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  Diana H.

  Mon, 3 Aug 2015, 5:07 PM

  Dear Mathieu,
  
  Thank you for your swift reply!
  So do you think we should install and configure both plugins separately? Will one TurnItIn key work for both plugins?
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  Mathieu Pelletier

  Mon, 3 Aug 2015, 5:22 PM

  Hello Diana,
  
  If you wish to use the plagiarism plugin (which is what we use), you must configure turnitintooltwo. However, if you just wish to use turnitintooltwo and its assignment module, there is no need to install or configure the plagiarism_plugin.
  
  Plagiarism plugin depends on turnitintooltwo, and you record your Turnitin Account ID and Shared Key in the settings for Turnitintooltwo. The plagiarism plugin allows you to use Turnitin more broadly in your moodle installation, allowing Turnitin to function in the existing Moodle assignments, forums, and workshops. If you use only turnitintooltwo, turnitin's functions will be relegated solely to the assignments received via their assignments module. If your institution is currently using the built-in Moodle assignments module for essay assignments, you may find there is a smaller learning curve with the plagiarism_plugin, since most of the submission processes remain unchanged. I have also noted that if Turnitin's services are down, we can still receive assignments with the plagiarism_plugin, whereas (at least with turnitintool version 1) students could not complete their submissions.
  
  I hope that helps.
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  Diana H.

  Mon, 3 Aug 2015, 6:02 PM

  Hello Mathieu,
  
  Thank you very much, now it is clear. We haven't used the plugin previously, uploaded files to TurnItIn manually. This summer we upgraded to Moodle 2.9+, so it is time to automate also TurnItIn functionality.
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  John McGettrick

  Mon, 3 Aug 2015, 9:38 PM

  Hi Diana,
  
  I can't really add much more than what Mathieu has said. Thanks Mathieu.
  
  John
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  Andrew Rowatt

  Mon, 10 Aug 2015, 12:18 PM

  Hi!
  
  It doesn't seem possible to *only* show the similarity score to the student. The capability "plagiarism/turnitin:viewsimilarityscore" seems to suggest otherwise but I cannot get this to work. I am probably missing something simple!
  
  Any help appreciated!
  
  Thanks,
  Andrew
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  John McGettrick

  Wed, 12 Aug 2015, 8:52 PM

  Hi Andrew, no that permission was left in from Dan's original plugin and should really be taken out as it's not used. If a student is allowed to see the report in the Turnitin settings then they can also view the report in the Turnitin DV.
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  Andrew Rowatt

  Sun, 16 Aug 2015, 8:47 AM

  Thanks John. I take it there are no plans to allow just the similarity score to show the student.
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  John McGettrick

  Mon, 17 Aug 2015, 6:54 PM

  No, not currently. We're remaining consistent across all integrations so students can view the DV if they can see their Originality score.
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  Andrew Rowatt

  Tue, 18 Aug 2015, 3:54 AM

  Thanks again John.
  
  Cheers,
  Andrew
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  Andrew Rowatt

  Sat, 29 Aug 2015, 4:31 AM

  Hi,
  
  On a couple of assignments it seems the cut-off date in Moodle becomes the due date at Turnitin which is a problem if the "Report Generation Speed" is set to "Generate reports on due date" and the cut-off date is significantly later than the due date. I tried editing the due date and the Turnitin end but it soon reverted.
  
  Is this mapping of cut-off to due date by design?
  
  Thanks,
  Andrew
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  Andrew Rowatt

  Sat, 29 Aug 2015, 4:35 AM

  P.S. We are using version 2015040102
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  Andrew Rowatt

  Sun, 30 Aug 2015, 10:12 AM

  Hi again,
  
  In our system different offerings can have the same course full name but a different "Course short name". Is it possible to use the "Course short name" as the class name in Turnitin?
  
  Thanks,
  Andrew
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  John McGettrick

  Wed, 2 Sept 2015, 10:25 PM

  Hi Andrew, the cut off date is used as the due date by design as it will be later than the due date if used. With the class short name, I don't see why that would be a problem in general but I suspect it would affect other institutions so would need some investigation amongst end users to see whether this was a desired workflow.
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  Mathieu Pelletier

  Tue, 15 Sept 2015, 3:38 PM

  @Andrew Rowatt, @John McGettrick. Andrew's request makes a lot of sense, since in Moodle the course shortname must be unique. This is not so with the course fullname. This being the case, it seems that using the course shortname is better by design. However, I realise there is no such requirement for a unique value in Turnitin's system where the course name is concerned.
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  Mathieu Pelletier

  Tue, 15 Sept 2015, 3:47 PM

  @John McGettrick. Regarding the cut-off date, it seems that setting this also causes the Turnitin assignment to become read-only. This has some nice use cases, however it causes problems for marking if an institution tries to use this date to establish a point where no new submissions will be permitted, the traditional understanding of "cut-off date". However, as it has been linked to Plagiarism Plugin, you are using it as the "Post-Date".
  
  Suppose, for example, that the cut-off date is 7 days after the official due date. That is, papers that are more than 7 days late will no longer be accepted. If a student does in fact submit on the 7th day and the course facilitator only gets to marking it a day later, the assignment appears as read-only in grademark. This means, the cut-off date then needs to be changed to allow the marker to complete the marking. This whole process is counter-intuitive.
  
  If we wish to use the cut-off date as the date on which all marking should be completed (i.e. analogous to "Post Date" in Tii Tool 2), it should not show to the students in the summary as the cut-off date, since we are conflating our terminology here. It is effectively the end of the marking period (post-date), but is not the cut-off date. As it stands, when one sets the cut-off date where the plagiarism plugin is in use, he does not get the behaviour he expects.