Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces
Well.. Let me throw the first stone.
Personally, I like tabbed interfaces.. They are intuitive, easy to follow and well organized.
Forget the colors.. They are there only to show well the nested tabbed table.
Perhaps this design could be extrapolated to the user view also.
Regards,
Will
Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces
I'm a bit rushed for time ... I can only suggest having a separate save button, and keeping interim changes in the session (like the quiz does).
(Just a little technical point - can I suggest hosting the page on a server local to you and just linking to it...? That way you can have a multi-page 'working' demo and update it anytime. If you need FTP space let me know!)
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Guilty, guilty... Sorry for that.. You already said so... I just forget it from the time I read it to when I actually posted the message... Yes, I'll post links only and nevermind the FTP space.. Thanks!
Will
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I like it,, simple, clean and easy to follow. I think that we should put a header into each area with a disctiption of what should go in the text editor. Maybe a simple example as well.
For final product I think we should have
-Upload a File
-Summit a Report
-Summit a Web Page
-Hand in to your teacher. This would be just a disctiption of what they should do with there final product.
As for the projects themselves. I think it should be Group or Work Offline.
I appreciate your enthusiasm. Seems like you've got a great community here.
One thing I would caution you on is that I think a page like this:
http://teachers.teach-nology.com/web_tools/web_quest/
Is not so helpful. I would direct your attention to an earlier link Martin posted about the WebQuest design process. Like most processes (e.g., the writing process), the WQ design process is not linear and presenting it to to teachers in this way usually gets them off on the wrong foot. I like the tabs and that will help, but at least review this page and those linked to it:
http://ozline.com/webquests/design.html
WQs are a scaffolded process that help teachers move further into constructivist, student-centred learning. When we simply leave blank text areas like the linked example above, then teachers tend to carry their old, teacher-centred practices with them.
I'm not sure you all want to hear this, but the major trend right now is to support development of "real" WebQuests. Less than 25% of those listed on the WebQuest portal are true WebQuests (Bernie openly admits to me in private). So just going with 8 year old headings (Intro, Task, Process, Conclusion - evaluation) isn't a new contribution to the field. A lot of people will like it and use it, but it won't advance what students do in the classroom.
I don't know. See what you think.
All the best,
Tom --
Tom,
I understand what youre saying. We are trying to build an interface to support teachers who wish to build a WQ and do not want to learn how to make web pages, along with uploading and understanding how to publish a web page. Moodle provides an excellent tool for this. The content of the WQ moodle will not have control over. So I ask, what is your suggestions for content areas. The basics as it seems is to lay out the page in a way that is easy to follow for the student and also provide content freedom to the teacher. With this we will need headers or markers if you will so the teacher will be able to easily identify what content needs to go where. I have looked over your site and I see the difference in a WQ and a Non WQ, but how can the tool control this. If we are not flexible in our design then it will not have a creative freedom that this type of tool needs.
Your suggestions is greatly needed as we dive deeper into this.
I agree with part of it, however, I think that the interface could guide the teacher to create high quality WQ... Thus, the second link makes me notice that I forgot to include something that proved to be important in the "process" tab: The background tab between the "description" and "roles" one.
In order to guide and engage teachers to create good (or better) webquests, I have a couple of thoughts:
- It could have key links in strategic targeted areas of the interface (I don't know if I make myself clear on this one, sorry..). It certainly does not have control over content, but it's a bit more pro-active.
- Perhaps the WQ module could have a post-implementation self-evaluation process... A teacher only process.
Thus... The more I read on WQ the more I get convinced that the WQ module should have its own "resource" library and that that resources should be almost as flexible as the very resource module of moodle.
All the best,
Will
EDIT: I think that if we keep the discussions organized, the whole process could be more efficient. I invite you to use this thread to discuss only possible interfaces and the other thread (designing process I think), to that matter... Cheers!
Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces
I think the basic structure using tabs is a good way to indicate the overall "flow" of a web quest, without restricting the teacher to a working in that same linear fashion - they can obviously jump about as they please.
There has to be some balance between providing an interface that is 100% flexible (we have that already!) and something that helps most teachers create fairly good WebQuests quickly.
What we obviously need (and Will's interface refers to) is a lot more stuff occurring under each tab (than just a text-entry field).
Two ideas that occur to me (for each section) are:
- a comprehensive set of templates/examples
- a wizard that guides the teacher through decisions
These could work together, so that (and this is just an idea off the top of my head), a teacher gets to a section, sees blank boxes and a button called "Think about this", which leads to a series of very short screens with explanations and choices to make. At the end, the wizard might prefill the text box with an example for further editing.
Does that strike a chord with anyone?
Martin's ideas for supporting the process sound good to me. The WQ you point to by Jackie Zervos was done in Web-and-Flow. I have to be a little careful as that is not only my software, but also my version (which has evolved since Bernie's 1995 "Some Thoughts About WebQuests" (as Bernie's own thinking has evolved with "Design Patterns" and a "Taskonomy"). I'm okay with Moodle using the headings I've come up with as I find they guide people toward creating better WebQuests, however, I would like a plug or link or citation or something so at least I can point to it and people know you're doing this with my best wishes.
How does this sound?
Tom --
Credits to you and Bernie are definitely in order whether or not we end up using particular headings, even just for the "WebQuest" concept and name. I hope this module will be something you can feel proud to have associated with your work.
But I do like your headings!
Sure, of course... Remember that I have a smaller picture of Moodle... You know exactly where all paths are going.
Will
Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces
Let's push this thread a bit...
I've been reviewing several WQs and I've found that many of them have the resources categorized by roles... This should be a rule or there should be no distinction at all?
Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces
I think that roles in WQ are directly connected with groups in them. I'm not sure if we should "create" a group support inside WQ module or wait for incomming Moodle groups to use them.
Is Moodle's group implementation going to support mutiples groups per user, is it going to support sub-groups, is it going to be applicable to any activity in some standar manner ?
I think that the answers to this questions could help to resolve where to implement a particular groups solution in WQ or use Moodle's one. Because, anyway, I think that WQ activities *must* support groups (by definition of WQ), isn't it ?
Any idea ?
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Can someone give me a good example of a webquest with role differentiation?
(I know a Finish product DLE (in ZOPE) that does roles.)
Nice in their interface is that they have role assignment and that the border of the window takes the color of the role you are supposted to play that day.)
On ozline.com you can choose the menu-items you wish to see:
- could we design a Webquest startpage where students can checkmarks the ("professional") roles they want to work on (I like: http://webquest.sdsu.edu/taskonomy.html),
- get the rubrics sheet for these roles and will be invited to play on of these roles on a given day?
- and use peerevaluation with these taskrole-rubrics?
- (develop your rubrics at Rubistar, but would be nice to have it in Moodle as a placeholder for the scales: http://rubistar.4teachers.org/index.shtml)
Hi Ger,
I think you mean FLE (Future Learning Environment). It has several role-based progressive enquiry approaches (symbolised by coloured hats, etc.).
Rgrds,
Paul.
The Finish product what you mean is FLE3 , not DLE, and it works in ZOPE.
..lasse..
Yes, you are right
They shifted a little in their approach, but I still like that simple "color the border of the screen just to indicate the task.."
And then this screen: "hang your results in your knowledge-tree.."
(first step to portfolio?.... even better possible with Will's bookmarks in Moodle?)"
I looked at ZOPE - especially PLONE - and FLE3, until I found Martin's Moodle.
Moodle is now fulfilling more and more the wishes for our 10 schools.
I like the WebQuest concept and here is my idea of what it could look like! Hope this gets this discussion going again.
Looks good, I think we will need a few more tabs but it is a great start. Lets see what the rest say.
Further thoughts on what an interface might look like to create the WebQuest activity.
Bryan,
I dont think we need the URL Destinations portion, the editor has this built in. I think building the webquest modularly like you had with the tabs would be user friendly. I will see if I can come up with some design ideas too.
http://www.goohio.com/wq
- so they could be indexed in the table and reused by anyone with basic browser skills needing to create a WebQuest resource within limited time. I had even thought of a description field for each URL field, thereby creating a WebQuest library of links with rich descriptions that can be mined for many purposes.
- to track student activity without say actually adding something intrusive (spyware) that does this.

I understand what your saying now. But in the editor there is a link tool for creating web links. As someone who has been creating webquests in moodle already, I can tell you that keeping this simple is our best bet. I dont think that many would reuse resource links and I am not sure if that would not be a waste of database storage to store the entire web links in a table for later use. Then again, just kicking things around... Yes Will or another programmer may have a different take on all this.
Understand about using html editor to embed links. This would of course be the easiest way to go in terms of the lowest common denominator user. I just thought having the ability to re-use a WebQuest and the import feature would be handy. People that are really in to creating cool WebQuests could easily share with other Moodle course creators.
Did you get a chance to review some of Will's comments from a few months back when he brought up significant concept issues? Hope he hasn't lost interest.
Thanks for keeping me in mind. I hasn't lost the interest, not a bit... I would love to implement this module, unfortunelly, I am almost out of spare time from now to a few months ahead so I won't be of much help to this wonderful community as I would like.
However... Some steps were given in the past. Eloy and me worked on what could be a database design for this module... I think this is the second most important part of any module after the conceptual design. I see (in fact, I think), that we are discussing things that are already worked out on that DB design so perhaps we should focus our efforts in planning/designing other things that are still dark...
Overall, I think that even that db design could be a good starting point to anyone willing and able to begin the coding.
Sorry for can't be more helpful,
Will
Familiar points on such a graphical interface, such as a concept map, tend to become familiar and as such, easier to learn, if main points are common to all webquests, much as pull down menu elements tend to become familiar from web page to web page.
What do you think about using a concept map as an interface?
At the moment I use different parts of moodle and other cms-modules to do my kind of Webquest, although I do not know, wether this still can be called a Webquest in the usual way.
I think especially in the parts process, evaluation and resources moodle could offer perfect tools besides the normal textareas.
I expand process to the students. The groups have a blog where they write in their workprocess, can show parts of their group plans or meantime results. The Advantage: everyone else from the class can comment. Since I do this, the quality of work increased and students can help each other. My wish for a rather free webquest wuld be a kind of blog and for a more guided Webquest would be a kind of process table. Each time showing the step to do at first, then a kind of blog area, where the students can show their process, then the next step in process and another blog field.
What I cannot do at the moment because of the lack of knowledge in writing such things: A special evaluation tool when the students load up their work. I would like to see a kind of table with my guidelines I expected in the first column, in the next column at first the members of the group itself evaluate their work, then in the next column the rest of the class and at last I put in my comments/results.
In the part resources and introduction it should be possible to show all things moodle can do at the moment, eg streaming videos, mathematic notation and so on.
Sorry for my really bad English. At the moment I'm speaking Italian (ok, at least I try
Greetings
Susanne
Ray's workshop module (now being revised) allows students to assess their peers on criteria provided by a teacher.
Nothing wrong with your Italian influenced German English
Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces
Hello. I write you from Peru. I am student of education Primary. This Year i will finish.
Sorry, but i don´t speak English very well yet.
I was looking for new modules so found this forum.
I am making a denominated investigation "Effectiveness of moodle in the construction of learnings in the area Science and atmosphere" (ciencia y ambiente) so it will work under strategy WEBQUEST.
I was thinking about using the forum, resources, and tasks for it, is to say one combinacion of the previous ones.
But as already I said it previously, found this forum, and would like to contribute to with ideas. The Link connection is an idea of possible interfas to use. Although i wrote it in Spanish.
Another day will explain the reasons for which I did it, is to say details. now I must go to house, my parents traveled and leaves the house single. Ciao.
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Now if the user is an student, in the conclusion topic will appear a html edit and a section to upload a file and a send button to post the student's conclusion.
In the left section will appear th configuration options, scales, activities grades, and others...
Sorry for me english.
Regards Dariem Garces Urquiza (Holguin, Cuba).
darien.garces@facinf.uho.edu.cu