Moodle 4.0 - Navigation between activities

Moodle 4.0 - Navigation between activities

дэргэд Gemma Lesterhuis -
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I noticed that in M4.0 we don't have the navigation at the bottom of the page anymore for navigating from or to the next mod page. This has been removed before, and then returned again on request of the commnuity in Moodle 3.4

I was wondering if this was indeed an UX choice to remove this functionality and mostly looking for what the reason is behind this. 
Because now students can only navigate from activity to activity through the index, which I would guess makes things less usable instead of a student clicking on a (well formed) button at the bottom of a page to move forward or backwards. 

Or did this slip through the "cracks" and we should start a tracker on this subject инээмсэглэл 



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Re: Moodle 4.0 - Navigation between activities

дэргэд Anderson Blaine 😎🤓 -

I noticed the same. I take the opportunity to leave as a reference the approach of Domestika.org that adds the activity completion button in the footer. Note that the forward button is generic, it doesn't take the name of the next activity (it's easier to keep the unity like that).


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дэргэд Anderson Blaine 😎🤓 -
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дэргэд Julien Garrigue -
Hello Anderson,




does this link "Next Activity" appears only at the end of any type of activity (test, page, lesson, feedback, book) ?
If yes, how to add it? this is exactly what we are looking for.

By te way, I don't the double navigation menu like this because it's confusing for people never used moodle:


Thank you
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дэргэд Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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Hi

> it's confusing for people never used moodle

How long do they plan to remain "people never used moodle"?
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дэргэд Gemma Lesterhuis -
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инээмсэглэл i had a similar discussison a few days back. 

In every Moodle instance you will a mix of new and as I like to say  the more advanced users, at least if you are doing it right.
The question is if we have to create workflows to help new users around, which will end up frustrating the more advanced users for having to go over and over through all the steps again while they just need 1 click. 


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дэргэд Anderson Blaine 😎🤓 -

In Boost Union you can use something like this:

.activity-navigation #next-activity-link {
  visibility: hidden;
}
.activity-navigation #next-activity-link:before {
  content: 'Next activity';
  visibility: visible;
}
.activity-navigation #next-activity-link:after{
  content: '\f061';
  visibility: visible;
  font-family: 'Fontawesome';
  position: absolute;
  left: 100px;
}
#jump-to-activity, .activity-navigation #prev-activity-link {
  display: none;
}
.activity-navigation .float-right{
  position: relative;

}

Still, I don't like this solution very much. So behold, the RÉCIT autolink came out. Now I hide the navigation between activities and add a "Continue" button at the location I want using RECIT autolink. This plugin is beautiful. =)

And using the same visual pattern, I added a "Continue" button to the "Course overview" block. Simplifying the platform as a whole.


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дэргэд Daniel Thies -
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There is a panel that appears on the left in place of the Boost navigation drawer. This displays course index which has links to activities in a list with the current on highlighted. The links at the bottom of the page would be redundant.

Course formats can disable this feature. In which case the links at the bottom reappear.
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дэргэд Gemma Lesterhuis -
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I am sorry if this sounds to critical, but placing the links at the bottom might be seen as redundant is not only a developers term but also a developers view.

We have created our own Menu Index block for M3.5. At first without navigation in the bottom. But after feedback of our users we have added the navigatoin at the bottom again to our courses. Users called it an unfiendly experience because they had to scroll back up to the navigation, and it was for them better when they read the page to directly move to the next by a simple navigation arrow pointing them to the next or previous page.

I am also stating this from an accesibility point of view. How should one know that is by example blind and is depending on their tools, to go back to the menu after finishing the page? 

But that's my 2cents on this.
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Re: Moodle 4.0 - Navigation between activities

дэргэд Daniel Thies -
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The feature may not be right for every situation, but it is very handy for courses with a lot of assignments or text on the course page. The links are still available if they are needed. Both themes and course formats can control this. If you are using Boost, then at the end of theme/boost/config.php change the line

$THEME->usescourseindex = true;

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дэргэд Chris Kenniburg -
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In the latest dev release it looks like they added the navigation back to the bottom. In my theme, I also added a prev and next link at the top right of the page because sometimes you just want to cycle through stuff without going to the bottom each time.
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дэргэд Gemma Lesterhuis -
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hi Chris,
Great to hear you have this set in your team. Though you mention the navigaton back is in the latest dev. I just updated the site, as well checked qa.moodledemo.net but don't see the navigation on the boost theme. The navigation is there in classic theme though.
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дэргэд Chris Kenniburg -
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Sorry Gemma,
I spoke too soon. I was experimenting with removal of the Course Index. If that is not present then the activity navigation re-appears and I thought they had added it back after grabbing the latest code.
I found a solution for a theme I am developing that allows the user to choose whether it appears or not. In addition to the prev,next, and mod list at the bottom of the page, I added prev and next to the very top right of the page which allows you to quickly go through the activities without having to scroll to the bottom of the page. This was needed if you do not have the course index present.
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дэргэд plastiek pvc -

I do greatly respect the changes that has been made to ver 4, but at the same time must say that the developers are disconnected form the community in this regard. 

Navigation between activities is used in every course, what were you thinking removing the navigation ? 

You could at least left the feature and just disabled it. but now it is removed. Clearly the developers were not thinking.

i should have stayed on my previous version. I really regret upgrading to ver v

Really disappointed.

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Re: Moodle 4.0 - Navigation between activities

дэргэд Ben Girard -

I agree.  Going seamlessly from one activity to another is an absolute must to keep the user from going back to the main course.  At a minimum, this should have been offered as a system wide or course level option.

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дэргэд Pedro Tamer -
Maybe not a definitive solution, but a good and simple way to work around the problem is by placing an HTML button at the bottom of activities:

<button type="button">

    <a href="https://www.moodlesitelink.com">Next Activity</a>

</button>


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дэргэд Rafael Lechugo -

Hi everyone, for those who don’t know me, I am Rafael Lechugo, currently UX Lead / Product designer from Moodle Workplace team. I also worked alongside the Moodle LMS team with the re-design of Moodle LMS 4.

Moodle LMS 4 was conceived as a fresh start (mostly for new users and new generations) while trying to keep as many functionalities as possible for users from the previous versions.

It should be known by now that we made a great effort to reduce our users' cognitive load to the bare minimum, so the "learning content" could be the protagonist in the experience. Our approach (and the approach of most modern software similar to Moodle) is to make the UI as "invisible" as possible, so users don’t have to think about it.

I can assure you that all test sessions covering users onboarding and course completion were successful (for new users that never used Moodle before — again, our main target in the re-design process). Notice some design decisions that were made to ensure this success ratio:

  • The course index is expanded by default, and users can hide it expressly if they want. When / if they choose to do that, they already learned where to find the course navigation.
  • On top of that, we added a user tour step that expressly indicates the course index and its function.
  • Every activity page has a breadcrumb that takes the user back to the course main page so users can find their way back to the course "itinerary", even in extreme cases.
  • Not all activities look and behave the same. Some of their content is very straightforward, so the 'Previous' and 'Next' buttons are easily scannable by the users. However, this pattern does not work for every activity out there. Users can't scan navigation buttons that easily in complex activities such as Database, H5P, etc.

However, I DO agree that the buttons are convenient on smaller screens. Nobody wants to open the course index every time to switch between activities on a small device. We consciously kept these buttons in the Moodle App, and we encourage you and your users to use the App to achieve the best mobile experience. Maybe we could bring the navigation buttons back for this only reason (and display them only on small screens), so I would let this option open for discussion.

I encourage the community to listen to what NEW users have to say about the course experience in the desktop version (users from the new generations, or users that never used the previous versions of Moodle before). Are they facing challenges browsing through the course? Please let us know!

I also encourage you guys to catch up with the new improvements in the activities UI regarding new fixed buttons on the bottom of the page, which will make the experience smoother in general. How would this new component/pattern (that adds so much value to the product) dialogue with the old navigation buttons if we bring them back?

Thanks for bringing your feedback and expertise to the discussion!

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дэргэд Gemma Lesterhuis -
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Hi Rafael,
 
Thank you for the explaination.

First of all I want to state that both new as old users I have spoken love the new UX in Boost. 
The new course index is surely a great and welcome additoin to the Moodle Course navigation. 
I am for one very happy with this development. It makes my live as an administrator much easier, and I will explain below why. 

But to be sure, this what I post is absolutly not about bashing into this from an experience Moodle view. 
Because I support this new UI fully, it was long over due, and it is important that NEW users find their way. 
It is about embrassing the open communication spirit that Moodle HQ advocates. 

What is the defination of a new user?
My definiation of a new user in this usecase is the new student that first logins in to Moodle, to start his or her course. 

Some of these new users just come into Moodle for 1 course, others to finish their school carrier or because the workplace tells them to use it.
But it all comes to the fact that one day they will not return to Moodle again, one sooner then the other. But definitatly earlier then any site administrator and/or even teacher, which makes them the "key-experience" users, and also the "source" of any remarks that have been made been during their time of using Moodle.

Why am I as an admin happy with the new UI
As stated it makes my live as an administrator so much more easy. When a new Moodle site is been requested, I don't have to be "afraid" anymore that they are "horriefed" by the out dated look. Or I have to install and configure a number of plugins to get an UI that looks like something they are already familiar to. 
I don't have to maintain all those plugins I use, so I can now more focus on helping my teachers to build the best educational course they can. 

Why am I suprised that navigation buttons are gone
As I stated in my first post. I don't get how something that had dissapeared, had a long outstanding discussion returned, is now gone again. Since I was one of those old users that have attended UX sessions, I know I have addressed the point of the use of the button. I know I was at least one of them, and that I have showned what I will end up in this post. 

Why do I strongly advice Moodle to reconsider this choice
Let's say you have autisme, ADHD , HSP or any kind of concentration or energy issue. 
As such a user I probably don't use the APP because I am self aware of my issues, the learning content will be cramped into 1 screen, as well I will lose my concenstration and focus because someone is calling me, social media or simply a what's app message popping up. 

So when I go to my laptop/desktop and enter the course,  it is most likely (because I am self aware) that I will start with closing the Course Index to ensure that my  cognitive load is limit to only that what I need to do. 

I have finished reading, going throuhgh a quiz, upload an assigment , your H5P activity what every is on your screen at that point. 
And want to move to the next activity. 

I was fully focussed and concentrated. And now I have to relay that focus and concentration on opening the Course Index, finding where I was and then go further. 

Even if I had decided to keep the Course Index open, i would still have to refocus and concentrated to know where I was and I want to go next. 

It was a big course, and it took all my energy on concenstration. I leave the course frustrated, rethinking my steps and what I can do to improve my experience. I might not even concider sharing this with my class mates and/or teacher, because I feel that it's due to my own issues and/or I don't know that it would be an option to have navigation buttons in the bottom that would make things easier for me. 

what I am trying to say here is that most 'new' users don't know what they are missing and accept the UI experience they have. But I also want to stated that in the current state you might excluded students with dissability that are not visable or even know to most admins and/or teachers.  

Are their previous experiences with a similar setup 
The answer is YES. And as I stated above I have shown this setup to the UX team during one of the UX sessions. 

This experiences has been build about 4-5 years ago for group of clients in Moodle 3.5, and still is running in 3.9. 
As I then told to the UX team member, I spoke with, it was a combination of theme, courseformat and a variation of the Course Navigation block that is in the plugin database. 

The most heared question was the option to move the Menu out of the screen, as Course Index is doing now. We are talking about +300 courses a year, with a user group base of 10.000 users a year. With about eacher year 50% what I call "new users". We work with H5P and Quiz, so that states I believe under "complex activities". 

And yes: in our first concept we did get feedback that the moodle standard navigation in the bottom gave confusion in the navigation. 
So we did 2 user test: 1 with and 1 without, and the feedback is that if it has to be that choice, they rather have the moodle standard navigation. 
we dived in deeper and concluded that it was about the distinction and visualisation. 
so we convided with our theme developer and solved the issue (see screenshot below). 

This said: we also have sites where we have added a top-line between the activity and buttons to ensure they where even more distinctive. 


Closing argument 
I don't believe I have in my +11 years of being a Moodle Siteadministrator ever so strongly advocated an item, but I also realize it is up to Moodle HQ to decided what is best for Moodle because they have the pleasure of considering all user cases and scenario's of how Moodle is being used. 

When it comes to the point if Moodle HQ will ensure a return of the navigation buttons or not. I am fairly simple. I have ensured before that the UI was confirm the research we did, and I can do this again because of Moodle's flexibility.

But I do hope that Moodle , reconsider this decission, even if this is by making an optional setting in the boost theme so an admin can decided for her/himselve if it necessary in their user case. Based on that what I above stated, and the posts that followed by the others. 







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дэргэд Ira Eickhoff -
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Thanks for your thoughtful argumentation, Gemma! I absolutely second it and would like to highlight the aspect of cognitive load from an instructional design/learning theory point of view.
Cognitive load should not only be considered in getting used to the navigation as a new user (this is a one time process) but in day-to-day learning. Gemma describes the learning experience very well: At the end of an activity - instead of just clicking the 'next' button - I have to shift my focus from the learning content to the course index and then back to the learning content. The continuity of learning is disrupted every time I have to navigate to the next activity. The refocussing produces extraneous cognitive load and therefore reduces the capacity of germane cognitive load that is relevant for learning.
This aspect of cognitive load is relevant for all learners, not just those that face cognitive learning challenges. The need to show/hide the course index only increases extraneous cognitive load.

Like Gemma, I really appreciate the new design in general and the massive improvement it brings but strongly miss the easy next/previous navigation (not the dropdown list). A simple next/previous button would do it for me, no need for the name of the next activity like in 3.x.

@Rafael: Refering to similar software like Moodle: On MOOC platforms it's very common to have a next/previous navigation, see for example Coursera or Udacity. I can't imagine such a button to cause unwanted cognitive load for the users.
The course index can instead look quite messy for long courses, therefore increasing extraneous cognitive load (a 'collapse all' option for the sections in the course index might help make it look cleaner).

Maybe a good solution would be to add the buttons as an admin setting so every admin can decide for herself whether to enable or disable them?

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дэргэд Matt Bury -
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I'll second the comments on the improvements in the 4.x UI. They're very much appreciated.

I'll also second Ira's comments here on cognitive load for typical learners too (Dylan Wiliam called cognitive load theory possibly one of the most important theories in education). Task-switching (from thinking about learning content to thinking about navigation then back to learning content again) always comes at a cognitive cost & can make difficult tasks more difficult, resulting in shallower learning. The less learners have to think about navigating between Moodle activities, the better they'll learn. Thinking metaphorically, the obvious place for most people to "turn a page" is at the bottom right of it. Take a look at a few old magazines & softback books to see which corner is the most dog-eared. I think that should tell us what is most intuitive for most people.

BTW, Re the App: for the courses I design, for language learning, the app doesn't support many of the necessary features, e.g. audio & video recording & 3rd party activity modules, & so despite some of the conveniences & immediacy the app can offer, it doesn't justify requiring learners to use both the app & the web UI. I don't think the app should be used as a justification for sub-optimal website UI design.

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дэргэд Gemma Lesterhuis -
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I have created a tracker since I don't see one yet: https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-75683 , please vote инээмсэглэл
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дэргэд Randy Thornton -
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Voted up.

I would add my two cents to this issue that

1) Devs and admins should be ADDING pedagogical options, not removing them. The long standing value of a "horizontal" type movement is why we have tools like Lesson and industry standards like SCORM that use that as a base. Gemma has gone into a lot of detail above why this is so valuable.

2) The excellent improvements to the activity view starting in 3.11 and continuing still are the perfect opportunity to improve the previous-next activity-to-activity navigation, not to throw it away. Just when we finally have rich, informative, standardized activity views, we lose the ability to move directly from one to the other?

I recall well the issues that arose when the previous-next navigation was first added: the implications were not thought through very well and there were no options to manage it. This is the chance to finally get it right. What it needs is some attention rather than dismissal.

In particular I would suggest

- a system level enable/disable setting
- a system level default for a course value on/off
- a course level on/off setting
- an activity level setting to suppress it when it interferes with an activity with its own horizontal navigation, like Glossary, Lesson, Quiz, SCORM, Workshop, etc.; for example, in Lesson, we often want to suppress it during all Lesson but have it show up in the End of Lesson page, so the student can then move on as usual to the Next activity.







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дэргэд Neil Stapleton -
Thank you so much for your work on this Gemma.

Like you I share a great deal of enthusiasm for the new Moodle 4 UX and value the work the team have done. But I am disappointed by some of the decisions that have been made to remove these highly valued navigational elements. We have always hidden the "Jump to..." menu which is very clearly superseded by the new course index. however, the next and previous activity links are not directly replicated in any way.

I would just like to share my support for this change to have the option of the activity navigation reinstated. Having spoken with our users, both those with prior experience of Moodle, those with a mixture of experiences of different learning platforms and those with little or no experience. All stated that although the new course index was very useful as a way to navigate around the course and to show activity completion status, they found it jarring as a way to navigate through the narrative of the course, they all stated that they expected to be able to navigate from where they are to the next activity in a more obvious way and without having to reopen the index, having closed it to improve focus on the learning content. Which runs counter to the stated aim of the change.

As it has been stated a few times, the change it has clearly been considered but I'm still unclear on why the conclusion was reached. Course format designers can decide to turn off the course index (Why?) and in that case the activity navigation is enabled (Why?). But why should it be this way, and why not provide both options and allow learning designers and platform owners to make the decision as to what is best for their learning experience design.  I for one see great value in have both the new course index and the activity navigation available to users, they serve very different but complimentary purposes in my opinion and the opinion of many of our users, and many people here. To those who say they are redundant, that depend upon your point of view and the purpose you attribute to them, so why not let us decide. You can turn them off and I can turn them on.

Gemma has put a great case together, with regard to neurodiverse learners. Moodle has always been a tool that has been flexible and has allowed customisation to meet the needs of its userbase, this seems to run counter to that.

Can I encourage you all to raise this with colleagues and associates and to support and enhance the Tracker https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-75683

I hope to see some of you at MoodleMoot Global next week and if we get an opportunity to raise this issue, let's do so.

All the best
Neil
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дэргэд Przemek Kaszubski -
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Voted - thanks !

BTW. Course index is NOT a viable solution for non-media file types anyway, as I indicated in this report:
https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=424025#p1737669

The activity navigation links work(ed) much better in this respect - never missing the activity/resource description page thanks to the &forceview parameter appended in the URL.
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дэргэд Ben Valbret -

I totally agree. We have issues because of the missing navigation "next" or "previous" activity buttons.


More information for Moodle:

Maybe this isn't really the place to talk about the "next" & "previous" buttons but this seems the closest so far.

I would like to start by saying that a lot of the Moodle platform update has been a great improvement and really well received by our participants ("Students").

We train Higher Education (HE) teachers/lecturers in best practice for universities and governments around the world. We have some of the brightest minds in LMS and online education who work for us as advisors. Their day jobs are in online education at a world leading university. I'm saying this to explain that we understand the use of LMS and the theory and real world application very well.

Since the 4.0 update, we've had an increase of issues with navigation, we've had people unsure of what they've really done (the "done" indicator doesn't really solve this as it would need an infinite number of option) and we've found that even the best participants ("students") were accidentally missing exercises. We strongly believe this is because it is no longer a continuous flow but a "jumping" motion where you have to manually choose the page/activity you wish to visit next. This is creating a barrier for learners.

The other issue with the missing "flow" of activity to activity is that it forces a disassociation between information on different activities. This leaves our course creators choosing between putting as much information on each page or reducing cognitive load/aesthetics. The side bar is more like any website menu, on a normal website they aren't usually connected topics. Its a nice touch but we don't think it should be the only option for navigation, there needs to be some sort of "Next" & "Previous" button to create a flow that doesn't interrupt the learning process.

We really appreciate the effort going into the UX on the Moodle platform and look forward to the changes to come.

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дэргэд Ben Girard -
Any official response from Moodle on getting this extremely valuable feature back? Why was it even removed, doesn't make any sense to me.
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дэргэд Gemma Lesterhuis -
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@Ben the official response from Moodle HQ can be found here: https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=433448#p1756871

For the rest I advice you to bring out a vote to https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-75683, because votes on a tracker is one of the ways to bring this under their attention.
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дэргэд Jürgen Handke -
On the Virtual Linguistics Campus (https://oer-vlc.de) with 10K users world-wide, we have been hesitant to upgrade to Moodle 4 for these reasons:

- no tick off option for activities on the right
- no bottom navigation between activities

It's a pity that these enormously important UI-options have been removed.

Prof. Dr. J. Handke
Project Manager - The Virtual Linguistics Campus
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дэргэд Rick Jerz -
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Yes, I know what you mean.  Here is what I am doing about these two problems:

 

"no tick off option for activities on the right".  Checklist plugin.

"no bottom navigation between activities". Collapsed topics plugin.

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дэргэд Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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I looked at the content of your site. Definitely at univ. level - concentrated information. The Moodle 4 went in the opposite direction, towards primary education (may be, may be the "enterprise", may be no education at all). People, including myself, have complained everywhere. We were late to the party.

Funny, that you came to the Future major features. Do you mean the Moodle 5 will be the new Moodle 3?
инээмсэглэл

I am counting on theme developers to rescue at least partly - for example https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=433448#p1768447. In fact, your site uses Adaptable. Ask in the Themes forum for individual repairs.
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дэргэд Luca Bösch -
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Would you like to get activity navigation back?
Just install Boost Union and switch on that setting — it’s easy to use! By default it looks just like normal Boost, but it has many other fine options which the administrator can enable.

It’s under active development, so stay tuned for new releases.
Next up: block regions. Many.

Best,
Luca

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Re: Moodle 4.0 - Navigation between activities

дэргэд Gemma Lesterhuis -
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For those who don't want to rely on theme's, and would like to see that their courseformat support the Course Index and the navigation buttons. It is certainly not the nices way to do it, but sometimes a 'dirty' trick is the way to go https://github.com/Lesterhuis-Training-en-Consultancy/moodle-format_vsf/pull/1
Gemma Lesterhuis-н хариуд

Re: Moodle 4.0 - Navigation between activities

дэргэд Rachid El Baji -
Hi all,

If you are using any theme based on Boost, Just go to file theme/boost/config.php
In the ligne 182 change the code :
$THEME->usescourseindex = true;
to
$THEME->usescourseindex = false;

I hope its helpful.
Rachid El Baji-н хариуд

Re: Moodle 4.0 - Navigation between activities

дэргэд David McNab -
I just came across this topic. It took me a lot of reading through its various threads to discover that the Boost Union theme can help site admins/teachers restore the "prev/next" navigation arrow links, that were forcibly removed in recent Moodle versions.

As a veteran developer myself, I know well how easy it is to be blinded to the huge chasm of perception between developers and users. Many things that "seem like a no-brainer brilliant idea" to developers turn out to be a massive degradation of product experience and value for users.

It makes me wonder whether the Moodle developer community and its governance have any policies or processes in place for canvassing user reactions, before forcibly removing features.

I've since written a separate forum post (https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=449389) to try to make it easier for newer Moodle site admins to find out about the Boost Union theme, and how it can reverse this huge UI/UX anomaly.
David McNab-н хариуд

Re: Moodle 4.0 - Navigation between activities

дэргэд Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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You're late to the party. The old discussions must have been in either the Themes forum or in the separate Moodle UX community. I thought it was there in the list of communties https://moodle.org/course/, but can't find it.
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Re: Moodle 4.0 - Navigation between activities

дэргэд David McNab -
Right you are. Party is well over, and I'm stepping around the sleeping germinating hangovers and the discarded bottles.

I'm glad there seem to be policy and processes changes for preventing future occurrences. But I had to vent because it took me an irreplaceable couple of hours of experimenting, reading docs, searchin and then bottom trawling the forums before finding the solution.
David McNab-н хариуд

Re: Moodle 4.0 - Navigation between activities

дэргэд Visvanath Ratnaweera -
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You know, these parties are never over. German soccer fans knew this for decades. They call it, "Nach dem Spiel ist vor dem Spiel!"

For me at least, the party has just begun. See Padlocks and other paraphernalia [OT].
;-?