certs. for WebCT and Blackboard, not to mention Microsoft. In fact the lack of such official, technical, certification for Moodle is something brought up as a problem for Moodle's adoption (how does an administrator who is not a technical expert evaluate if her staff is adequately trained in Moodle support?).

It sounds like your 'gold' level is more of a pedagogical certificate, which is a great idea, but not the sort of thing traditional US universities are used to paying for (US faculty tend to see themselves as the pedagogical experts). In my experience, if you want higher ed. institutions to pay for their staff or faculty to get a certificate in online pedagogy, well, it will be a hard sell if it is not offered by an accredited institution. However, they (we) are used to paying for technical certifications.

Seems to me technical certifications could be pretty well mostly or entirely automatically graded (also a good example of our faith in our assessment toolssmile), by a test (or better a set of lessons culminated by a timed quiz) purchased from Moodle.org (but perhaps developed by and peer reviewed by the community).


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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Don Hinkelman -
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Hmm. Yes, I was primarily discussing certification of a teachers' pedagogical skills with Moodle plus some technical skills (Bronze: operational skills+project--Gold: action research case study). If you are right, Michael, that few people/institutions would pay for pedagogical certification with Moodle, well, that definitely takes the wind out of my sails. sad Too bad, it was a nice idea, anyway. smile
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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Bob Allen -
It would be a good idea - I think that not necessarily the certification (although a bonus) but the idea of having an invoice(optional?) to raise funds for moodle  is excellent as we cant just donate
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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hi Bob
You are right - which is why I suggested the fee from day one
- I once asked an accountant to voluntarily contribute something to Jasc for Paintshop Pro (I think) - I won't even go into that story...
Stuart
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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hi Michael

Great points - always good to see your input in these forums!

I have envisaged any CMT (Certified Moodle Tutor) scheme as being 50% project-based, incorporating some element of peer review, and 50% test based
- I think you are probably correct to suggest that a CMA (Certified Moodle Administrator) scheme could be carried out via 'automatic' means on the basis that;
1. the quiz options in Moodle are constantly improving
2. 'technical people' are used to MCSE / Prometric type certifiaction approaches

Interesting comment on the 'hard sell' of certificate in online pedagogy - one of my fundamental principles here is that it's optional - no-one should ever be thinking that a CMT is a requirement - it's a 'nice to have', and a way on contributing to the wider community.

Stu

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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Michael Penney -
HI Stu, I didn't mean to turn anyone off on the project with my comments, they're just relevant to US Higher Ed. (and maybe just parts of thatsmile. I can see a certificate with a pedagogical component being valuable in corporate/non-profit areas, sort of a mirror of my comment about the Manager and employee skills: conversely if a corp/NGO manager doesn't have an education background, they may like a way to know their staff is trained in appropriate pedagogy.

For US higher ed and k-12, for a certificate with a pedagogical component to be supported as part of in-service training, in my opinion it would be an 'easier sell', if it were offered in conjunction with an accredited institution. Of course that doesn't preclude developing the model, if a certificate program was available I would guess there may be a number of schools of education that might want to offer it. Perhaps a model here would be to offer students the material for a fee to go to Moodle.org, like a textbook, while the education school administers the course and offers credit for it.

On the other hand, it may be easier to get an automatically graded CMA program up and running. I think I could see getting a few of these for my staff if it were well done and reasonably priced, and it would be a good 'selling point' both for Moodle to have and to help get support staff used to other LMSs (and certified as experts in those LMSs) over the initial concern over change and learning a new system.

I'm heading off for vacation for a few weeks, but when I get back I'd be interested in participating in a CMA type certification set of courses. We have some support material (getting updated for 1.5) here which might help out.

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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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Thanks Michael
I think your involvement in CMA would be really good smile
The feedback at the moment seems to be that CMT should be first - and I think  there is probably more interest in this ... plus I've done more work on this than CMA smile
Have a great holiday!
PS - nice site - I'll look through this in more detail over the weekend
Stu
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Re: Certification for Moodle-including pedagogy

by Kevin Kelly -
Michael has some good points. I teach in an Instructional Technologies M.A. program at San Francisco State University (SFSU). Our students go in three directions: K-12 and higher education, corporate training, and instructional multimedia development. The alumni state that, above all, it is the instructional design training that makes them most valuable on the job. Next comes strong writing skills. Corporate employers I have interviewed, such as Wells Fargo and Genentech, are willing to train people to perform technical tasks "on the job" if they have a background that informs how to use those technical skills for instructional purposes.

With Stuart's 50/50 evaluation model, perhaps the project-based portion would pertain to teaching (using a rubric like the one from CSU Chico) and the test-based portion would pertain to Moodle/technology. This would be even more effective if you can create interactive environments where users demonstrate that they know how to do something, rather than describe it or answer questions about it.

If you split the content into two separate certificates (one for Moodle and one for pedagogy), then it will be important to cross-reference them, so that people understand the importance of both sides of the coin. Here at SFSU, we combine teaching and technology objectives almost every time we have a workshop. I call it "hiding the broccoli under the cheese". What we found is that if we don't do that, people will opt to learn the technology only. Since most university faculty (85-95%) do not get the chance to learn how to teach (face-to-face or online), we hope this will increase chances for learner success in the online environment. I do not have any statistics for the amount of pedagogical training pursued by corporate trainers or instructional multimedia developers.

Kevin
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Re: Certification for Moodle-including pedagogy

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hi Kevin

You raise some great points smile

I'm not sure about splitting into two certificates... I am still trying to get everyone agreeing to having a certification system at all !  (lol)

I am also wary that Certified Moodle Tutor would need to be a commercially viable certification also - not built to the requirements of a Univeristy system...
...it is going to have to balance University, School, Commercial, Private, Individual clients...

In it's final format, certification needs to have 'something for everyone' if it is to be widely adopted, and useful -  Stu
In reply to Don Hinkelman

Re: Certification for Moodle

by Martin Dougiamas -
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> auto-capitalization of key words--perhaps from the glossary?--is this a bug?

Yes, it is.  bug 3688
In reply to Don Hinkelman

Re: Certification for Moodle

by Paul Penfold -
Way back in 1992, I completed an RSA Exam Board assessment for the 'Certificate in Open Learning Delivery'. This was based on a set of performance criteria devised by the UK Training & Development Industry Lead Body for the National Vocational Qualifications (NVQ) in training and development. (see http://www.qca.org.uk/610.html) It was practical, based on a portfolio approach, using evidence generated in the following areas of open/flexible/distance learning: tutoring DL students, designing programmes, administration & support. It might make sense to consider 'workplace' performance standards, which give a practical and clear set of criteria for assessment. This approach would be outcome-based, with no time constraints, and evidenced by the actual work the e-learning tutor, administrator, course designer does in supporting learners. Rather than a bronze - gold award, the outcome is 'competent' or 'not yet competent', and the person being assessed can fill in the gaps of evidence until they achieve the required performance standard. The exam board charged for the certification and the assessors time. It would be reasonably easy for those wanting to be assessed to put their portfolio on line, so that we use the Moodle platform to provide the assessment. The TDLB also have standards for assessors and verifiers, so other experienced people could act as the QA part of the process. (in this way, perhaps the assessor fees could be shared with Moodle) See more details on the UK Qualifications framework http://www.openquals.org.uk/openquals/Sector_13.aspx?first-tier=13_Education_and_Training
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Re: Certification for Moodle - Assessment

by Kevin Kelly -
Hi Don (and all),

There are plenty of assessment criteria in place from which we can choose, or from which we can construct something new. CSU Chico has a great Rubric for Online Instruction (http://www.csuchico.edu/celt/roi) which emphasizes the ability to construct an environment for learning over the ability to perform technical tasks. It is important in any assessment like this to keep sight of what may be the most important part of working with tools like Moodle--namely, meeting students learning needs.

The technical tasks (e.g., ability to make a quiz, etc.) enable instructors to teach, but the assessment should also check to see that an instructor has chosen online activities and assessment strategies that match the students' learning objectives. For example, a chemistry professor/teacher cannot use a multiple choice quiz to determine whether or not students can perform a lab experiment. At best, he/she can assess whether or not they can describe the experiment.

I recommend that the Moodle community consider both teaching and technology skills when creating assessment criteria for Moodle certification. I look forward to working with the community on this.

Kevin


Kevin Kelly
Assistant Director
Center for the Enhancement of Teaching
San Francisco State University
In reply to Kevin Kelly

Re: Certification for Moodle - Assessment

by Frances Long -
hello everyone:  I just learned about this moodle certificate discussion and have subsribed to the forum. Just want you to know that we at knowplace already have content for teachers learning to use moodle and we also have a bit for administrators learning to use moodle.  If our content, our private/public partnership with a public institution in Canada or knowplace.ca or I can be of any assistance.  Just let us know.  We are here with you and happy to roll up our sleeves to do some work. 
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Re: Certification for Moodle - Assessment

by W Page -

Hi Frances!

Isn't Bruno at Knowplace??

WP1

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Re: Certification for Moodle - Assessment

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hi Frances

The proposed certification scheme (through this very forum) is still trying to answer the bigger questions of 'what should it be' before really getting heavily into content... watch this space!

The CMT course at learning.ac.nz is an attempt to move discussion forward from 'what is the nature of education and certification' to a more concrete 'what would a moodle certification course look like and feel like'

- but it is great to have your offer of support

Stuart
In reply to Don Hinkelman

Re: Certification for Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hi Don
You've put in some really good points in this discussion, and I notice you are very active around the Moodle forums! - would you have time to get involved in the Certification scheme properly? - I'm just trying to find half a dozen people who;
a) have the time
b) the momentum
c) the skills / vision / experience
...to take the Moodle certification scheme forward

Thanks, Stuart
PS - anyone else that wants to get involved in a real practice way that involves more work than discussion(!) please email me directly


In reply to Stuart Mealor

Re: Certification for Moodle

by Don Hinkelman -
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Hi Stuart,
Yes, I would be happy to get involved in the pedagogical section of the certification, providing the fees get paid directly into moodle.org. I am eager to assist the development crew to get regular streams of income. Please discuss directly with Martin about how you would like to facilitate this, and hear his plans. It will require a significant initial time commitment on his side to get this started so we should not be dismayed if there has to be a delay in deployment. In the meantime, we can make the designs.
Don
In reply to Don Hinkelman

Re: Certification for Moodle on summer holidays?

by John Rodgers -
I've been watching this discussion with some interest. I'm afraid it may have gone stale, but I hope its just on summer holidays.

There are some strong philosophical and pedagogical discussions here, and I think that's great.  I generally fall into the I'm not worthy category here, but from a purely "black box" perspective I think some kind of a program is a good idea, particularly from the standpoint of catalyzing broader Moodle adoption.  Here are a few thoughts.
  • Perhaps I'm wrong, especially from the standpoint of post secondary education, but I get the impression we have been in the early adoption phase of Moodle use.  The users here tend to be of the pioneer variety, willing to take risks and get their hands dirty.  The software has matured in new and exciting ways and I think its ready for the next stage of adoption.
  • There are plenty of people out there who aren't comfortable using technology until they  received some sort of instruction. Teachers can be a bit paradigm driven this way.
  • Teacher's colleges might find an online program a good alternative to a textbook for their teacher candidates.
  • I think it could simultaneously bring in a new group of moodle users ( an important resource) while providing an important revenue stream for Moodle development (also an important resource)
  • I would volunteer for such an endeavour, although I'm not worthy.

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Re: Certification for Moodle on summer holidays?

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hello John, and thanks for your comments

Your concern that " I'm afraid [this discussion] may have gone stale, but I hope its just on summer holidays." could not have been better timed...

By the end of this week, we will have a Certification course right here on Moodle.org to give this project a higher profile!  This is a major step in creating the certification scheme, and will form the central point of input and information.  I am currently setting up the course, and will be inviting a number of people (many of whom have posted in this forum) to join in and start moving things forward before making the course public later in the week.

I'm sure your input would be very worthy judging by your comments - and having seen the number of posts you make, in lots of different areas, it would be great to have your volunteer services in the mix smile

Stuart

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Re: Certification for Moodle on summer holidays?

by Martin Dougiamas -
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Just to make Stuart's post crystal clear to everyone, this new area on moodle.org is a place to continue the discussion in this thread, with added activities to help explore what Moodle certification would entail and how it could be administered.

It's not a certification course itself! smile
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Re: Certification for Moodle on summer holidays?

by Paul Penfold -

Hi Stuart

I found an elearning certification scheme available which is awarded by the UK Institute of IT Training, and covers 5 competency areas - tutor, trainer, developer, manager, and consultant. It may not be what we are looking for, as it is online course-based and quite expensive. However, it has a useful framework which we may want to have a look at, as it sets out identified competencies. To review go to the Training Foundation

Paul

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Re: Certification for Moodle on summer holidays?

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hi Paul
I am very familiar with this smile
I was actually the 200th member of the UK IITT some 8  / 9 years ago!  and involved in the IT Training Shows in Birmingham for some year - got to know Alan Berringer quite well...
... seems like so long ago now!
Yes, I'll have a look though... maybe its updated from it's TAP accreditation programme which I didn't rate very hightly sad  (personally)
Thanks for input Paul !
Stu

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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Josie Fraser -

Im really in favour of a certification scheme and Id be more than happy to volunteer to contribute and to trial it. Its is important in terms of how it relates to staff development resource and funding processes, and also could provide staff with well articulated professional development objectives/performance management targets.

 

Without having seen the proposed scheme Id like to chip in with a couple of requests.

 

  1. Why bother with an exam? Certification could be dependent on the production of reflexive case study (easy to share) and student evaluations.
  2. Can certification be project based, with ideas provided for various types of projects, including collaborative work? Im thinking here about the schema for the ITQ qualification which I produced for the Learning and Skills Development Agency.
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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hi Josie

Great to see your offer of support

Your two questions are both excellent - exactly the type of things I have been working through with my team here

Take a look at the Certified Moodle Tutor (CMT) draft scheme proposal at http://www.learning.ac.nz - it should go some way to answering your questions

Stuart
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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Peter Gossman -

I have been forwarded this thread by our web developer and wanted to add a few observations.

Athough certfication may be desirable for some for whatever reason, the very fact of structuring a course may remove some of the effective learning that takes place in 'just in time' mode.  It can aslo change the motivation for that learning.

A tight prescription of content creates dualistic knowledge, that is the teacher knows the 'right' answer, that the students want to learn, rather than construct for themselves. This can be overcome, to some extent, by a student defined and design project.  This idea has merit because it could also provide a moodle reference bank for people who wish to enhance their own courses. 

Further debate is about the content of a course - should it be teaching (and learning) about Moodle in a practical sense (what it does) or should it be teaching (and learning) about how to apply Moodle's features as a vehicle to facilitate blended (and hopefully enagaging) learning. The latter is more a 'teacher training' course than one about moodle.  The boundary is obviously blurred, but to my mind the latter, rather, although dependent on the former, is rather more useful.  A project, obviously based in constructing a course, that is assessed to some extent on its educational merit (difficult judgement call) would be my prefered route.  The course I have created would fail to start with!

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Re: Certification for Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hi Peter - great comments
I think most people are in agreement that a 'project' approach (in it's widest sense) is the prefered option
And bear in mind, that 'certification' does not equate to a 'course'
e.g. a certification system could be APL/RPL - no 'course' involved
I have separated out the idea of 'content and course' from certification, but it seems to be a blur for most people?
The reality is that whatever certifiaction model we finally settle on, there will always be those who do not agree with the format, delivery, aims, etc.
That's why it must remain optional smile
... certification is optional -
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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Derek Gaudet -

A very interesting notion. Having just started looking at Moodle, I don't want to rock any boats. But I feel compelled to throw my two cents in anyway...

I think that it is important to not require certification to use Moodle, and I am glad that the discussion here seems to have turned that way.

Teaching is an activity that falls under the guidance of legal bodies, local governments, national systems, accrediting bodies and so on. To presume to be able to develop a certification program that could satisfy all the governing bodies that may be involved in education around the world would be difficult to say the least. A daunting task indeed.

Martin points out that Moodle was developed with social constructivism in mind, but it is not limited to said pedagogical approach. A certification program in the educational use of Moodle would have to cover practically a full education degree.

I think offering learning opportunities to people who would like further training would be nice, but not certification...

Having said that, I have spent the last few years as an instructional designer at a large U.S. university and have developed a number of courses for professors who really need some training in teaching online. Simpy because you are a subject expert, does not mean you know how to teach. I think anyone who is going to teach online should have some training before taking on the task.

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Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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Hi Derek

Please don't feel your comments are going to 'rock the boat' - this discussion has room enough for every perspective! - and it's certainly not too late to be contributing ideas smile

Moodle certification would be similar to 'vendor' certification - e.g. the well known Microsoft MCSE which has become a global standard (and that is not a comment on how good/bad that is as a scheme!).  An interesting point about the growth of vendor specific certification, particularly in technology, is that it is often in response to 'market demands' and comes about because academia (in it's most traditional sense) cannot cope with something so fast-moving.

Any Moodle certification could be cross-credited into the vocational/academic frameworks of other accreditations where required - this may well be an area that individuals in different countries could contribute too (hint) wink

The discussion and desires of those discussing the topic here clearly leads towards a largely 'open-ended, project-based, self-directed, reflective, action-research' approach.... did I manage to cover every base there??? (lol)

Seriously, the discussion is not over, but I guess it's worth reiterating the points that 'Certification does not mean training', and 'Certifiaction is always optional'

Please continue to rock the boat wink

Stu

In reply to Eduardo Escalante

Re: Certification for Teachers in Moodle

by Stuart Mealor -
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There is now a specific course for discussing and contributing to the development of Moodle certification.
It's under Community Discussion (in English), and called, rather unimaginatively and unsurprisingly(!) Moodle Certification
Please feel free to join and help shape the future of the Certified Moodle Tutor scheme smile
We will probably move this discussion into that course, but it will remain here for the moment as a 'pointer'
Stuart