Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Martin Dougiamas در
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This discussion is for posting "mock" interfaces (HTML-only) for a new WebQuest module, and discussing them.
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In reply to Martin Dougiamas

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Williams Castillo در

Well.. Let me throw the first stone.

Personally, I like tabbed interfaces.. They are intuitive, easy to follow and well organized.

Forget the colors.. They are there only to show well the nested tabbed table.

Perhaps this design could be extrapolated to the user view also.

Regards,
Will

In reply to Williams Castillo

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Martin Dougiamas در
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Really excellent start! (Reminds me to put those tabbing functions in lib/weblib.php!)

I'm a bit rushed for time ... I can only suggest having a separate save button, and keeping interim changes in the session (like the quiz does).

(Just a little technical point - can I suggest hosting the page on a server local to you and just linking to it...? That way you can have a multi-page 'working' demo and update it anytime. If you need FTP space let me know!)
In reply to Martin Dougiamas

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Williams Castillo در

Guilty, guilty... Sorry for that.. You already said so... I just forget it from the time I read it to when I actually posted the message... Yes, I'll post links only and nevermind the FTP space.. Thanks!

Will

In reply to Williams Castillo

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Floyd Collins در

I like it,, simple, clean and easy to follow. I think that we should put a header into each area with a disctiption of what should go in the text editor. Maybe a simple example as well.

For final product I think we should have

-Upload a File
-Summit a Report
-Summit a Web Page
-Hand in to your teacher. This would be just a disctiption of what they should do with there final product.

As for the projects themselves. I think it should be Group or Work Offline.

In reply to Martin Dougiamas

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Tom March در
hi All,

I appreciate your enthusiasm. Seems like you've got a great community here.

One thing I would caution you on is that I think a page like this:

http://teachers.teach-nology.com/web_tools/web_quest/

Is not so helpful. I would direct your attention to an earlier link Martin posted about the WebQuest design process. Like most processes (e.g., the writing process), the WQ design process is not linear and presenting it to to teachers in this way usually gets them off on the wrong foot. I like the tabs and that will help, but at least review this page and those linked to it:

http://ozline.com/webquests/design.html

WQs are a scaffolded process that help teachers move further into constructivist, student-centred learning. When we simply leave blank text areas like the linked example above, then teachers tend to carry their old, teacher-centred practices with them.

I'm not sure you all want to hear this, but the major trend right now is to support development of "real" WebQuests. Less than 25% of those listed on the WebQuest portal are true WebQuests (Bernie openly admits to me in private). So just going with 8 year old headings (Intro, Task, Process, Conclusion - evaluation) isn't a new contribution to the field. A lot of people will like it and use it, but it won't advance what students do in the classroom.

I don't know. See what you think.

All the best,

Tom --
In reply to Tom March

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Floyd Collins در

Tom,

I understand what youre saying. We are trying to build an interface to support teachers who wish to build a WQ and do not want to learn how to make web pages, along with uploading and understanding how to publish a web page. Moodle provides an excellent tool for this. The content of the WQ moodle will not have control over. So I ask, what is your suggestions for content areas. The basics as it seems is to lay out the page in a way that is easy to follow for the student and also provide content freedom to the teacher. With this we will need headers or markers if you will so the teacher will be able to easily identify what content needs to go where. I have looked over your site and I see the difference in a WQ and a Non WQ, but how can the tool control this. If we are not flexible in our design then it will not have a creative freedom that this type of tool needs.

 

Your suggestions is greatly needed as we dive deeper into this.

In reply to Floyd Collins

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Williams Castillo در

I agree with part of it, however, I think that the interface could guide the teacher to create high quality WQ... Thus, the second link makes me notice that I forgot to include something that proved to be important in the "process" tab: The background tab between the "description" and "roles" one.

In order to guide and engage teachers to create good (or better) webquests, I have a couple of thoughts:

  • It could have key links in strategic targeted areas of the interface (I don't know if I make myself clear on this one, sorry..). It certainly does not have control over content, but it's a bit more pro-active.
  • Perhaps the WQ module could have a post-implementation self-evaluation process... A teacher only process.

Thus... The more I read on WQ the more I get convinced that the WQ module should have its own "resource" library and that that resources should be almost as flexible as the very resource module of moodle.

All the best,
Will

EDIT: I think that if we keep the discussions organized, the whole process could be more efficient. I invite you to use this thread to discuss only possible interfaces and the other thread (designing process I think), to that matter... Cheers!

In reply to Williams Castillo

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Martin Dougiamas در
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It's all interfaces at this stage, really. لبخند

I think the basic structure using tabs is a good way to indicate the overall "flow" of a web quest, without restricting the teacher to a working in that same linear fashion - they can obviously jump about as they please.

There has to be some balance between providing an interface that is 100% flexible (we have that already!) and something that helps most teachers create fairly good WebQuests quickly.

What we obviously need (and Will's interface refers to) is a lot more stuff occurring under each tab (than just a text-entry field).

Two ideas that occur to me (for each section) are:

- a comprehensive set of templates/examples
- a wizard that guides the teacher through decisions

These could work together, so that (and this is just an idea off the top of my head), a teacher gets to a section, sees blank boxes and a button called "Think about this", which leads to a series of very short screens with explanations and choices to make. At the end, the wizard might prefill the text box with an example for further editing.

Does that strike a chord with anyone?
In reply to Martin Dougiamas

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Tom March در
Hello All,

Martin's ideas for supporting the process sound good to me. The WQ you point to by Jackie Zervos was done in Web-and-Flow. I have to be a little careful as that is not only my software, but also my version (which has evolved since Bernie's 1995 "Some Thoughts About WebQuests" (as Bernie's own thinking has evolved with "Design Patterns" and a "Taskonomy"). I'm okay with Moodle using the headings I've come up with as I find they guide people toward creating better WebQuests, however, I would like a plug or link or citation or something so at least I can point to it and people know you're doing this with my best wishes.

How does this sound?

Tom --
In reply to Tom March

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Martin Dougiamas در
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Sorry, Tom - I more or less chose that page at random from bestwebquests ... my intention was just to show that any web page (including existing WebQuests) could easily be made to appear within a Moodle course simply by using Moodle's Resource module, and thus a HTML editor is the ultimately flexible WebQuest-creation tool when used by a skilled person. I guess I'm trying to push the focus of this module onto the teacher's experience, especially a teacher who is unfamiliar with WebQuests, by simplifying the possibilities to a narrower range at first, possibly expanding them later.

Credits to you and Bernie are definitely in order whether or not we end up using particular headings, even just for the "WebQuest" concept and name. I hope this module will be something you can feel proud to have associated with your work.

But I do like your headings! لبخند
In reply to Williams Castillo

Re: Possible interfaces (resources)

از Martin Dougiamas در
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I suggest holding off on complex resource management for now, Will, because I think the upcoming "digital library" will provide these features consistently across Moodle.
In reply to Martin Dougiamas

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Williams Castillo در

Let's push this thread a bit...

I've been reviewing several WQs and I've found that many of them have the resources categorized by roles... This should be a rule or there should be no distinction at all?

 

In reply to Williams Castillo

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) در
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Hi Will.

I think that roles in WQ are directly connected with groups in them. I'm not sure if we should "create" a group support inside WQ module or wait for incomming Moodle groups to use them.

Is Moodle's group implementation going to support mutiples groups per user, is it going to support sub-groups, is it going to be applicable to any activity in some standar manner ?

I think that the answers to this questions could help to resolve where to implement a particular groups solution in WQ or use Moodle's one. Because, anyway, I think that WQ activities *must* support groups (by definition of WQ), isn't it ?

Any idea ?

In reply to Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Ger Tielemans در

Can someone give me a good example of a webquest with role differentiation?

(I know a Finish product DLE (in ZOPE) that does roles.)

Nice in their interface is that they have role assignment and that the border of the window takes the color of the role you are supposted to play that day.)

In reply to Ger Tielemans

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Ger Tielemans در

On ozline.com you can choose the menu-items you wish to see:

  • could we design a Webquest startpage where students can checkmarks the ("professional") roles they want to work on (I like: http://webquest.sdsu.edu/taskonomy.html),
  • get the rubrics sheet for these roles and will be invited to play on of these roles on a given day?
  • and use peerevaluation with these taskrole-rubrics?
  • (develop your rubrics at Rubistar, but would be nice to have it in Moodle as a placeholder for the scales: http://rubistar.4teachers.org/index.shtml)
In reply to Ger Tielemans

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Floyd Collins در
I think there is a lot to be said for simplicity. If we make the interface to complex non technical teachers will not use it. So the KISS method is a must here I think. Lets keep this thing flexable, if a teacher wants to allow there students to pick rolls then that should be part of the WQ I feel.
In reply to Floyd Collins

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Ger Tielemans در
Roles in a simple way: describe the roles and connect a color to each role. Then build in the interface a way to show the border in that color and a popup-button to remind the student to his role: assign the roles at random, by teacher-choice or by student-choice: " I want to work on my skills in the role of..."  (keep records of the attributions of the students and the color during that attribution and give the student role-feedback.... (idea from DLE/ZOPE)
In reply to Ger Tielemans

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Paul Nijbakker در

Hi Ger,

I think you mean FLE (Future Learning Environment). It has several role-based progressive enquiry approaches (symbolised by coloured hats, etc.).

Rgrds,

Paul.

In reply to Ger Tielemans

Vast: Re: Possible interfaces

از lasse utti در
Hi Ger.

The Finish product what you mean is FLE3  , not DLE, and it works in ZOPE.

..lasse..
In reply to lasse utti

Re: Vast: Re: Possible interfaces

از Ger Tielemans در

Yes, you are right blush 

They shifted a little in their approach, but I still like that simple "color the border of the screen just to indicate the task.."

And then this screen: "hang your results in your knowledge-tree.."

(first step to portfolio?.... even better possible with Will's bookmarks in Moodle?)"

I looked at ZOPE - especially PLONE  - and FLE3, until I found Martin's Moodle.

Moodle is now fulfilling more and more the wishes for our 10 schools.

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In reply to Martin Dougiamas

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Bryan Williams در

I like the WebQuest concept and here is my idea of what it could look like!  Hope this gets this discussion going again.

http://www.remote-learner.net/images/webquest.htm

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Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Floyd Collins در
Bryan
Looks good, I think we will need a few more tabs but it is a great start. Lets see what the rest say.
In reply to Floyd Collins

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Bryan Williams در
What would you suggest needs to be included?  How about a tab that gives teacher real-time report on what's going on (eg. which URL links have been activated by each student)?  Maybe a tab that more clearly defines roles, if that is the nature of the WebQuest.   smile
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Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Bryan Williams در

Further thoughts on what an interface might look like to create the WebQuest activity.

http://www.remote-learner.net/images/webquest1.htm

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Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Floyd Collins در

Bryan,

I dont think we need the URL Destinations portion, the editor has this built in. I think building the webquest modularly like you had with the tabs would be user friendly. I will see if I can come up with some design ideas too.

In reply to Floyd Collins

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Bryan Williams در
Screenshot 2 depicts what the teacher would access if they selected the WebQuest module from the Add drop-down menu during course creation, and is not connected with screenshot 1. This is the resource creation interface. I elected against using the html editor because you cannot readily import (or index) an external resouce into the html editor, whereas all fields depicted in screenshot 2 will populate with table data if called. I added the URL fields for a few reasons:
  • so they could be indexed in the table and reused by anyone with basic browser skills needing to create a WebQuest resource within limited time. I had even thought of a description field for each URL field, thereby creating a WebQuest library of links with rich descriptions that can be mined for many purposes.
  • to track student activity without say actually adding something intrusive (spyware) that does this.
Would be great if a PHP programmer (hey Will) would jump in to this discussion. wide eyes
In reply to Bryan Williams

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Floyd Collins در

I understand what your saying now. But in the editor there is a link tool for creating web links. As someone who has been creating webquests in moodle already, I can tell you that keeping this simple is our best bet. I dont think that many would reuse resource links and I am not sure if that would not be a waste of database storage to store the entire web links in a table for later use. Then again, just kicking things around... Yes Will or another programmer may have a different take on all this. 

In reply to Floyd Collins

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Bryan Williams در

Understand about using html editor to embed links.  This would of course be the easiest way to go in terms of the lowest common denominator user.  I just thought having the ability to re-use a WebQuest and the import feature would be handy.  People that are really in to creating cool WebQuests could easily share with other Moodle course creators.

Did you get a chance to review some of Will's comments from a few months back when he brought up significant concept issues?  Hope he hasn't lost interest.

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Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Williams Castillo در
Hi Bryan, Floyd,

Thanks for keeping me in mind. I hasn't lost the interest, not a bit... I would love to implement this module, unfortunelly, I am almost out of spare time from now to a few months ahead so I won't be of much help to this wonderful community as I would like.

However... Some steps were given in the past. Eloy and me worked on what could be a database design for this module... I think this is the second most important part of any module after the conceptual design. I see (in fact, I think), that we are discussing things that are already worked out on that DB design so perhaps we should focus our efforts in planning/designing other things that are still dark...

Overall, I think that even that db design could be a good starting point to anyone willing and able to begin the coding.

Sorry for can't be more helpful,
Will
In reply to Martin Dougiamas

Possible interfaces

از Ken Spell در
Would like to see something more graphical, such as a concept map, in which each of the points could serve as a graphical link. As I recollect my HTML, all this can be done in HTML.

Familiar points on such a graphical interface, such as a concept map, tend to become familiar and as such, easier to learn, if main points are common to all webquests, much as pull down menu elements tend to become familiar from web page to web page.

What do you think about using a concept map as an interface?
In reply to Martin Dougiamas

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از S. Fieler در
First of all, I saw an indroduction of Webquest about two years ago and I really liked the idea behind it. When I started my laptop-class at school I thought of Webquests, too. I think a one to one realisation of the normal Webquests won't show all possibilities moodle can offer.
At the moment I use different parts of moodle and other cms-modules to do my kind of Webquest, although I do not know, wether this still can be called a Webquest in the usual way.

I think especially in the parts process, evaluation and resources moodle could offer perfect tools besides the normal textareas.
I expand process to the students. The groups have a blog where they write in their workprocess, can show parts of their group plans or meantime results. The Advantage: everyone else from the class can comment. Since I do this, the quality of work increased and students can help each other. My wish for a rather free webquest wuld be a kind of blog and for a more guided Webquest would be a kind of process table. Each time showing the step to do at first, then a kind of blog area, where the students can show their process, then the next step in process and another blog field.
What I cannot do at the moment because of the lack of knowledge in writing such things: A special evaluation tool when the students load up their work. I would like to see a kind of table with my guidelines I expected in the first column, in the next column at first the members of the group itself evaluate their work, then in the next column the rest of the class and at last I put in my comments/results.
In the part resources and introduction it should be possible to show all things moodle can do at the moment, eg streaming videos, mathematic notation and so on.

Sorry for my really bad English. At the moment I'm speaking Italian (ok, at least I try چشمک ). It is hard enough for me to write English when I'm home in Bavaria, but when speaking another foreign language during the day, it is really bad. Nevertheless I hope you can understand what I'm thinking of.

Greetings
Susanne

In reply to S. Fieler

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Jan Dierckx در
Some great ideas. Which blog are you using at the moment? Can you show us some examples of how students use the blogs?

Ray's workshop module (now being revised) allows students to assess their peers on criteria  provided by a teacher.

Nothing wrong with your Italian influenced German English چشمک
In reply to S. Fieler

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Ger Tielemans در
In the process of construction/reordening) you could use a wiki and insert your feedback IN that page, the owner can work with that and then remove the comment. (The comment is alwyas tracable in the page history)
In reply to Martin Dougiamas

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Hernan Yonny Yapurasi Quelcahuanca در

Hello. I write you from Peru. I am student of education Primary. This Year i will finish.

Sorry, but i don´t speak English very well yet.

I was looking for new modules so found this forum.

I am making a denominated investigation "Effectiveness of moodle in the construction of learnings in the area Science and atmosphere" (ciencia y ambiente) so it will work under strategy WEBQUEST.

I was thinking about using the forum, resources, and tasks for it, is to say one combinacion of the previous ones.

But as already I said it previously, found this forum, and would like to contribute to with ideas. The Link connection is an idea of possible interfas to use. Although i wrote it in Spanish.

Another day will explain the reasons for which I did it, is to say details. now I must go to house, my parents traveled and leaves the house single. Ciao.

http://espanol.geocities.com/hyapurasi/webquest/index.htm

In reply to Martin Dougiamas

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Katherine Dimond در
If there was a way one could create an embeded tool within moodle which could allow students to present visualizaly and dynamically how complex systems and ideas really work... it could take the concept of telecolaborate "webquests" to a whole new level... if one could create a "webquest" which asked students to create things like dynamic behavior over time graphs, or to find pattern plot developments or history... and then have them evaluate choices today based on the models... letting them try different outcomes... or test out science experiment results... with moodle providing the forum for students to discuss and experiment... as well as an embeded systems thinking tool which enabled dynamic modeling... a concept mapping simulation of sorts... well, I don't know... it would be great.  As I write this, I realize that it may already be possible and I am just unaware... I am very new to moodle.  Several years ago in graduate education class I was introduced to Stella... I was amazed.  But, I haven't been able to incorporate a tool like that into my practice.  (One step at time.)
In reply to Martin Dougiamas

Re: Webquest module add-on: Possible interfaces

از Dariem Garcés Urquiza در
i'v an idea. imagine the webquest almost like a course(using tabbed design). format topics are Introduction(in course summary), Tasks, we may insert in this topic activities like: worshops, assignments, lessons and others simples evaluatives activities, Resources topic, well here we may insert web pages, text pages, links to file or web page and labels. in the Process topic well, labels.. and finally the final topic: if the user is a teacher, admin or course creator here the module displays a report with the students's conclusions and will evaluate then just like the workshop do but only wiht one element, and the final student's grade is the sum of the activitie's_grades+conclusion'sgrade. WQ'll displays an edit on/off button.
Now if the user is an student, in the conclusion topic will appear a html edit and a section to upload a file and a send button to post the student's conclusion.
In the left section will appear th configuration options, scales, activities grades, and others...

Sorry for me english.
Regards Dariem Garces Urquiza (Holguin, Cuba).
darien.garces@facinf.uho.edu.cu