The future of the community [etc]

The future of the community [etc]

by Timothy Takemoto -
Number of replies: 7

I am, first of all, stunned by the quality of this software and by the potential it has to help
my institution.

I have been at the recieving end of a lot of extremely helpful advice from our benefactor.

It may be the case that everyone is happy with the way in which this support forum is
working and that there is little room for improvement. Additionally it may also be the
case that systems are in the pipeline for improving the moodle community.

I am wondering if there are ways in which we, with Martin's help, can organise, or be
organised, in such a way that we can reduce Martin's workload, and help each other,
by cooperating to the fullest extent.

I will post again to this topic. But as a start, just to see if there is any future in this debate...



 

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Re: The future of the community: The main contributors and supporters, their roles, ways to become involved, and ways to facilitate coordinated cooperation

by Timothy Takemoto -

The reason why I raise this question is firstly because I see moodle as being of immense
benifit to our educational institutions.

The age when a group of people ("students") sit around in rooms listening to a person
("a teacher") speak must surely be coming to an end. It is now possible, with the aid
of this system, to arrange for students to receive a transcript of our "lectures" (in document,
power point presentation, audio and even video forms), to assess the access to such
materials and more importantly to the subsequent discussion of these materials both
inside and outside of class. Armed with a tool such as this, MOODLE, we can bring about
a revolution in form and meaning of education, make education available to a much
wider audience, increase learner participation, increase the quality of education measured
in (new) terms of the reduction of the gap between the learner and the "learned." Not
meaning to sound overblown, we stand at the door to a new era, redefining what it is
to learn and to teach. (Yeah!) And largely thanks to the efforts, in our case, of one man:
Martin Dougiamas.

More specifically, there are over a thousand educators at my institution alone that could be
benefitting from the use of this system. There are a innumerable ways in which these
educators alone could, through cooperating in MOODLE course development and in
educating each other in the use of this system, advance the education that we provide
in equally innumerable ways. And that is only at one institution. There are tens or hundreds
of institutions that are and will become involved in participating in what could be a global
MOODLE revolution! The exclamation mark is for emphasis - I am kidding no one here.

More specifically and prosaically, I would like to consider the ways in which which we
might facilitate our cooperation since that is really going to be the deciding factor in the
the progress of the revolution that we are participatining. The following suggestions are
really about knitty gritty. But all the same, facilitating cooperation is so moot....down to
the details.

1) Who are the people that are experts already? By reading through all the posts one
can get an idea but is there any way that this can become clearer? Would anyone like
to nominate the experts, and in what fields?

2) Are there ways in which experts might be ranked, through the use of mutual grading,
the number of posts, to specific forums, that might give and indication to learners here,
and an incentive to experts here?

3) Would it be beneficial to Martin, to assign roles, to create or allow for the systematic
creation of "administrators" - perhaps as simple as people who have posted more than
X times, people that have successfully answered user questions. And then, or otherwise,
to encourage and invite such members to recieve enquiries from multiple topics on
multiple forums, in such a way as to increase such members expertise, kudos, and our
benefit from their knowledge. By the way I use the word "kudos" thinking of the systems
in place at
http://www.proz.com/
and affiliate sites.

4) Are the categories of forums here representative of the categories of questions? Is there
a demand for new categories? New forums?

5) Do participants know of other communities from which we can learn? I am thinking of
that supporting (the much less revolutionary weblog software) movable type
http://www.movabletype.org/support/

6) All in all and in sum, what can we do to contribute, while protecting Martin's position?
(I will be getting out my credit card...of course!)

With due respect to the wonderful MOODLE community, in the hope that it grows and
grows.

Tim
Timothy Takemoto
Yamaguchi

 

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Re: The future of the community: The main contributors and supporters, their roles, ways to become involved, and ways to facilitate coordinated cooperation

by Mark Berthelemy -
Hi Timothy et al,

It sounds like you're thinking of something like the experts-exchange (http://www.experts-exchange.com/)

It works among developers - would it work amongst "educationalists"?

Yours,

Mark
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Re: The future of the community: The main contributors and supporters, their roles, ways to become involved, and ways to facilitate coordinated cooperation

by Timothy Takemoto -

Hello Mark,

That's right! When I said "Proz.com" and its affiliates the affiliate I was thinking of was
experts-exchange which uses the same software among IT experts as opposed to
translators and interpreters (proz.com). Over one spring holiday, in the gaps between
doing research, I got addicted to the latter once, and I am an educationalist, so I guess
there is a chance. In general the idea of participant graded performance being rewarded 
is perhaps part of the ethos of Moodle too. And apparently something *vaguely* along
the line of "Browniz" nad/or "Kudoz" is in the pipeline. 
(For an explanation of the latter two terms)
http://www.proz.com/?sp=faq#browniz
http://www.proz.com/?sp=faq#kudoz

But I guess that there are lots of ways that exchnage can be encouraged. The moveable
type forum is reallly functioning well. Moveable Type is only a weblog and is less complex
that moodle but since it fulfills a more mundane roll, there is a very large and very active
support community (upon which the original software writers hardly ever need to publish).
http://www.movabletype.org/support/index.php
(as quoted above). The blue crosses by the side of people's names in this forum, together
with an immediately visible record of the number of posts that they have made, represents
a sort of "Browniz/Kudoz" system. 

There is also a seperate and separate contributed software (plugins) development site at
http://mt-plugins.org/
This has a sort of Kudoz/Browniz system in place in that it records the number of downloads
of any particular piece of software.

I see that on some of these forums there is already a "rate this post" box. I look forward
to application of cooperative learning/cooperative grading techniques on this forum. In
meantime, any nominations/gradings (only the A grades please) for the experts of the Moodle
community?

Relatedly, an article on cooperative learning in schools.
http://webtools.cityu.edu.hk/news/newslett/interschool.htm

I am trying to learn how to do PHP...I am sorry now about the length of the title to this post.

Tim

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Re: The future of the community: The main contributors and supporters, their roles, ways to become involved, and ways to facilitate coordinated cooperation

by Bob Calder -
IMHO Martin has already learned from the sourceforge community.
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Re: The future of the community etc

by Martin Dougiamas -
Picture of Core developers Picture of Documentation writers Picture of Moodle HQ Picture of Particularly helpful Moodlers Picture of Plugin developers Picture of Testers
Thanks for your enthusiasm and your thoughts, Timothy, and I look forward to seeing more from you and others on this topic.

As I mentioned to you in email, I do already have some advanced plans for a more structured support system on moodle.com that includes incentives for people to help with Moodle development in different ways, which includes providing a certain amount of support on moodle.org. The tracker will be integrated here to provide more structure to support queries. I even have plans for "tags" that could be used to identify certain people among the forums. As such, I think the future is taken care of in this respect. And to be quite frank, providing paid support is looking like the only way I can make a living while working on Moodle (donations are rare indeed).

With some of your other suggestions, though, I think you are trying to solve a support problem that doesn't actually exist. Perhaps, rather than a top-down control approach of radical change, you could try a bottom-up researcher's approach: use the forums as they are meant to be used and see how it works. If you see a specific improvement that could be made (eg a new forum), let me know - this place is always evolving slowly.

Note also that anyone can moderate anything if they want to. I could start talking here about my ideas on complexity theory and self-organising systems but I'll save that for the thesis!
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Re: The future of the community etc

by Timothy Takemoto -

I don't think we have a support "problem" exactly but I think we should have a lofty support (read "education") goal. This is a forum of educators, so I guess we should have very high educational goals. But perhaps the "problem" is all only in my head?

Looking at it psychologically, perhaps I am sort of like my students, struck dumb by the presence of "sensei", the master, that is so mighty, to whom I am so much in debt, as to make my comment feel awfully ignorant.

Above, for instance the master has suggested, very politely, that there is really not much of a problem and I find myself struck dumb, thinking "The master must be right!" Similary since I know that Martin-sama (suffix added to Japanese gods) is omniscient, in an attempt to avoid disturbing and conceal my foolishness, I find my self reticent to post.

So all I need to do really is get over my fears and foibles? Perhaps.

In any event I believe that what will decide the success of Moodle, and whether "to moodle" becomes a household verb like "to blog", may depend on the success of this forum as much as the mighty performance of the software. In a few years time I would hate to hear people
saying "Moodle? It was Loncapperred."

> If you see a specific improvement that could be made (eg a new forum),
> let me know - this place is always evolving slowly.
> Note also that anyone can moderate anything if they want to

Being specific then, I would be interested in another couple of forums perhaps with sub forums

1) A Japanese language forum. I would be happy to provide a Japanese intro.

2) Content Forums, perhaps even a content website, with subforms for different subjects.
I recon that other people in my field (ESL in Japan) might be able to use my materials and I theirs.  I am thinking of good thematic quizzes with answers commented in Japanese, for example. Perhaps under a different course called "Exchanging Content"? No - not in a different course. I think that the entrance to forums at least should be in one place.

3) The inter-learner rating possibilities are a really great idea and already implementable idea (it would seem) that I would love to on more forums. They are on some (with a rather unique "connected, separate" scale). Perhaps a scale like Amazon uses on its reviewers "was this post interesting or useful to you". 

If I think of anything else I will let you know.

> Bob Calder. I am afraid I do not understand the workings of Source Forge net. It have looked in the various folders where I see cryptic messages about files of unknown code. How is it going? How has it been implemented here?

Timothy

Ps To overcome my fears and foibles I may also make judicious and sincere use of "MFFITOP" (Martin, Feel Free to Ignore this One, Please), which though unsaid, applies of course in every case.

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Re: The future of the community etc

by Martin Dougiamas -
Picture of Core developers Picture of Documentation writers Picture of Moodle HQ Picture of Particularly helpful Moodlers Picture of Plugin developers Picture of Testers
Hi, Tim.

Sorry if I give that impression ... if you met me in person you'd find I'm actually a fairly easy-going fellow who jokes a lot. smile I may come across differently in text here sometimes because of a combination of

a) having spent more than three years here thinking about this stuff
b) always doing three things at once
c) trying to write concisely
d) posting a lot of messages everywhere

In any case, I *do* appreciate these posts, it's making me think about a few things. I totally agree that this community is extremely important. I just disagree that the Movable Type model is necessarily the best one - though I understand how it might feel coming from there to here.

Japanese forum is up: http://moodle.org/mod/forum/view.php?id=448

This may be useful: http://moodle.org/mod/resource/view.php?id=17

If it saves you some typing you can just assume I am free to ignore posts .. wink