Hi, I am evaluating Moodle for use in our High School Latin language courses (and other courses too). We are unusual in using Latin actively in our courses and wondered if anyone had done any work on a Latin language pack. We would be interested in contributing. Can anyone give me a feel for the level of work involved in producing/augmenting such a pack?
Just using the editor for this message, I noticed that only a small subset of the unicode Latin was available under "insert symbol" button. We use a horizontal bar (called a macron) over long vowels in Latin teaching. Can a language pack change that?
Andrew Gollan
Latin
Santa Monica HS
Latin language pack
Number of replies: 19Re: Latin language pack
I'm not aware of anyone working of a Latin language pack. The amount of work is hard to estimate. It depends on how much you want to translate? A good start is moodle.php: that covers a lot of the user interface.
You can edit the content of the "insert symbol" button, but it is hard coded (so the changes don't survive an update). It is not in the language packs.
You can edit the content of the "insert symbol" button, but it is hard coded (so the changes don't survive an update). It is not in the language packs.
Re: Latin language pack
Has any progress been made on the Latin Language Pack?
Re: Latin language pack
Nothing heard yet. I think the best approach is to start yourself, if you need the language pack. Commit an initial part of it to Moodle, announce it and hope someone joins in to share the work.
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Miguel - I think this would be a fun idea for Latin students. Might this be something for GHOP? I think it would be a fun student project and a chance for a student to show off their Latin abilities. Peace - Anthony
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I am working the GHOP task. I am currently attempting to solve the macron issue discribed above -- I really don't want to have it be macron free then have them added later, but if I can't figure it out in a little while it might have to be.
Testing macrons on this forum: āēīōūȳ.
Do these work for others?
Testing macrons on this forum: āēīōūȳ.
Do these work for others?
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Just an update as to my current progress -- I am currently about 38% translated, which amounts to most of the user interface (most of the buttons are in latin when I navigate). My goal is to get 50% by the end of tomorrow, which seems quite possible at the current rate. The rest of the tricky strings might take awhile, but I think I will go on to files outside of moodle.php once this task ends, since those are also simple to translate with visible results.
nick
nick
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The current revision of the pack is attached to this post. I still need to double check everything to make sure it makes sense (I changed a few things from singular to plural and most certainly missed some resulting changes I need to make), but it is still pretty fun as it is. I will continue to work on this even though the GHOP task constraints are finished, so expect some progress at some point 
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Hi Nick,
Thanks a lot for your Latin language pack work. No doubt many Latin teachers are going appreciate your efforts.
Once Koen has reviewed your files, they will be added to cvs.moodle.org/lang/ and a Latin language pack download link will be added to the language packs download page.
Thanks for participating in GHOP. It's really nice to hear that you wish to continue being involved in Moodle development.
Thanks a lot for your Latin language pack work. No doubt many Latin teachers are going appreciate your efforts.
Once Koen has reviewed your files, they will be added to cvs.moodle.org/lang/ and a Latin language pack download link will be added to the language packs download page.
Thanks for participating in GHOP. It's really nice to hear that you wish to continue being involved in Moodle development.
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gratias tibi quod inceptum bonum impetravisti. quid censes de macris in Moodle usu. quod tirones doceo, eos macra inferre posse cupio sed cum editore Moodle macra apponere difficile est. vidi te macra apposuisse nuntiis et hoc gaudeo sed quid de textibus a magistris vel a discipilis ipsis illatis? hac ipsa de causa adhuc Moodle in scholis meis non sum usus. per Mac licet quandocumque vis his litteris uti sed adhuc multi Fenestris utuntur et rationem commodam non inveni.
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>quod tirones doceo, eos macra inferre posse cupio sed cum editore Moodle >macra apponere difficile est.
nescio quomodo magistri discipulique macres apponant in Fenestris quod non utor Fenestre, sed suntne accenti 'acute' faciliores addere Fenestris? magister meum utitur illis accentis (in Mac).
(videtur in pagina francis (?), http://fr.wikinews.org/wiki/Aide:Accents, nē facilis est. Alt + numeri == scelestus)
possum inspicere fontem Moodle ut explicatio inveniat.
nescio quomodo magistri discipulique macres apponant in Fenestris quod non utor Fenestre, sed suntne accenti 'acute' faciliores addere Fenestris? magister meum utitur illis accentis (in Mac).
(videtur in pagina francis (?), http://fr.wikinews.org/wiki/Aide:Accents, nē facilis est. Alt + numeri == scelestus)
possum inspicere fontem Moodle ut explicatio inveniat.
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No idea what you guys are talking about
As for the langconfig.php, those locales are a problem for Latin. They are mainly used to get the dates in the calender working, but Latin dates are not supported by operating systems. The only thing I could find is hodie (for Linux , for windows). That converts a date into a latin date.
e.g. this gives my birthday
koenr@koenr-laptop:~$ hodie -d dmy 31/5/1969
Hodie pr. Kal. Iun. MCMLXIX est
So it might be possible that someone with coding experience can make the calendar work with Latin dates on servers with hodie installed. May be something for the Google summer of code
As for the langconfig.php, those locales are a problem for Latin. They are mainly used to get the dates in the calender working, but Latin dates are not supported by operating systems. The only thing I could find is hodie (for Linux , for windows). That converts a date into a latin date.
e.g. this gives my birthday
koenr@koenr-laptop:~$ hodie -d dmy 31/5/1969
Hodie pr. Kal. Iun. MCMLXIX est
So it might be possible that someone with coding experience can make the calendar work with Latin dates on servers with hodie installed. May be something for the Google summer of code
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Yeah, I to found that hodie program as the only latin computing resource. I plan to see if integration is possible in the next week or two.
nick
nick
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The issue I mentioned (in Latin) above is that in a teaching context we conventionally mark long vowels with a sign called a macron, a horizontal bar over the letter. Nick has used them in his translation which is great, but the issue is being able to conveniently type them in as a teacher or student in a moodle course. The editor doesn't include them in the special character palate and I earlier asked a question about whether a language pack could modify that and got the answer no. Under Mac the US-extended keyboard layout gives a convenient input method "option-A a" is a with a macron etc. but there is no simple equivalent for PC (or at least I haven't found it yet). Without convenient macrons using moodle for introductory Latin courses is difficult.
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You can add them in moodle/lib/editor/htmlarea/popups/dlg_ins_char.php on line 81 in the array (I tried a few, copying them from the lang pack since not having a Mac).
Then they show up in the add special character popup in the Moodle HTML editor.
You can also file a feature request in the tracker and include the wanted characters so it can go in the Moodle distribution.
Then they show up in the add special character popup in the Moodle HTML editor.
You can also file a feature request in the tracker and include the wanted characters so it can go in the Moodle distribution.
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Moodle administrators can now install the Latin language pack on their site via Administration > Language > Language packs.
I've also added it to the list of Moodle 1.9 major improvements in the release notes.
I've also added it to the list of Moodle 1.9 major improvements in the release notes.
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Did the Latin language pack stick? We just looked on our site at Fayette County Public Schools, and didn't see it in the list of available languages.
Re: Latin language pack
Sorry, no Latin language pack yet
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Sorry, forget my previous post. We do have a partial Latin language pack since over a year now, contributed by Nick, a Google Highly Open Participation Project stutent.
It should be there on the language page in the administration block, ready for installation on your site. Are the other available language packs visible?
You can download it manually from http://download.moodle.org/lang16/ , unzip it and add it to your moodledata/lang folder if you have problems installing it from the administration block.
It should be there on the language page in the administration block, ready for installation on your site. Are the other available language packs visible?
You can download it manually from http://download.moodle.org/lang16/ , unzip it and add it to your moodledata/lang folder if you have problems installing it from the administration block.