Actually it is not about the change. What I am complaining about is that there was nothing wrong with how it worked before if there needed to be some report then fine put that in - leave the rest alone. I am fine with change - I am NOT fine with taking something that worked and making it worse. It seems there was ZERO thought process in this.
But what I need are the tools to grade and that has been removed. What I have been taught now - as to how to grade in this new moodle makes my job three times harder and longer and it makes it a disconnected process instead of a connected process.
Here is what I need. I need to be able to go into a forum and grade that forum only. In that forum I need to be able to see each student and the number and the context of their posts - all collectively. I need a window to post a grade and I need a box to make comments.
Is that still there? No. There is NO way to make comments even... the Moodle video I saw suggested we post ON the board... that is not private.
My understanding - and as I said I have not been told of a workaround yet - so maybe it is there and I have not found it... But I am being TAUGHT that to grade a forum I have to go into each POST and I will see the grade drop down and I will grade from each post - so if my student posts TEN TIMES I get ten drop downs for those posts. And I see only the posts - by POST not by student. WHich means It is all disjointed. So under a post I could have ONE post by the first student and TEN students responses... I cannot see that the first student never responded anywhere.... I do not get to KNOW that... BUT so far NO WHERE can I see in ONE spot ALL of ONE students POSTs and ONLY for that forum.
This is a serious problem. I need to be able to see how ONE student is doing in ONE area. I do not want to have to hunt and find where ONE student posted responses. I do not want to have to GO out of the forum and into participants - that created extra steps for me... I do not appreciate someone making my job HARDER that annoys the hell out of me.
It is the same as if someone does you a favor and then makes MORE work for you... that is no favor and so far for this Board issue - they ruined something that was good and made if really THREE times more time consuming.
I am hearing that I have to go into the students and will then see ALL the posts for the entire semester - really going to suck at the end of a semester to have to deal with all that.
Not sure what you are referring to writing a report and putting it somewhere else... but this is about grading and reading the posts and being able to make judgments about ONE students work. It is a VERY disjointed and time consuming process now.
it is a VERY VERY valid complaint.
Show me some way to do what I need to do with limited clicking. I welcome assistance.
The other thing I need to have is MY original board post - to see if they hit the prompt. I need to have access to that along with all the other things I mentioned. They were ALL there - why change it and take things like that away... it makes no sense.
Just as I can go into the the ONE assignment and grade that ONE assignment I need the discussion boards and the work SELF CONTAINED to be able to grade it.
I need it self contained by student and by forum. I need to be able to grade AND give feedback.
They took out the feedback feature. That is completely gone - there is NO private feedback feature.
So in my two or three boards a week - I cannot offer any feedback except to go to email.... That is INSANE... I have to open email - and then explain which board post I am talking about - and then explain the issue... instead of it being right there....
I am complaining because they truly RUINED something good and removed things that I needed and were valued.
So I have a board post where they students did excellent... back and forth conversation and working together etc... but now a nightmare to grade. I was basically grading BLIND. I cannot see what they did for the whole board - posts and responses and I had NO way to comment.
The board is now pretty much useless to me.
it is disjointed at best. I do not know how to better explain it.
It is a writing class they do peer review and ALL rough draft type work on the board - and I cannot see ALL the work of one student... I cannot give comments...
Does Moodle what good pedagogy is for online learning? Do they know what best practices dictates for online learning? clearly they do not or they would know how VITAL a discussion board is to online learning.
Oh and here is the real kicker - why it is three times longer
SO I go into the post to grade... and I have to hit the drop down menu each time I see a student... now that student Might have posted responses ten times but only TWO responses count - HOW do I keep track of that? I cannot - so while the system will only allow the max points I have given for the assignment - I cannot keep track of who I graded so I just hit the drop down... five points here four points there... so I am replicating grading someone who might have already hit their allotment of points... and yet - to be safe I need to keep grading because out of 20 or 30 students that one could have in a class I will not remember if Suzie hit all her responses...
Does that make sense? I am grading unnecessarily sometimes. And while the old Moodle I would have been able to SEE all that one persons posts in one place I could see that Suzie did a short response to one person but the two substantial responses to other people. Instead in new Moodle I will be wasting my time placing a grade on them ALL.
So say that student gets 1 point for the one sentence... and then say they did FIVE times - one sentence and I gave ONE point for each because I cannot track how many times they did one liners... that should mean that person should only get ONE point for a five point response... but if they posted FIVE times with one line the system - might (not sure yet) add up all those five points so that student THINKS they are getting all the points for those one liners...when in fact if I could make comments I could say you are getting ONE point because your post is not substantial enough.
So NO mister - whoever you are jumping to conclusions that I am complaining because I do not like change... I am complaining because I have VERY VALID complaints and that MOODLE screwed this one up - badly. I only hope I can find a backend way to get into grade more appropriately.
You do what I do - three boards a week and then try grading it in this disjointed fashion... good luck. You would be just as pissed off as I am.
Once I am done grading this STUPID way then to see what each student go I have to go into the grade book - see the total they received and then if I need to make a comment - if I give a crap about the learning process - I would then have to EMAIL them to give them a private comment.
What Moodle did so far appears very ignorant and not well thought-out.
SO PLEASE someone tell me or find me a backend way to grade this appropriately.