On and Off Topic in the Lounge

On and Off Topic in the Lounge

by Glenys Hanson -
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Hi Martin,

Mmm... just because a post doesn't give some practical technical/pedagogical advice directly related to Moodle doesn't mean it's not useful.

I've always appreciated the Lounge (thanks for having created it) as a free space where we can never be off topic and can air our views on anything. I think it's extremely useful.

Cheers,

Glenys

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Re: Moodle 2.x new "file" management Tools

by Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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Hi Glenys

You wrote:
> ... the Lounge (thanks for having created it) as a free space where we can never be off topic ..

Sure it can go off topic! (see screen-shot)

You can't mean we should discuss _any_ topic in the Lounge, disregarding the 85 odd forums in 'Using Moodle'!!
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Re: Moodle 2.x new "file" management Tools

by Glenys Hanson -

Hi Visvanath,

You're right to pick me up! I meant any topic that's not technical or not covered in Using Moodle or other Moodle forums.

Cheers,

Glenys

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On (and off) topics in the Lounge

by Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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Hi Glenys

Surprisingly, "anything except" kind of definitions tend to be longer than the "what belongs to" type.

OK, there is a http://docs.moodle.org/en/Policy_on_Advertising and a http://docs.moodle.org/en/Moodle.org_forums_Code_of_Conduct and also http://docs.moodle.org/en/Moodle.org_forums_help. Specifically http://docs.moodle.org/en/Moodle.org_forums_help#Bad_behavior says, "Questions and comments which are rude, incomprehensible or inappropriate in a multi cultural, world wide environment will not be tolerated. In short, be respectful."

Apart from that, how about religion and politics? Spam? Not to mention criminal organizations.

Going through all that I noticed what we are discussing has nothing to do with the 'Moodle 2.x new "file" management Tools'! I've changed the subject to 'On (and off) topics in the Lounge' which should go back to at least http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=169791#p874684, which should be split from the main thread.

It goes even further: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Moodle.org_forums_Code_of_Conduct#Disclaimer says, "If you have any comments on our code of conduct please use the talk page or post in the Moodle.org design forum http://moodle.org/mod/forum/view.php?id=7135 ." So even the (potential) new subthread has no right to be in the Lounge!
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Re: On (and off) topics in the Lounge

by Mary Cooch -
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Hi everyone - discussion duly splitsmile

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Re: On and Off Topic in the Lounge

by Martin Dougiamas -
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For sure, I was just explaining the original reason about the scale and this course. 

I don't facilitate these forums anymore smile

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Re: On and Off Topic in the Lounge

by Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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Martin

The Lounge urgently needs a moderator. This forum has been the a connection between Moodle and the world around it. Unfortunately it is abused more often than not for technical topics inside Moodle.

How about a nomination and an election process to enliven the round table? The candidates gets nominated in the first round, most important, with a link to their posts in the Lounge. Here's an example: http://moodle.org/mod/forum/search.php?id=55&user=Matt+Bury. (Hint smile

Then a self-introduction to follow. Finally the visitors vote by rating the self-intro. Let's say, all the present subscribers to the Lounge can vote, each gets 6 cards, for the 6 ratings from "Coolest thing ever" to "Not cool".

Would be fun!
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Re: On and Off Topic in the Lounge

by Mary Cooch -
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There are two facilitators in the Lounge already (and I think I have worked out that if you look after a course you must be a facilitator and if you look after a forum inside a course you must be a moderator) - myself and Frances Bell. We tend to take a back seat unless there is obvious spam or a need for splitting discussions,  as I don't think it's welcoming instantly to delete a post or reproach a user for not reading the instructions properly and asking something technical. You yourself make the point that This forum has been the  connection between Moodle and the world around it. What kind of first contact would it be if we said "Go away - you're asking the wrong question in the wrong place?" I lack confidence hugely in the Real World and for sure I'd never darken the doors of such a Lounge again if my thoughtless oversight  e got me reprimandedbig grin In the past I used to respond saying "you'll get better help in the Using Moodle forums"  but following your comments Visvanath I don't even encourage them by replying now.  But I don't feel happy about that. (Perhaps I should resign as facilitatorwink ) I see this as a temporary issue actually, because I am bearing in mind that Helen says there will be a revamp of Moodle and of the forums this year. The Lounge will be included in the main forums then and it will be much easier to move posts. I would love to be able simply to move a technical post from the Lounge to its appropriate forum but I can't do it in the way that I can do over in the Using Moodle forums (and do on a regular basis) For that reason I am holding out just for nowsmile

EDIT: Just noticed Helen was posting the same time as me!

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Re: On and Off Topic in the Lounge

by Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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Hi Helen and Mary

I'm sorry, I didn't know about the http://moodle.org/user/index.php?contextid=55&roleid=3 trick to find the moderators of forum. (Is there a similar trick for 'Using Moodle' too?)

Going through http://moodle.org/mod/forum/user.php?id=14925&course=55 and http://moodle.org/user/view.php?id=531675&course=55 one can see how much effort put into the job. The problem was that recently the OT took upper hand. Remember the discussions in "Facilitators' Corner"?

Anyway, I'll be careful not to reprimand visitors. That subject is AFAIC closed.

Just two points in passing, which in my belief fit the "social" context here.

I tend to reply to posts the way I would like to have the answer as the one who posted it. Pl. go to forum so and so is a welcome answer to me. Because a) a forum usually has a set of initial pointers in its entry page which spare me asking the obvious b) I can selectively search that forum to find out if the same problem has been reported there, helping me to find the answer to my problem without waiting. And politely getting no answer is the worst, I'm in the dark, losing valuable time. (I know, there is a technical problem in moving posts between the Lounge and 'Using Moodle' because they are two different courses. Yes, after the reorganization http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=196302 everything will be solved and forgotten.)

The second one, how easily one gets misunderstood!

Helen wrote:
> You yourself make the point that 'This forum has been the connection between Moodle and the world around it'. What kind of first contact would it be if we said ...

Yes I said that, but did not mean a "reception desk" rather thought of all the fields and subject areas which interact with Moodle, like e-learning as a whole, pedagogy, education, technology, evolutions (or revolutions) in the society, etc. In fact in that post I first had a similar enumeration which I removed. I thought it was a too obvious thing to mention talking to Martin.
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Re: On and Off Topic in the Lounge

by Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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Here http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=201376 is a classical case where I would have given a "reprimanding" answer by just quoting these two links:
- http://docs.moodle.org/en/Installation_Guide_for_Installing_on_Amazon_EC2
- "Moodle on Amazon Web Services" http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=177936

May be as a bonus:
- "Advice required for hosting with AWS" http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=199344

Somebody might want to provide that information in a more polite manner.
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Re: On and Off Topic in the Lounge

by Derek Chirnside -

Hmm.  I'd rather we focused on a bit more high level conversations.  ie Don't sweat the small stuff.

Visvanath, in every online forum I am in there are occassional gusts of off topic behaviour, spamming, FUD, trolling and a steady low level "noise" and I just live with it.  And do my best to not be a cause.  Sometimes I succeed. 

I vividly remember in the Clarion forums in the mid 1990's, in my first month as a member, an irritated guy threatening to set up his muscley servers to spam the list into submission if he didn't get his way. 

And the political flame wars that simmer as people ask "is educational politics appropriate in a Physics teaching list?" in PHYS-L and PHYS-LNR.  Both these lists have survived over a decade.  I know where to find the delete button.  wink

Things are quite nice most of the time here.

My 2c worth:

  • I favour the facilitating light touch we have.  (And thanks moderators!!)
  • Maybe helpful to use more splitting and moving as appropriate - to satisfy my tidy mind, and manage key conversations.
  • Continually re-jig the forum description and posting information for those who don't read.  Won't help, but it may make us feel better.
  • as I said, "Don't sweat the small stuff"
  • And my hobbyhorse: roll on a better forum.  I'd love it if we had ForumNG here on Moodle.org.

In my lighter moments I'd like to rate some posts as FUD, Cool, Me To, Just Chill, RTFM, Try Google, Waste of electrons, Very cool, +1, Spam, Tro-o-ll or Ha Ha.

 

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Re: On and Off Topic in the Lounge

by Matt Bury -
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Hi Derek,

I'd love to see those rating options on some public forums.

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Re: On and Off Topic in the Lounge

by Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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Hi Derek

The light touch, that is it!

And here is a fitting quote, from the Prologue to Alice:

Lay it where Childhoood's dreams are twined
    In Memory's mystic band, 
Like pilgrim's wither'd wreath of flowers
    Pluck'd in a far-off land.
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