Hello Gordon
Problem with find-It quiz in hotpot
I'm using the "Find-it" quiz with the hotpot module, but the findit-click-it version 3.2a reverts to a normal gapped cloze in moodle. I've tested it straight from the hotpot programme in my browser and it works fine, but it doesn't work in Moodle.
Is there a solution?
Thanks
Nyree
Hello Nyree,
the HotPot and TaskChain can handle files generated by the original Rottmeier output formats, 3.1.4a and 3.1.4b.
I have not come across the version you mention, 3.2a. Did you get it from Stan's site ?
Does the Find-It (a) activity display satisfactorily if you add it to Moodle using the jcl file as the "Source file", and then switch the "Output format" to "hp_6_jcloze_xml_findit_a" ? (see attached screenshot)
To your next post to this forum, please could you attach two files:
thanks
Gordon
Nyree - and hello Stan if you're listening
I had a look at the version 3.2a of Find-It (a), available from Stan's site. The Javascript doesn't seem hugely different from the version 3.1 of Find-It (a) that the HotPot and TaskChain modules use, so I don't see anything there that would cause problems such as you describe, i.e. "findit-click-it version 3.2a reverts to a normal gapped cloze in moodle"
However, there was slightly odd thing I noticed in the "jcloze6.js_" file. In the "Markup_Text()" function, there is a call to "Node.replaceNode(...)" around line 137. As far as I know, there is no "replaceNode()" method on DOM nodes. I think this is simply a typo, and should be changed to "Node.replaceChild(...)". The same typo exists in the "jcloze6.js_" file for Find-It (b) v3.2.
However, this typo won't affect your issue Nyree, because actually the HotPot/TaskChain modules completely replace the "Markup_Text()" function, so that it can detect clicks on individual incorrect words.
When I receive the JCL and HTML files from you, Nyree, I will investigate more thoroughly.
regards
Gordon
Hi Gordon, Nyree,
Sorry for the slow response.
I know that HotPot relies on the comment lines to replace (chunks of) the template. I might have reordered or deleted some incidentally. I'll investigate and let you know, but with me Find-it type 1 does work fine as "Best" format.
With permission from Michael Rottmeier I've modified and I host these new versions (hence the difference in version numbers). However, no major changes have been introduced.
cheers
Stan
Hi Stan,
thanks for clarifying that versions 3.2 of the FindIt output formats do not include any major changes from version 3.1, particularly in the javascript.
This page suggests that the "replaceNode()" method was once available in IE, but it is not avaiable in modern browsers, and in any case the use of "replaceNode()" in the FindIt output formats specifies two parameters, but the old "replaceNode()" in IE only used one parameter.
Therefore, I think the use of the "replaceNode()" in the FindIt output formats is simply a typing mistake that is left over from when this output format was created by Michael R. Only he can tell us for sure, but I believe it should be changed to "replaceChild()".
Since this output format has been working well for a long time, there is perhaps no need to change it, but FYI I have changed the templates used in the HotPot and TaskChain modules to change "replaceNode" to "replaceChild".
keep up the great work!
Gordon
Nyree,
thank you for supplying the HTML and JCL files to test on.
The HTML file generates an error message from the HotPot module:
Hint: you can see this error message if you set Moodle debugging (Site administration -> Development -> Debugging) to DEVELOPER level
In order to get your HTML file to be accepted by the HotPot module, you need to re-instate the following tags just before the closing body tag, </body>
<!-- BeginSubmissionForm -->
<!-- EndSubmissionForm -->
These tags were in the original Find-It (a) templates, but somehow they have been removed during the creation of your HTML file. If you put them back in, the file will display as expected in the HotPot module (see attached screenshot)
You can also add this activity to Moodle by using the JCL file as the source file for a HotPot activity, and then switching the output format to Findit (a). First, add the JCL file using the "Best" output format. As you have noticed, "Best" is the only available output format when you add a new HotPot, because at that point the server doesn't know what kind of file you are going to add. Then, once you have added the HotPot, go to the "Edit settings" page, and now you will see all the output formats that are available for JCL files, including the "Findit (a) from HP6 JCloze xml" that I mentioned earlier.
good luck!
Gordon
Thanks Gordon
Its working now
Thanks for identifying the problem and also explaining the initial lack of drop-down options. Its seems so simple when you know!
Nyree
