I have two courses with the same curriculum so I had them sign up into two groups by using an enrollment key. It worked fine so I thought it was all set.
Today when the first group submitted classwork, they could see all other submission from other students. I figure that this would be good had I had several groups in one class and they worked cooperatively but this is not what I want.
The only reason I wanted separate groups is that I have two classes to keep assignments for each class. All students in each group are working individually.
Within the assignment settings, I am guessing that that setting in the pic below is what I want to change but cannot as it is disabled in this screen. If this is not the remedy, who do I fix this?
If the fix is not here, then please tell me where to go.
I don't have an answer as to why that is disabled for you, but that setting means there is only one submission for the entire group. If students are in a group of five, one of them submits for the entire group. The other group members will see the submission. That is what it sounds like your students are seeing.
Strangely, I can go to another assignment, which was duplicated from the first, and I can switch that option off.....
Ach.... It was disabled because a project had been handed in "for the group".
Life is good again.
It looks to me like what you really want to do is create groups in the course. The groups setting in Assignments is designed to let students work together and, as you discovered, submit a project.
You are absolutely right and you are absolutely wrong. (:
I have yet to find a Moodle Doc (that does not mean to say that they don't exist) that tells me how to do something. They are good at telling me the theory but I rarely can work them without a significant amount of discovery and error.
I have designed my own pathfinder, basically a now-do-this paper, that walks through the process of creating groups and gives explanations and examples.
However, I have discovered something from fixing this problem.
I am sure that I will be corrected if I am wrong but it
looks to me that for all settings in an assignment, and probably for all resources,
that other than within the Restrict Access option, all references to "Groups"
should actually say "Groupings". No?
realized this and corrected the settings, I stopped getting all kinds of weird results. All of these have nothing to do with Groups at all.
What’s up wit dat?
From this experience, I wonder why the term "Groupings" was used when something like "Cluster" or even "Sub-Group" would have been far less confusing.
Well, you're having it both ways, eh? I'm right and wrong
Groups can belong to Groupings. A Grouping can hold as many groups as you want it to.
I've found that some activities will *only* have Groupings. For instance, an external link has no provision for groups, but can be set to work for a specific Grouping. To do this I make Group A and put it in Grouping A.
But Assignments will work with just groups. In the course settings, under "Groups," I choose separate groups in the drop down and Force group mode set to yes. All activities that work with groups then do not show each group's activities to each other. Students in Group A cannot see the submissions of other students in that group. But also, Group submission in the assignment is set to No.
Group submission is relatively new to Moodle, and I wish HQ had thought about the confusion two meanings of "groups" would cause.
And, if you really want to get psychedlic, try grokking "cohorts."
"Groups can belong to Groupings. A Grouping can hold as many groups as you want it to."
So you like it both ways too. The first statement seems to contradict the second. Maybe they are BiConceptuals. (:
To help the logic, I use uppercase for names of groups and lower case for names of groupings.
Still, groups and clusters with have been better...
I use all uppercase for groups as well because we use a csv file to upload students and the group name is all caps.
"Groups *can* belong to Groupings," but they don't need to belong if you don't have any activities where you don't have the groups option.
Groupings *can* hold as many groups as you want. So, for a link to a course schedule, one of my groupings holds the groups that are using that schedule. Each group is taught by a different instructor, though they are all on the same schedule.
I agree that there is confusion between groups and groupings. I posted my problem in another post, but will repeat it here in the hopes someone will solve my problem.
I have groups for particular assignments for particular days. I only want students in those groups to see the assignment for them so as not to confuse the other students in the class. And I only want students in those groups to be the only ones I see in order to post marks.
But Moodle makes it awfully cumbersome to do this as one has to First create a Group of specific students and then create a grouping that includes only the Group I have already created! I am not able to create a Group of specific students and then create separate groups in the assignment module that specify only that Group.(ie in the assignment module it only recognizes groupings not Groups!) Why create a duplicate task? Is there any way around this problem?
It's actually very simple to say:
You can assign an activity to all groups or one grouping.
A grouping contains one or more groups. You cannot assign an activity to just ONE of the groups in a course without using a grouping.
Check out the tracker item here: https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-28082
Everyone (even people who don't teach with Moodle) realises this is clunky.
I am not able to create a Group of specific students and then create separate groups in the assignment module that specify only that Group.(ie in the assignment module it only recognizes groupings not Groups!)
Why create a duplicate task?
Thank you. Since I am a mere user, I have sent the tracker URL to our moodle tech people. Hopefully they can apply the patch. (Can one use the patch with moodle 2.8?).
Hope someone fixes the issue in a new version of moodle as it is an absurd duplication that should be corrected as this is how most professors I know use groups.
Before considering patches, you should try 'Restricted Access'. Restricted access may not have been turned on for your site, but it's easy for a site administrator to do without making any modifications to code. It's under Site administration > Advanced features > Enable restricted access. With restricted access on, go to the settings page for an activity and you will find a new settings section called "Restrict access". Open that and click "Add restriction", then click "Group" and set the group who gets to see the activity. You can add other restrictions while you are there, including adding more than one group. This works in 2.8, though later versions have additional logic that lets you set various clever kinds of combinations. I don't think you need the patch.