Hi Howard
Apologies, I didn't realise you didn't recommend use of cPanel/Softaculous installations.
Having said that, it's so easy to install via that combination, and subsequently to backup and upgrade via the same. I use it because I find the backup and upgrade process as detailed on Moodle to involve complicated stuff eg dump of sql database etc that I just don't need to worry about when using cPanel/Softaculous.
If there's a similarly simple way not using cPanel/Softaculous I will definitely do that but at the moment I can't find it
I noticed that Moodle has an Install folder containing a variety of files and folders including the ReadMe that says: "The file stringnames.txt contains a list of all the strings used during the install process. A daily cron job will pick up the changes to this file and update all the language files (ie those in install/lang/*/install.php) automatically.
Martin Dougiamas, 20/8/2007"
Is leaving that in place a security issue or is it safe to remove it fiven what it says about the cron job?
Thanks again for your fast response and you help
Very Best
John
Pardon intrusion ...
+20 to what Howard has been saying!
However ..... maybe the following will help you sort it out:
https://www.softaculous.com/board/index.php?tid=3552
https://www.siteground.com/tutorials/cpanel/softaculous-update-script/
https://www.siteground.com/tutorials/cpanel/softaculous-install-scripts/
'SoS', Ken
I feel like chatting a little bit today, so I will add my two cents, and I must let you know that Howard and Ken are folks that I really respect.
I have been there, done that.
cPanel is a set of tools provided by a company that is supposed to help novices, like myself, manage a "server" when people know little about servers. Some folks, like Howard and Ken, know how to manage servers on their own and really don't need help from a cPanel kind of utility. (Sorry if I misspoke, Howard and Ken.)
I have been around cPanel for about 15 years, and I still use it to help me along.
Softaculous is a cPanel utility that is supposed to make it easy to install server-based applications, like WordPress, Moodle, and many others. On my server, this is called "Installatron." I don't know why it goes by a different name or if it might be a different (installer) company. But, the bottom line is that many times these auto-installers work, but you never know "HOW." And we don't know how either, so if anything goes wrong, it is hard to get help here on Moodle.org. What is worse is that if you ever want to update your Moodle, which might happen every month, these installers have even more difficulty. So most folks who have been around Moodle for a while simply do not recommend using these products.
Many years ago I learned how to install Moodle on my server on my own. Sure, a little bit of learning. But in the long run, I am much better off.
The Moodle docs do a pretty good job explaining how to install Moodle. The docs also describe server requirements. If, for example, I need to upgrade my php version, I do this using cPanel's php version tool. If I need to turn on Opcache, I do it with cPanel. So cPanel has been useful to me for some tasks. Ken and Howard know how to do these things using Linux commands. However, if I am going to upgrade my Moodle, I do it manually by myself.
As a big overview, installing Moodle involves only a few steps: 1) create a database, 2) create a moodledata folder one level up (or down, depending on your orientation) from your "public" www folder, 3) put the download version into public, unpack it, and 4) run www.mydomain/moodle to start the installation.
However, this can take some practice, and it helps to know how to use a few important tools, such as ssh and ftp.
That's the big picture, as best as I can provide it.
The way that I like to learn is to buy a VPS for one month, hit it hard, try some things, reset the server, try some more things, reset, and repeat this several dozen times.
Ken and Howard will provide corrections to what I have said, and will guide you further. I just wanted to provide you some encouragement to continue. Moodle is a great LMS, and I am really pleased that I have had success running it for 10 years.
copy and paste commands
Good night!
John,
Much like Rick, Ken, and et al. have suggested (hi everyone, long time no see!), it's definitely worth avoiding Softaculous. When I was a newby to Moodle administration on the server, it was great until I had problems.....ultimately if you download a copy of your Moodle installation onto your own personal computer, or just a plain Moodle copy, set up a test installation on your PC using MAMP and WAMP and practice tinkering, updating, etc. in a non-destructive environment. That way you can learn how relatively easy it is to upgrade Moodle the proper way, as well as see what other things you might do to optimize or fix uknown issues that the command line utilities (admin/cli) can tell you.
Similarly, you can practice doing database dumps and imports - its surprisingly easy. I don't do them that often these days (my previous employment was managing a Moodle installation) and I just had a file with the oft needed commands to remind myself every 8 weeks what I needed to do, filled out my upgrade log, and that was that. Probably spend about 20-30 minutes preparing and then the update itself took about one minute or less on the server.
Your one requisite:
a) there were very clear instructions somewhere - I've read the upgrade instructions for Moodle and they are good but it's the prep bit I find problematic. If someone here can point me to a simple (even if I have to learn some new stuff) instructional video or written sequence I'm very happy to give it a go.
Rick has a number of videos online somewhere that walk you through the process - I used these many moons ago and Rick would also be kind enough to share the links I'm sure. If you can install Moodle, you can definitely upgrade it!
Ken, Rick, Howard, and Visvanath never steered me wrong!
+20 Howard's suggestion of VB ... and to add ... might do this prior to choosing which un-managed OS (Ubuntu vs CentOS)! In providers that offer a choice of un-managed ... make it 'minimal' if they offer. That means you build everything - you choose which DB for example. That sounds like it's difficult, but there are tons of blogs that will assist and if provider is worth it's salt, maybe even a doc from provider for how to build an AMP stack!
4 cents. It's a journey!
'SoS', Ken
Since we're jabberwalking ... and have strayed away from original posters questions/issues .... may as well go with flow ...
Yes, can provide right out of your house ... been there done that. NoIP or similar, etc, etc., but those that do/try should be aware of this fact ... within one minute of any server getting on internet, that server has had it's first poke/probe. Game on!
One will learn a lot and in many areas not ever explored ... one area ... security/firewall, etc. which is an area normally handled well by providers, is now responsibility of the 'doer'. Your provider/ISP will take a dim view of whatever you set up becoming part of a bot network. Besides that, "typical" home connections not same as "business class". Could be ISP considers such a set up to be 'circumventing'.
But do go forth!
'SoS', Ken
It is not fair to bill the Jabberwocky to the OP's bill. I would say to remove the install folder in Softaculous took about 35 posts.
Yes, and hilariously, I've still not got an answer 😂 though I have learned loads of great stuff for which I thank everyone.
Now, I wonder where that folder is...😀
John
Well, no one has 'volunteered' so I'll do it publically ... so we can lay this to rest!
@John ... Don't know where this folder is located either but if you PM me the URL to your cPanel with your login crendtials, I'll take a look see.
BTW, @John and I have been conversing via direct EMail and he has some old git notes that I wrote up back when working on 1.9.x migrations to 2.x.
in the 'spirit of sharing', Ken
Hi Howard
Had a very useful response from SiteGround. They did a complete search across the whole site and could only find one install folder, which is the one created during the 'normal' moodle installation process - so there we have it: there's only one install folder.
So we are talking about the *same* install folder 😀
Uhhh ... Errrr ... it's not DOS but a node on a bot network - to which even thought to be secured provider servers are almost equal.
But ... like I said ... 'go forth'!
'SoS', Ken
Hey! I got a better idea ... collaborate ....
You give your cPanel creds to Rick and let him use your instance for a video on how to upgrade on the server!
Problem solved!
'SoS', Ken
Rick,
Similarly my server training/knowledge is minimal but that's what I appreciate the VPS for - they can do it for me. I have learned over time how to do a number of things (create databases, dumps, exports) but if I can't figure something out, I just ask them and problem solved. At least, that's what paying for their server management is for. This has been especially true since I knew how to use Cpanel to some degree and now have DirectAdmin after the whole licensing fee increase debacle a year or two ago. I haven't invested the time in learning DirectAdmin because I'm just maintaining a personal Moodle site for portfolio and practice purposes as am I not managing one for an organization at the moment.
I know not everyone wants to pay for a VPS or necessarily needs all that comes with one for a simple Moodle installation but it's one way to offset the lack of a particular skill set. I've always been in awe of certain expertise on the forum!
What Rick said 😀
For General Info
Using a new site for testing purposes, today I installed a fresh Moodle so that I could test the updating process using Softaculous.
Interestingly, no such message appears when doing the first install with Softaculous, it only appears when upgrading - go figure.
Very happy to collaborate with anyone but the idea of me, who knows next to nothing about cPanel, telling others what to do doesn't sit well with me at the moment anyway.
Am difinitely up for creating a video of details re upgrading without Softaculous though, if there's not a good one out there that somone here knows about
Thanks again
John
John a better reviewer ... am 'tainted'!
But ... since you asked ... some brief comments/suggestions ...
'twitch speed'.
path to php-cli?
web cron
* This file is best run from cron on the host system (ie outside PHP).
* It is strongly recommended to add password protection via admin settings.
*
* eg wget -q -O /dev/null 'http: *moodle.somewhere.edu/admin/cron.php?password=SeCreT666'
Is wget better than curl? A member of core coders once declared wget to be 'depreciated'.
put video in a moodle using HVP - can annotate, pause for 'twitch speed' corrections even do Zig Ziggler's 'check ups from the neck up' right in the video.
And next project ... how to upgrade ... wait until 2.9.0 is out!
'SoS' ... tainted ... Ken
You mean Roadmap for Moodle? and 3.9.x?
Think there is discussion/cussion about that taking place right now!
https://moodle.hpisd.org/mod/url/view.php?id=69175
IF you, however, are really brave, one could get a 3.9.dev release ... not for production ... install ... and 'have a ball'!
Think Rick should continue his videos with a follow up for upgrading 3.8.x to 3.9.0 when released.
Me ... I've already an 'upgrade' git CLI script ready and all I have to do to run it is edit and change the version number of Moodle. Takes no less than a couple of minutes.
Now my turn to ask a question ... both of you have a Mac and MAMP installed .. right? Did either of you check out the "UpdateMoodle38.sh" shell script in the MAMP application folder/directory?
Why not?
What you will see, one way to do a git side load and upgrade a Moodle in MAMP without having to download a new copy of MAMP ... just like using git on a server.
'SoS' Ken in trying to reduce 'CLAS'
See attached ...
doable only if one doesn't suffer from 'CLAS'
'command line avoidance syndrome'
'SoS', Ken
YIKES - that's on my homework list now - thank you so much
John
Ken, I don’t mind your feedback. You are a great reviewer, and as always, I appreciate your suggestions. But I am not sure if I understand all. I have begun a few extra posts so that I am not “hijacking” this one. They are:
I believe that some of your suggestions were about the Vimeo video that I posted, and possibly speed control. This is what caused me to create #1. I think you meant “H5P” instead of “HVP”, just as I understood that you want me to show how to upgrade to 3.9, and not 2.9.
Here is another way that I can provide this video:
Install Moodle on a VPS using cPanel
I have allowed people to download my video. Do you know anyone who can demonstrate exactly what you are suggesting by taking my video and creating an H5P component from it, and posting both the instruction and final result here on moodle.org? I am still new to H5P.
For #2, I have seen many ways of creating this cron line. What I show in my video works, is close to what the Moodle docs show, but there could be other better ways to do this.
Yes, “How to upgrade your Moodle” is on my list. Also, “How to prepare your VPS for Moodle” and “Some initial Moodle setup tasks,” and “How to migrate your Moodle.” Which of these seem most useful? (You can add others to this list, and maybe John or others will have some ideas, too.)
GoDaddy VPS isn't OVH VPS - you've made that point in slide and in audio.
You can tell 'em, tell 'em what you told 'em, and tell 'em again, but ...
Sometimes screen videos of live/in production servers show too much information.
Can't give you a frame reference in the video (which h5p - see corrected that) but
i see the url to your cPanel's PHPMyAdmin ... and port.
PHPMyAdmin is one of the most attacked apps on servers.
Don't need to help hackers any more than one has to.
Also see other databases ... moodle19 ... suggest moodle19 code might left on server.
Fine ... typo ... it's already been pointed out ... but ... corrected here.
h*5*p - note *'s are for emphasis!
With the video in h*5*p one could pause the video and provide an opportunity
for viewer to execute same on their server.
https://moodle.com/news/moodle-announces-h5p-integration/
Ok, have 'work to do' ....
'SoS', Ken
Again, Ken, thanks. I am eager to go fishing!
I actually have my old Moodle 1.9 and 2.7 databases on my server. I am running Tableau for visual analytics, and even though I can't run 1.9 or 2.7 on my server, and don't, the database data is still valuable and accessible to Tableau. So in Tableau, I can grab data back to the very first course where I used Moodle, which was Summer of 2008!
I will work on fixing the potential security issues. I think that you have recommended not to show the URL.
Follow up on h5p ... this just announced ...
H5P ... OER HUB coming
'facilitating global collaboration'
https://h5p.org/oer-hub-coming
'SoS', Ken
Would think online learning has to evolve and yes, means more work for author/teacher. The true value of time spent doing X is in learners performance/retention of new information.
Things like linear vids and powerpoints ... whatever ... might have their place still but don't forget there's a new generation of learners - now in and in future, who might not 'learn' like their parents did, etc.
2 cent thought.
'SoS', Ken
John, it is fine for anyone to use my videos, even your daughter. Feedback always welcomed. I would love to see your daughter become a better Moodle administrator than her father. 😍
Relative to your suggestion of showing “passage of time,” I don’t understand. I have fast connections. Everything always happens this quickly forme. You must have a slow Internet, server, computer, or fingers. Can’t you complete this install in 8 minutes? 😁 (See my Time Warped-Ed web page.)
Relative to unzipping and uploading the unzipped files: I didn’t do this in my video for a reason. You discovered the reason! Good work! Now do it the way that I show. Your daughter will probably get this step correct. 😉
Relative to the 4kb file size: I think that the 4kb that you see is the size of a “folder,” as Linux shows it, and not all of its internal contents.
The real question is "Did you have success manually installing a Moode on your VPS using cPanel?"
Hi Rick
"I would love to see your daughter become a better Moodle administrator than her father. 😍" - me too, I always want my children to be better than me at what we do, that way I know I've done the best job I can 😀
I used your video this morning rather than just watching it through and I completed a full installation quickly - no time lag at all.
In the past I've used FileZilla to upload to the installation folder and because I can't unzip using fileZilla (unless you know different of course ) the upload has taken quite some time. I was well pleased with the speed difference
Also checked the folder size and I see what you mean about that too
So in answer to your questions, yes, under 8 mins and yes I had great success manually installing a Moodle on my VPS using cPanel 😀
Thanks once again
John
PS re the TimeWarp videos, there seems to be a problem.
I clicked on the "Who is Dr.Jerz", got to Vimeo, started the video and only got as far as you saying "Hello" and no further, all I got was the loading circle. Same thing happened with the other one too so I downloaded it instead of playing it on Vimeo.
Tick-Tock
Next video project ... upgrade 3.8.x to 3.9.0 when released.
Using nothing but cPanel
Plus site backup (code/db dump/minimal moodedata/filedir) + plugins and themes
Wow! 8 minutes. So criteria has a new requirement ... 8 minute downtime on upgrade.
Tick-Tock
'SoS', Ken
Nothing special .. op has 3.8.x ... next version upwards is 3.9.0.
In keeping with the original request and criteria ... everything .... everything ... uhhh ... one more time everything ... done in cPanel.
Time ... from the time op decides to upgrade ... should include site backups, acquisition of updates to plugins installed - including themes ... through acquiring new 3.9.0 code + config.php back in, all plugins back in ... etc.
Again ... everything done in cPanel.
'SoS', Ken
Have never played the role of 'Director' ... on the 'set' or otherwise.
When it comes to screen videos one plays all roles.
Remember, the request was cPanel ... so nothing but!
'SoS', Ken
Should I remove the install folder?
Yes. You can if that is recommended by Softacolous.
There are several ways to install Moodle. Softacolous is easy but may cause problems later.
Alternatives are MoodleCloud which offers a free and paid service or a manual install on a server. Installing your own Moodle requires a significant amount of knowledge and time or the assistance of someone who knows what they are doing.
Up to 50 students use the Moodlecloud free account. With more students you need to weigh up the costs against your own time.
Whatever you do, be sure to have your course backed up and transferred to another computer every night. Doubly important if you continue with Softacolous.
Hi James,
Thanks very much for your clarification re the Moodle install folder.I thought that might be the case but really appreciate hearing it from somone who knows what they are doing
Re the upgrade process you outlined, that's what I used to do but switched over to using Softaculous because it is so easy.
However, given the responses I've had, there's obviously some jeopardy involved so I'm going to inveastigate, and hopefully find, the best, most efficient way to upgrade. Though I do wish there was a WordPress-style auto-updater
John
2 cents ... IF ... IF .. cPanel had the ability to run 'custom scripts' one could acquire an 'up' (to update the moodle code in series ... like 3.8.0 to 3.8.highest) or even 'upgrade' (like 3.8.highest to 3.9.x when it's released using git.
And ... those 'custom scripts' could also perform a backup of code and a DB dump just prior to up/upgrade.
But ... no such thing in cPanel.
That's where Softac tries to fill the hole ... unfortunately, the makers have their own take on how to update/upgrade. One user in these forums had issues with an upgrade until he discovered Softac, had moodledata in the code directory using hidden trick ... example: .moodledatawpshsls ... see the 'dot' in front of that example name? So when user did the directions from Moodle.org, which works for most folks, user found the .moodledataawpshsls moved it back into moodle code directory and site was able to upgrade.
Also, maybe site providers should offer more than cPanel or, supposedly the most popular of cPanels, Plesk ... and include an open sourced one called 'Webmin' ... which does have the ability to run 'custom commands' (scripts).
So what you seek is possible but ...
original moodle code would have to have been installed via git.
BTW, you might see a Git icon in your cPanel ... not the same thing ... that's for running your own repo of code ... uhhhh, I wouldn't care to do that ... am not a coder and don't plan to modify core code. Besides, Moodle already maintains a code repo and that's what one needs to use.
Now there is something to suggest to provider or to makers of commercial cPanel ... a git that you 'program' ... minimal - remote repo/versions + what directory on local server to use. Hmmmmm ... that addon would be worth the extra fee for it for users like yourself.
Soooooo ... who's to 'blame'?
'SoS', Ken
Hi ken
Another great and comprehensive response thanks. Am now investigating the best method to suit me and eventually my client
It sounds like git could be less complicated in the end because I could set it up and she could continue to use that without too much extra learning on her part. What do you think about that as a way forward?
John
Ps no blame, just learning 😁
Keys to responding .. 'suit me' ... 'eventually client'. If 'client' has CLI phobia then you'd continue to do the CLI stuff ... but one doesn't update nor upgrade all that often either ... so 'client' might never ever have to do CLI.
So going forward still kinda depends!
'SoS', Ken
hmmmm 🤔
Sent you a PM in Moodle here with a URL. Please check PM and the info in URL
It's about 'sideloading' (something Howard first shared many moons ago) a version 1.9.x. of Moodle code. You would have to adjust paths/locations and users (ownerships/permissions) according to your server setup.
Since your server has a Git icon in cPanel, would assume 2 things:
1. which git from CLI will locate the CLI git - shows path to git ... which means, if that path in your CLI environment you can use the second ...
2. you can use git:// protocol - if not, there is an alt method using https://
Do you have a Mac or Windows PC?
Should be able to install git locally on either and then tinker with CLI git on local platform before using on server. I have a MDLGITTEST folder on my desktop of this Mac and using terminal I tinker with using git.
Nothing guruish at first ... and I wouldn't worry about plugins/themes ... just core code.
'SoS', Ken
Twenty six posts on removing a "folder" (directory)? That is a handfull!
Yeah ... postings that 'jabberwalk' usually end up with a greater number.
Seems to be the nature of 'jabberwalking'.
But ... progress? Hopefully!
'SoS', Ken
Site access not really an error .. indicates firewall rule is working like it should. So please send (PM) your IP address as it would show to a server and I'll adjust FW so you can view.
'SoS', Ken
Hi all - well who'd have thought...
I have manually installed Moodle on other sites before with no problems - it's a relatively easy process as you all know.
However, I'm talking here about Upgrading.
I moved to using Softaculous so I could simplify the upgrading process - and I've had no problems on the 3 sites I've done that with. The only reason I made the move is that I find the upgrading process to be overly (but necessarily?) complicated. In particular the need to back up everything first (I know this is standard practice for any upgrade anywhere eg WordPress) and then download and upload via ftp, then running the upgrade installer.
I'd be more than happy not to use Softaculous if:
a) there were very clear instructions somewhere - I've read the upgrade instructions for Moodle and they are good but it's the prep bit I find problematic. If someone here can point me to a simple (even if I have to learn some new stuff) instructional video or written sequence I'm very happy to give it a go.
b) there was a WordPress-like upgrade process for Moodle - I can't be the only one who would love this, can I?
At some point I may have to hand over site admin tasks to others who are even less IT literate than I am, and it would be great if they had a straightforward process to follow without having to learn command line stuff.
Looking forward to reading your thoughts and advice
Very Best
John
Hi Howard
To be clear, I was not comparing Moodle with Wordpress. I know they are very different. What I was suggesting was a Wordpress-like update process after a full backup of course.
For info, the Softaculous upgrade process does what I want:
1. Offers to perform a full backup before upgrading
2. Performs the upgrade
However, I am taking heed of your (and others') warnings re Softaculous and will not be using it in the future.
In the past, I did not use Softaculous and went through the process you outline, including testing the upgrade on a test site first ( I also did that when upgrading via Softaculous). I'll be going back to that process now of course
I agree about the insanity of not doing a full backup before an upgrade on any site, not just a Moodle.
I also 'expect' to need a level of IT Literacy, which I have otherwise I wouldn't be here asking these questions.
Re the nature of the sites I'm maintaining, I limit plugins to the bare minimum (a good idea I think) mainly just a Certificate, although I do use a range of Themes based on Boost and including just Boost itself.
Am now going away to explore possibilities so wont be bothering folks any more over this.
Apologies to all for the 'drift'.
Thanks again for your help - much appreciated.
John
I too believe that there are no-problem Softaculouses. If each needed 34 posts just to remove the install folder, imagine the number of posts we have had here!
@moderator ... please move Barry's posting to a new thread so his question it's not buried/hidden in another thread. It deserves a thread of it's own - IMHO. (not advocacy).
@Barry ... Question ... where do you host?
Brief explanation as to why that question is significant ...
Hosting Providers: Site Ground is not Go Daddy is not Rackspace is not Digital Ocean is not OVH.
Panels provided by Providers: cPanel is not Plesk is not DirectAdmin is not Webmin
Accounts: share hosting (and any/all offered with that tag) isn't VPS (and any/all offered with that tag).
Where you host could have very good docs/tutorials, etc. ... but it would be specific to their hosting and maybe not specific to Moodle. IF one finds a doc/tutorial, many times it was for a version 2.x ... we're not in Kansas any more!
'SoS', Ken
Certainly thousands of ways. Including putting Moodle on an Android tablet......
But I have one way that always works for me. A CLI install on a barebones Debian based server. A server like that can be obtained from many providers or installed on a home server.
The Ubuntu step by step guide is an example of what I think is needed. Look at this:
sudo apt install apache2 mysql-client mysql-server php libapache2-mod-php
Maybe Monday this portion of thread moved to one of it's own. ;)
Bottom line ... tutorials/directions for a DIY Moodle doesn't 'fit' the Moodle Model/*official answer* ... cause that is 'host with Moodle Partner'.
A DIY (do it yourself is really wide open) ... attempts to document highly dependent upon hosting provider ... one could almost make that their 'life's work' considering the number of providers 'out there'.
Pay for a course? Not a dime if I've 'bought into' the concept of DIY! Besides ... once created they all would have to be revisited and updated to keep up with the changes - provider changes as well as moodle changes.
So let me muddy the waters some more to illustrate ... now if one doesn't read a little of each to get a sense, please don't comment on them (many times there are hidden 'golden nuggets' or 'fools gold').
Here goes ...
Might be worth a read before you begin:
https://elearninfo247.com/2014/08/15/moodle/
Providers ... have to begin with the horse ... not the cart!
Digital Ocean
https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-moodle-on-ubuntu-16-04
A one click wonder?
https://installatron.com/moodle/install
That's just installing ... looks great, but nothing stays at version X. Key to these 'one click wonders' is really in updating or upgrading but user won't know how well those perform in advance.
Bluehost
https://my.bluehost.com/hosting/help/mojomarketplace
Here's an old one:
https://www.onlearningpoint.com/moodle-install-bluehost-hosting-installing-rocket-theme/
A 2.2 Moodle
https://www.changedhost.com/bluehost-moodle/
Hostinger
https://www.hostinger.com/tutorials/how-to-install-moodle
HostGator
https://www.hostgator.com/help/article/moodle-and-php-versions
Next one is confusing
Site offers a way for user to compare ... this link found via Google cause someone saved it. Note: RS Managed Cloud could host a moodle ... but it is NOT a Moodle.
https://www.g2.com/compare/moodle-vs-rackspace-managed-cloud
Adobe - Articulate community!!?? ... discussion on Moodle!!!
https://community.articulate.com/discussions/building-better-courses/best-web-server-for-your-lms
Best Moodle Hosting?
https://www.whoishostingthis.com/compare/moodle/
Siteground
https://www.siteground.com/kb/how_to_install_moodle_on_my_account/
https://www.siteground.com/kb/category/other-applications-faq/moodle-faq/
'best'???
https://www.siteground.com/lms-hosting.html
In the 'spirit of confusion',
Ken
Change to subject line ... hey, that's a nice trick ... let's see if Google/other search engine picks it up.
About 'Craig Weiss Group' ... wasn't trying to be sarcastic ... but look at the date ... 2014 ... still thought some pro's/con's were valid and as I said ... some info 'golden nuggets' ... some 'fools gold' - especially from those that 'toot their own horn'!
See Barry has re-joined ... Softcareservers shared. Sounds like he is 'stuck' ... for now ... actually, just not enough 'motivation' yet.
Thanks for links ... see on hrdnz ... something in the 'fine print' that might be worthy of note ... maybe of interest to Barry ...
"If you have your own Moodle server we can provide remote management of your Moodle site, or act as a co-administrator for you.
So Moodle HQ has reached the goal of a MP on every continent ... closer to every nation now ... and some MP's are finding other 'nitches' like above.
Next 'frontiers' are officialy blessed/certified 'Moodle Champions (Advisors)' ... to compete with 'Groups' ... and officialy blessed/certified 'Moodle Independent Server Techs' ...
And so the 'spin' continues to 'morph'! ... and at a time when more and more research is putting online learning under microscopes.
'SoS', Ken
Okay thank you, I will take a look at some of these links you provided.
https://sos.sosoftexas.org/moodle38/course/view.php?id=59
Guest access allowed
NO USER Backup of course in course.
The most important command to learn is man.
'SoS', Ken
Looks like the makers of MAMP are catching onto using git.
Those on a Mac, open terminal in /Applications/MAMP/ and ls.
You'll see a UpdateMoodle38.sh file.
Cat it:
cat UpdateMoodle38.sh
and you'll see one way to do a side load of git enabling update to Moodle without having to do another MAMP install to upgrade.
Maybe Softac folks have 'borrowed', considering the suggestion to 'remove the install folder'.
'SoS', Ken
