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Who can pick up moodle-atto_drawing ?

 
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Who can pick up moodle-atto_drawing ?
 

Dear all,


Moodle 3.x is missing free working plugin for simple drawing. I asked on Moodle-Atto drawing

https://github.com/darrencocco/moodle-atto_drawing/issues/1


but the author can not continue the development. 

Please could some Moodle programmer pick this topic ?

I believe that many teachers would welcome drawing feature in editor so that students in essay questions can answer with hand-drawing of formulas, schemas etc,


Comments ?

 
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Re: Who can pick up moodle-atto_drawing ?
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I believe that many teachers would welcome drawing feature in editor so that students in essay questions can answer with hand-drawing of formulas, schemas etc,

Until that's done, you may want to look at the Poodll plugin. (not free).  It allows students to draw in the assignment.

 
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Pricing is the problem ( https://poodll.com/poodll-3/ ) : Individual Teacher $79*per year. 

Poor universities as is mine don't have money for such luxuries as payed Moodle plugins...

 
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I am using an older version of the plugin that was free - you might see if you can find an earlier version...

 
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I thought that the cost had to do with the fact that the video / drawings were stored on a remote server and you were paying for that storage space.  Do the older version store the video / drawings locally in moodle or some other way?

Melissa


 
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While the remote server may be part of the cost, its also the case that independent developers need to be able to make a living somehow smile

Many plugins are developed by (people working for) institutions or Moodle partners and are released, free, to the community. Others are made by independent developers, or people like myself in our free time, rather than as part of salaried employment. Sometimes those independent developers will feel able to release those plugins free, other times the development and ongoing support involved in a complex set of plugins (such as Poodl) means that the time and effort involved requires that the developer needs to make a charge. I think in this specific instance, the charge has come around as Poodl has grown, both in complexity and in usage, vastly increasing the development and support commitments involved - although Justin would be able to correct that impression if Im wrong.

I totally understand the fact that individual teachers, schools and other institutions sometimes find themselves in a position where they see a paid for plugin but don't want to/can't pay for it. The frustration below is not intended as a comment about those who CAN'T pay, but is something I've run up against more than once.

What frustrates me though is the times I have seen senior managers turn around and say something along the lines of 'Moodle is supposed to be free, we're not paying for plugin xyz', but then they go out and buy a similar functionality from an entirely separate commercial product, that wont - or work has to be done to enable it to - speak to Moodle! "Moodle is free, therefore we wont pay for plugins, but XYZ - well that's commercial anyway so we'll pay way more for it than we would have spent for the Moodle plugin"!

Richard

 
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Re: Who can pick up moodle-atto_drawing ?
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Poodll and me got mentioned. So I thought I would speak up.

To the original question:
Atto_sketch looks good, and it uses LiterallyCanvas which we also use in Poodll. So try that out. Be sure to choose "html editor with file picker" in the response type, so that it will accept a file upload (the whiteboard image).


About Poodll and drawing.
Poodll does support drawing and uses Literally Canvas OR DrawingBoard.js. Both support saving the vector data along with the raster data. That means that the student can continue editing where they left off, when they return to the question or assignment later. ie they can use the back button etc. And they support annotating over a background image.


About Poodll and going commercial. 

I definitely see the anomaly of commercial plugins amongst free moodle and open communities like Moodle.org. Poodll went commercial because it was very time consuming, though I loved it. At a particular crossroads I had to answer the question: "Is this a hobby, or a profession?"

Moodle had gone from 1.9 to 2.x to 3.x. With lots of rewrites and late nights. And then along came smart phones and Steve Jobs decided to kill Flash, and I had to decide ...do i rewrite mostly everything to support html5, or walk away. I tested the waters and took pre-orders for Poodll3 and a good handful of Moodlers came through. And that is how it went.

Poodll and Poodll users have benefited massively from going commercial. Its never been more reliable or supported so many platforms. And the improvements are ongoing. We are working hard to make it fully accessible and to support various data privacy laws etc. And I get to do what I love full time.

But its not the road for every plugin or developer, I know that. 


 
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Hi Miro, is this suitable for your need: https://moodle.org/plugins/atto_sketch

 
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Excellent ! This is exactly what I was looking for !

 
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Richard I understand completely what you are saying about being paid for

your work.  I agree with you (especially when a person is using the

software to make money -- commercial use), but I don't agree with the

subscription model where I have to pay every single year, ... year after

year after year after year, ... it becomes too much, especially if every

single product that I am using wants me to "rebuy" their product every

year.  Not to mention that if I ever decide I no longer want to pay/can

afford to pay, I lose all of my own personal work, because it is stuck in a

proprietary format.



With core functionality that poodll seems to be becoming, it would be the

same as having to pay a subscription for an oven every single year, and the

fridge,, and the washing machine, and the dryer ... I can't afford it.  But

do I expect the fridge, over, freezer, dryer companies to NOT be paid for

their hard work and development, of course not.



I personally never buy subscription software.  If I want a word processor,

I buy a full version.  If I want a game, I buy the full version.  The only

items that I buy subscriptions for related to education are "The Great

Courses", "Netflix", and "Enchanted Learning" -- all sites that provide

content (data) to me.  If it is me creating the content (data), and

somebody else providing the tool, no, I will not buy a subscription, but I

would pay for the tool.



I buy a hammer, but I don't expect that I will have the return the hammer

the following year, and then have to give to the hammer company everything

that I created with that hammer.



This is probably a discussion where we are both going to have to agree to

disagree.







On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Miro Iliaš (via Moodle.org) <
 
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Picture of Emma Richardson
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Actually, I think I will submit this as a project proposal to MUA.  I still have the old Poodll plugin that you did not have to pay for but totally agree that we need this functionality in core.  People should be able to submit drawings, audio and video recordings and teachers should be able to have the same functionality in their editor.  If you want to give me specifics of how you think that should look - it would be helpful...

 
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Picture of Miro Iliaš
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Hi Emma,

as teacher with limited resources I think it is sufficient to have only the drawing tool in Atto. 

Audio/video files eat too much disk space on the Moodle server, and for such files, I order students to open their own YouTube accounts and share (unlisted) videos via URL.  Likewise, academia is provided with Office 365 services, what is another possibility for storing students/teachers video/big files.

Best, Miro





 
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Understood but other teachers would benefit from a recording plugin - foreign language teachers for example.  It is also great for for video feedback.  But if it ends up being a huge budget and MUA can't fund it all, then it would be nice to have the option to just do the whiteboard.  Of course, it would have to be voted in to get done but I think it would bring some great new functionality.

 
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C'est moi :-)
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I confirm that recording audio is really important for language teachers!

 
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It is fairly rare that a hammer needs upgrading. We still have my great grandfathers hammer from the late 1899's. We did replace the head once and the handle twice though.

 
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Folks, when we are talking about money, please donate the guy few bucks ! Here , https://github.com/Syxton/atto_sketch/issues/1#issuecomment-323055976 , pointing to  https://www.paypal.me/syxton .

Long live Matthew Davidson and his code !

 
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Re: Who can pick up moodle-atto_drawing ?
 
Hi there Miro


My apologies i am new to these forums, my first time posting , im not a developer ,but assist in online course design and development.I am searching for tools mainly moodle drawing tools which could assist our language (Chinese) students practise character writing, and thats where Moodle-atto_drawing caught my attention . a drawing tool similar to paint ,where students using their cursor could practise their character writing skills. while being supervised by their peers or teacher . We have recently upgraded to Moodle 3.0 and was wondering if this tool works well with it or whats the staus of the plugin at the moment, and if you have any resources that can assist me weigh my options. or would you know any thread that exist that discuss this topic further.

hope for a favourable reply

Thanks

Ralph 

 
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Picture of Miro Iliaš
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Hi,

https://moodle.org/plugins/atto_sketch should work for Moodle 3.0-3.3, you can try.



 
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