I set debug to Normal, Developer seemed to cause problems. Not sure if this is a bug but posted in case it helped someone else. I am on a hosted server so do not have direct control over it (I am restricted to cPanel for any server things I need to do, but I the host have 24/7 support) they had to reboot and check the XML settings. other than that I am not sure what they did, i just came back and set debug lower again and all worked fine.
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